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[noirua]

Netanyahu tells ministers he’s disbanding war cabinet, amid Ben Gvir’s demands to join

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The dissolution was anticipated, as far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir has been lobbying to be added to the forum.

 

[orr]

I did find that interesting. I had heard that Australia was being scouted for a Jewish state at one time. Perhaps there was some soft diplomacy between them at an earlier stage.

Just so we are on the same pg here Mox as to who those protesters were in 38. Because these were a group never in the position of power to negotiate seeding territory of the continent.
But they knew few things about disposession.

Aboriginal Protest Against Jewish Persecution | Monument Australia

<p>The plaque commemorates a resolution that an Aboriginal delegation attempted to present to the German consul general in Melbourne in 1938.</p> <p>The December 1938 resolution was taken by the Australian Aborigines` League (AAL) to the doors of the German Consulate in Melbourne in the wake of...

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[moXJO]

Just so we are on the same pg here Mox as to who those protesters were in 38. Because these were a group never in the position of power to negotiate seeding territory of the continent.
But they knew few things about disposession.

Aboriginal Protest Against Jewish Persecution | Monument Australia

<p>The plaque commemorates a resolution that an Aboriginal delegation attempted to present to the German consul general in Melbourne in 1938.</p> <p>The December 1938 resolution was taken by the Australian Aborigines` League (AAL) to the doors of the German Consulate in Melbourne in the wake of...

monumentaustralia.org.au

Yes, I believe the Kimberley plan was around the same time (1935-38). I believe they would have been exposed to some kind of kindness from the Jewish delegates at the time.

If you look at today we have Jewish organisations at the forefront of land reconciliation.

 

[sptrawler]

On the subject of disposession, we may all get a taste of it, if we can't get anyone to join tge armed forces to protect the place.

 

[IFocus]

Yes, I believe the Kimberley plan was around the same time (1935-38). I believe they would have been exposed to some kind of kindness from the Jewish delegates at the time.

If you look at today we have Jewish organisations at the forefront of land reconciliation.

A lot of the dispossessed Kimberly Aboriginals ended up in arm, leg and neck chains sent to Rottnest in the cold south to die.

Aboriginal Rock Art in the Kimberleys is dated to 45 thousand years old.

Unbelievable anyone defending Jewish rights to Palestine and then no doubt voting no...

 

[Dona Ferentes]

One senior Hamas government employee told the BBC that the Hamas attacks were “a crazy, uncalculated leap”.

He asked that we concealed his identity.

“I know from my work with the Hamas government that it prepared well for the attack militarily, but it neglected the home front,” he said.

“They did not build any safe shelters for people, they did not reserve enough food, fuel and medical supplies. If my family and I survive this war, I will leave Gaza, the first chance I get.”

... please don't come here.

 

[investor13]

I did find that interesting. I had heard that Australia was being scouted for a Jewish state at one time. Perhaps there was some soft diplomacy between them at an earlier stage.

i havent heard that one but, possibly be true, i know in the 30s nazi germany wanted to relocat the jewish people from Europe to Madagascar, as thery were deemed a problem in europe and over the past several hundard years had been banned from european countries, call it semitism but when its from counteriesa of different cultures and a continued pattern there has to be a reason such events continue to happen.

Expulsions and exoduses of Jews - Wikipedia

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The Madagascar Plan was a proposal for Jewish settlement devised by the Nazi regime in the late 1930's. On December 9, 1938, French Foreign Minister Georges Bonnet informed German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop that in order to rid France of 10,000 Jewish refugees it would be necessary to ship them elsewhere. At that time, the Nazi regime considered mass emigration to be

The Madagascar Plan

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

 

[moXJO]

i havent heard that one but, possibly be true, i know in the 30s nazi germany wanted to relocat the jewish people from Europe to Madagascar, as thery were deemed a problem in europe and over the past several hundard years had been banned from european countries, call it semitism but when its from counteriesa of different cultures and a continued pattern there has to be a reason such events continue to happen.

Expulsions and exoduses of Jews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Madagascar Plan was a proposal for Jewish settlement devised by the Nazi regime in the late 1930's. On December 9, 1938, French Foreign Minister Georges Bonnet informed German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop that in order to rid France of 10,000 Jewish refugees it would be necessary to ship them elsewhere. At that time, the Nazi regime considered mass emigration to be

The Madagascar Plan

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

It's true. The PM shot it down at the time

 

[investor13]

It's true. The PM shot it down at the time

is there any more dfetails of the proposel?

 

[moXJO]

is there any more details of the proposel?

Kimberley plan

 

[sptrawler]

It's a bit of a shame the MP had to quit the Labor party over the conflict, seems a big call that someone has to choose, maybe conscience voting should be tolerated in certain circumstances.
I guess that's politics.

Accusations, intimidation and resignation: Senator Fatima Payman quits Labor

Rebel senator Fatima Payman has quit the Labor Party after creating a political firestorm with her decision to vote against the government over recognising Palestinian statehood.

www.smh.com.au

Rebel senator Fatima Payman has quit the Labor Party after creating a political firestorm over her decision to vote against the government over recognising Palestinian statehood, amid the ongoing conflict in Gaza.

The pro-Palestinian MP announced her resignation in Parliament House’s Mural Hall on Thursday afternoon, just as question time began. She said she will sit on the Senate crossbench as an independent.

 

[wayneL]

It's a bit of a shame the MP had to quit the Labor party over the conflict, seems a big call that someone has to choose, maybe conscience voting should be tolerated in certain circumstances.
I guess that's politics.

Accusations, intimidation and resignation: Senator Fatima Payman quits Labor

Rebel senator Fatima Payman has quit the Labor Party after creating a political firestorm with her decision to vote against the government over recognising Palestinian statehood.

www.smh.com.au

Rebel senator Fatima Payman has quit the Labor Party after creating a political firestorm over her decision to vote against the government over recognising Palestinian statehood, amid the ongoing conflict in Gaza.

The pro-Palestinian MP announced her resignation in Parliament House’s Mural Hall on Thursday afternoon, just as question time began. She said she will sit on the Senate crossbench as an independent.

I don't recall there being a ministry for foreign Islamism in the Australian government?

 

[moXJO]

How did she get in as WA senator?
I didn't think it was a big Muslim community over there.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

How did she get in as WA senator?
I didn't think it was a big Muslim community over there.

Muslims like their women to have careers.

1681 primary votes on the ALP ticket in WA... smacks of tokenism?

 

[wayneL]

How did she get in as WA senator?
I didn't think it was a big Muslim community over there.

There are a lot. Don't know the percentage but if you walk around *some of the big suburban shopping centres, they are predominant. I would say mostly peaceful and fairly friendly, but there it is.

 

[IFocus]

Worth a read before judgement, IMHO good on her for standing up for her heritage also well educated.



Fatima Payman (Dari pronunciation: [fɑː.t̪ʰɪ.mǽ pʰäj.mɑ́ːn]; born 1995)[2] is an Afghan-born Australian politician[3] who has served as senator for Western Australia since 2022.[4] Initially representing the Labor Party, she became the Australian Parliament's first hijab-wearing Muslim woman after being elected in the 2022 federal election.[5] On 30 June 2024, Payman was indefinitely suspended from the Labor caucus after crossing the floor to support an Australian Greens resolution to recognise a Palestinian state.[6] On 4 July 2024, Payman quit the Labor Party to sit as an independent.[7]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatima_Payman#cite_note-9

Early life and education[edit]​

Payman's grandfather was a member of parliament in Afghanistan.[8]

Fatima Payman was born in Kabul, Afghanistan in 1995[9][10] the eldest of four children,[5] and fled the Taliban for Pakistan with her family when she was five years old.[3] Her father arrived in Australia via boat in 1999 and spent time in immigration detention, after which he worked as a security guard, kitchen hand and taxi driver, so he could afford to sponsor the migration of his wife and four children. The rest of the family arrived in Australia in 2003, when she was eight, and settled in Perth.[11] Once in Australia, her mother started a business giving driving lessons.[11] In 2018, her father died of leukemia.[11]

Payman graduated from the Australian Islamic College Perth, where she was head girl, in 2013.[12] She studied pharmacy, planning to head towards medicine, but instead got involved in politics.[13] She has a Bachelor of Arts in anthropology and sociology and a Graduate Diploma of Pharmaceutical Sciences.[14]

Political career[edit]​

Payman joined the United Workers Union in 2018 as an organiser[3] and was also president of Young Labor WA, both organisations she joined due to the exploitation she saw her father experience in various jobs.[13] She has also worked as a program coordinator at the Edmund Rice Centre WA and as electorate officer for Pierre Yang.[14] She is a board member of the Australian Islamic College.[15]

2022 election[edit]​

Payman was third on the Labor Party's ticket for the Senate at the 2022 Australian federal election and thus not expected to win a seat. She intended to use the 2022 election campaign as "practice" before seriously running in 2025.[13]

Payman was naturalised as an Australian citizen in 2005, although this did not automatically revoke her Afghan citizenship. As Section 44 of the Constitution of Australia requires all candidates to be a citizen of Australia only, she approached the Afghanistan embassy in Australia in October 2021 to renounce her Afghan citizenship. The embassy advised her that they could not finalise the renunciation because it had no contact with the new Taliban government that seized control of the country in August. The Labor Party received legal advice that Payman was nevertheless still eligible to be elected, as she had taken all reasonable steps to renounce her Afghan citizenship, noting that the Afghan Embassy in Australia did not even know whether the various departments and officers who would be tasked with processing her application in Kabul even exist following the takeover of Afghanistan by the Taliban.[16]

At the 2022 Australian federal election, Payman won the sixth and final Senate vacancy after a swing of 6.92% to Labor and a 9.24% swing against the Liberal party in Western Australian Senate voting.[4] Her election was the first time the ALP won three Senate seats in WA since the Senate had been expanded in 1984.[17] Elected at age 27, she is third youngest Senator in Australian history and is currently the youngest serving Senator.[4][13] She has said her priorities include "getting more people from diverse backgrounds involved in politics, improving early childhood education, and climate change".[4] She has also said she wants to "normalise hijab wearing".[3] In 2022, Payman was awarded "Australian Muslim Role Model of the Year"

 

[SirRumpole]

It's a bit of a shame the MP had to quit the Labor party over the conflict, seems a big call that someone has to choose, maybe conscience voting should be tolerated in certain circumstances.
I guess that's politics.

That's the problem with religious people in Parliament, they end up rerpresenting their religion rather than their constituents.

2.5% of the WA population is Muslim, so she is representing a tiny minority, and the majority of people who voted Labor will rightly think that they have been dudded.

 

[moXJO]

There are a lot. Don't know the percentage but if you walk around *some of the big suburban shopping centres, they are predominant. I would say mostly peaceful and fairly friendly, but there it is.

Afghans?
It would make sense after the mess with the withdrawal of US troops.

 

[moXJO]

Worth a read before judgement, IMHO good on her for standing up for her heritage also well educated.



Fatima Payman (Dari pronunciation: [fɑː.t̪ʰɪ.mǽ pʰäj.mɑ́ːn]; born 1995)[2] is an Afghan-born Australian politician[3] who has served as senator for Western Australia since 2022.[4] Initially representing the Labor Party, she became the Australian Parliament's first hijab-wearing Muslim woman after being elected in the 2022 federal election.[5] On 30 June 2024, Payman was indefinitely suspended from the Labor caucus after crossing the floor to support an Australian Greens resolution to recognise a Palestinian state.[6] On 4 July 2024, Payman quit the Labor Party to sit as an independent.[7]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatima_Payman#cite_note-9

Early life and education[edit]​

Payman's grandfather was a member of parliament in Afghanistan.[8]

Fatima Payman was born in Kabul, Afghanistan in 1995[9][10] the eldest of four children,[5] and fled the Taliban for Pakistan with her family when she was five years old.[3] Her father arrived in Australia via boat in 1999 and spent time in immigration detention, after which he worked as a security guard, kitchen hand and taxi driver, so he could afford to sponsor the migration of his wife and four children. The rest of the family arrived in Australia in 2003, when she was eight, and settled in Perth.[11] Once in Australia, her mother started a business giving driving lessons.[11] In 2018, her father died of leukemia.[11]

Payman graduated from the Australian Islamic College Perth, where she was head girl, in 2013.[12] She studied pharmacy, planning to head towards medicine, but instead got involved in politics.[13] She has a Bachelor of Arts in anthropology and sociology and a Graduate Diploma of Pharmaceutical Sciences.[14]

Political career[edit]​

Payman joined the United Workers Union in 2018 as an organiser[3] and was also president of Young Labor WA, both organisations she joined due to the exploitation she saw her father experience in various jobs.[13] She has also worked as a program coordinator at the Edmund Rice Centre WA and as electorate officer for Pierre Yang.[14] She is a board member of the Australian Islamic College.[15]

2022 election[edit]​

Payman was third on the Labor Party's ticket for the Senate at the 2022 Australian federal election and thus not expected to win a seat. She intended to use the 2022 election campaign as "practice" before seriously running in 2025.[13]

Payman was naturalised as an Australian citizen in 2005, although this did not automatically revoke her Afghan citizenship. As Section 44 of the Constitution of Australia requires all candidates to be a citizen of Australia only, she approached the Afghanistan embassy in Australia in October 2021 to renounce her Afghan citizenship. The embassy advised her that they could not finalise the renunciation because it had no contact with the new Taliban government that seized control of the country in August. The Labor Party received legal advice that Payman was nevertheless still eligible to be elected, as she had taken all reasonable steps to renounce her Afghan citizenship, noting that the Afghan Embassy in Australia did not even know whether the various departments and officers who would be tasked with processing her application in Kabul even exist following the takeover of Afghanistan by the Taliban.[16]

At the 2022 Australian federal election, Payman won the sixth and final Senate vacancy after a swing of 6.92% to Labor and a 9.24% swing against the Liberal party in Western Australian Senate voting.[4] Her election was the first time the ALP won three Senate seats in WA since the Senate had been expanded in 1984.[17] Elected at age 27, she is third youngest Senator in Australian history and is currently the youngest serving Senator.[4][13] She has said her priorities include "getting more people from diverse backgrounds involved in politics, improving early childhood education, and climate change".[4] She has also said she wants to "normalise hijab wearing".[3] In 2022, Payman was awarded "Australian Muslim Role Model of the Year"

Her father came by boat and was in the detention centre. So in one generation she is in the Senate with dual citizenship.
Mixed feelings about that.

Well done to her and a fantastic effort for the family.

Politically it feels like a DEI hire. Are you really doing the best thing for Australians only one generation in. How tied are you to the country?
Yeah I do have a problem with religion influencing our policies and politics.

 

[basilio]

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Israeli weapons packed with shrapnel causing devastating injuries to children in Gaza, doctors say​

Surgeons who worked in European and al-Aqsa hospitals describe extensive wounds caused by ‘fragmentation’ shrapnel experts say is designed to maximize casualties

Chris McGreal
Thu 11 Jul 2024 21.00 AESTLast modified on Fri 12 Jul 2024 07.29 AEST

Israeli-made weapons designed to spray high levels of shrapnel are causing horrific injuries to civilians in Gaza and disproportionately harming children, foreign surgeons who worked in the territory in recent months have told the Guardian.

The doctors say many of the deaths, amputations and life changing wounds to children they have treated came from the firing of missiles and shells – in areas crowded with civilians – packed with additional metal designed to fragment into tiny pieces of shrapnel.

Volunteer doctors at two Gaza hospitals said that a majority of their operations were on children hit by small pieces of shrapnel that leave barely discernible entry wounds but create extensive destruction inside the body. Amnesty International has said that the weapons appear designed to maximise casualties.

Feroze Sidhwa, a trauma surgeon from California, worked at the European hospital in southern Gaza in April.

“About half of the injuries I took care of were in young kids. We saw a lot of so-called splinter injuries that were very, very small to the point that you easily missed them while examining a patient. Much, much smaller than anything I’ve seen before but they caused tremendous damage on the inside,” he said.

Weapons experts said the shrapnel and wounds are consistent with Israeli-made weapons designed to create large numbers of casualties unlike more conventional weapons used to destroy buildings. The experts question why they are being fired into areas packed with civilians.

Israeli weapons packed with shrapnel causing devastating injuries to children in Gaza, doctors say

Surgeons who worked in European and al-Aqsa hospitals describe extensive wounds caused by ‘fragmentation’ shrapnel experts say is designed to maximize casualties

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