Israel - Palestine

[The Triangle]

Ireland, Spain and Norway to recognise Palestinian state

Irish PM declares ‘unequivocal support’ for two-state solution, as Israel recalls ambassadors from Dublin, Madrid and Oslo

www.theguardian.com

All these countries rush to declare a terrorist state which is run by a kleptocratic lunatic mob a country, yet also believe Taiwan is a non-existent country? Funny really. Terrorism wins. Rape and murder some civilians, use your kids as human shields, and you get what you want.

I'm surprised these leaders didn't announce this on a CNN interview with Christiane Amanpour - I thought that was the new diplomatic norm.

 

[wayneL]

Ireland, Spain and Norway to recognise Palestinian state

Irish PM declares ‘unequivocal support’ for two-state solution, as Israel recalls ambassadors from Dublin, Madrid and Oslo

www.theguardian.com

All these countries rush to declare a terrorist state which is run by a kleptocratic lunatic mob a country, yet also believe Taiwan is a non-existent country? Funny really. Terrorism wins. Rape and murder some civilians, use your kids as human shields, and you get what you want.

I'm surprised these leaders didn't announce this on a CNN interview with Christiane Amanpour - I thought that was the new diplomatic norm.

Couldn't find a link to send the Guardian a message, viz GFY.

 

[Captain_Chaza]

Don't watch the Docu/ Movie on U tube " Screams before Silence "
It is too Horrific to post on this site
There is no wonder why Israel will not stop this War against Hamas until they are ALL GONE from this planet

 

[Dona Ferentes]

The world should be informed that Shani Louk’s body was found dumped in a tunnel in an UNRWA building in Gaza.

 

[wayneL]

The world should be informed that Shani Louk’s body was found dumped in a tunnel in an UNRWA building in Gaza.

Yep, and some pretty graphic video from 7/10 circulating ATM. Awful stuff.

 

[orr]

'Khartoum'
Charlton Heston plays the heroicly latent homosexual Christain fundamentalist General Gordon in his vain gloriuous colonial last stand agianst the religious fanatic, Mohammed Ahmed el Mahdi (Sir Laurence Olivier).( all blacked up ' yet again') in the 1966 dramatization of yet another epic British Imperial failure... ahh what zelotry can do to inform us all.

And so now to Bibbi and Ismail haniyah....

 

[The Triangle]

Hamas launches rocket attack towards Tel Aviv area

Hamas fires rockets towards the Tel Aviv area in central Israel for the first time in months.

www.bbc.com

Hamas says it has launched a rocket attack towards the Tel Aviv area in central Israel for the first time in nearly four months.

At least eight rockets were launched from the Rafah area in southern Gaza and several were intercepted, the Israeli military says. No injuries have been reported.

That's from BBC a few minutes ago. Meanwhile the ICC says Israel needs to get out of Rafah. Hilarious. The ICC has proven why is should have zero credibility. If you get bombed you cannot retaliate? If Hamas formed a proper army and used proper army bases then Israel would wipe them out in 5 minutes. They hide among civilians to stay alive (I would too). Those civilians know it and are defacto soldiers. If you aid and abet you are just as guilty.

 

[wayneL]

Not so far off topic. Fwiw Connelly is a good Catholic boy.

 

[finicky]

you've had your pound of flesh.
Where do you draw the line between revenge and gratification?

Surprised at you. Do you think they are sacrificing soldiers lives and earning the reprehension of world moral giants like Albo and Wong for "gratification" or even "revenge"? The goal is the permanent destruction of Hamas.

 

[sptrawler]

Surprised at you. Do you think they are sacrificing soldiers lives and earning the reprehension of world moral giants like Albo and Wong for "gratification" or even "revenge"? The goal is the permanent destruction of Hamas.

Big job, how many times have fanatical groups been completely destroyed, ISIS, Iran etc, like I said big job and it only becomes a matter of time before the locals take sides.
Then the problem never goes away, IMO Israel needs to work out where the line is, there is a point where Hamas will never recover and the population will never support them for fear of reprocussions, once it goes past that line then the whole population will turn on Israel and support Hamas.
It is a very risky game to completely destroy the enemy, when the enemy doesn't wear a uniform, as the U.S found out in the middle East and Afghanistan.
When this is all over, they still have to live next to each other.
Fortunately I don't have any link to either Country, for those that do it must be a stressfull time.

 

[basilio]

How the Israelis used AI to target and kill every possible Hamas suspect (no matter how junior) plus their family for good measure.

With no questions asked.
A long story and very painful to read. It is fearsome.

Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in Gaza​

The Israeli army has marked tens of thousands of Gazans as suspects for assassination, using an AI targeting system with little human oversight and a permissive policy for casualties, +972 and Local Call reveal.​

By Yuval Abraham April 3, 2024

In partnership with

In 2021, a book titled “The Human-Machine Team: How to Create Synergy Between Human and Artificial Intelligence That Will Revolutionize Our World” was released in English under the pen name “Brigadier General Y.S.” In it, the author — a man who we confirmed to be the current commander of the elite Israeli intelligence unit 8200 — makes the case for designing a special machine that could rapidly process massive amounts of data to generate thousands of potential “targets” for military strikes in the heat of a war. Such technology, he writes, would resolve what he described as a “human bottleneck for both locating the new targets and decision-making to approve the targets.”

Such a machine, it turns out, actually exists. A new investigation by +972 Magazine and Local Call reveals that the Israeli army has developed an artificial intelligence-based program known as “Lavender,” unveiled here for the first time. According to six Israeli intelligence officers, who have all served in the army during the current war on the Gaza Strip and had first-hand involvement with the use of AI to generate targets for assassination, Lavender has played a central role in the unprecedented bombing of Palestinians, especially during the early stages of the war. In fact, according to the sources, its influence on the military’s operations was such that they essentially treated the outputs of the AI machine “as if it were a human decision.”


..... The following investigation is organized according to the six chronological stages of the Israeli army’s highly automated target production in the early weeks of the Gaza war.

First, we explain the Lavender machine itself, which marked tens of thousands of Palestinians using AI.

Second, we reveal the “Where’s Daddy?” system, which tracked these targets and signaled to the army when they entered their family homes.

Third, we describe how “dumb” bombs were chosen to strike these homes.

Fourth, we explain how the army loosened the permitted number of civilians who could be killed during the bombing of a target.

Fifth, we note how automated software inaccurately calculated the amount of non-combatants in each household.

And sixth, we show how on several occasions, when a home was struck, usually at night, the individual target was sometimes not inside at all, because military officers did not verify the information in real time.

‘Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in Gaza

The Israeli army has marked tens of thousands of Gazans as suspects for assassination, using an AI targeting system with little human oversight and a permissive policy for casualties, +972 and Local Call reveal.

www.972mag.com

 

[moXJO]

Israel are not our friends. Conservatives and the right are being duped.
Zionists have caused more destruction through the world and feed off of every war they get us in. We have been on the wrong side of history since supporting them.

 

[moXJO]

Big job, how many times have fanatical groups been completely destroyed, ISIS, Iran etc, like I said big job and it only becomes a matter of time before the locals take sides.
Then the problem never goes away, IMO Israel needs to work out where the line is, there is a point where Hamas will never recover and the population will never support them for fear of reprocussions, once it goes past that line then the whole population will turn on Israel and support Hamas.
It is a very risky game to completely destroy the enemy, when the enemy doesn't wear a uniform, as the U.S found out in the middle East and Afghanistan.
When this is all over, they still have to live next to each other.
Fortunately I don't have any link to either Country, for those that do it must be a stressfull time.

It's a land grab pure and simple.

Oct 7th was allowed to happen. There is no way a bunch of Palestinian goat herders are getting through their multiple layers of warning systems or rapid deployment of Israeli troops.

Palestinians are being butchered with Oct 7th an excuse.

 

[investor13]

Israel are not our friends. Conservatives and the right are being duped.
Zionists have caused more destruction through the world and feed off of every war they get us in. We have been on the wrong side of history since supporting them.

FYI, communism and zionism is the same **** but opposite sides of the political land scape

 

[wayneL]

Zionism is Israeli nationalism. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[noirua]

Israel’s Gaza offensive will last all year, a top official said​

Israel’s national security adviser, Tzachi Hanegbi, said yesterday that he expected “another seven months of combat” in Gaza, casting doubt on the idea that the war could come to an end after the offensive against Hamas in Rafah.

Israel has faced increased international pressure since its bombardment sparked a fire that killed at least 45 people in an area in Rafah where displaced Palestinians were sheltering. A Times visual investigation found that the U.S. made the bombs used in the strike.

Middle East Crisis: Gaza Offensive Will Last at Least Through End of Year, Israeli Official Says

Israel’s national security adviser, Tzachi Hanegbi, appeared to reject the idea of a quick end to the war, though it was unclear what the intensity of the campaign would be.

www.nytimes.com

 

[noirua]

It's a land grab pure and simple.

Oct 7th was allowed to happen. There is no way a bunch of Palestinian goat herders are getting through their multiple layers of warning systems or rapid deployment of Israeli troops.

Palestinians are being butchered with Oct 7th an excuse.

If a country loses a war they often lose some of its territory as Germany did after WW1.

It cannot be denied that the conditions were somewhat draconian. Germany accepted responsibility for the war and lost 68,000 km² of territory, including Alsace and Lorraine, which had been annexed in 1870, and 8 million inhabitants.

The Treaty of Versailles, 1919

After four years of devastating fighting, the First World War came to an end in 1919 in Versailles. The treaty, which represented “peace” for some and a “diktat” for others, also sowed the seeds of the Second World War, which would break out twenty years later.

en.chateauversailles.fr

 

[noirua]

In 1516, the Ottoman Turks invaded and occupied Palestine, an occupation that lasted for 402 years (1516-1918), except for the 9 years between 1831 and 1840, when the Egyptian Governor Muhammad Ali sent his troops to capture Palestine under the command of his son Ibrahim Pasha.
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As Palestine under Turkish rule fought alongside Turkey in WW1, British troops invaded defeating the Ottoman Turks. Thus an agreement took place which eventually set up Israel after WW2. So territories lost by Palestine were due to their defeat in WW1 - part of the Treaty of Versailles in 1919.
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Australians did not invade Modern Turkey but the AIF (Australian Imperial Force) fought as part of the ANZAC (Australian and New Zealand Army Corps) which was part of the British Empire Force that attacked the Ottoman Empire at the Gallipoli peninsula during the First World War.
On 25 April 1915, 16,000 Australians and New Zealanders, together with British, French and Indian troops, landed on the Gallipoli peninsula. The invasion was part of a campaign to: capture the peninsula and help naval operations in the Dardanelles straits.

 

[noirua]

The Mamluk Sultanate continued the Islamic control of Palestine until they were overthrown by the Ottomans in 1516. The Mamluk Sultanate (1250 – 1517) was created following France's attempt to conquer Egypt in the Seventh Crusade. At its zenith, it spanned Egypt, the Levant and Hejaz.

The Rise of Islam - continued - Welcome To Palestine

The rise of Islam continued in Palestine - History of Palestine

www.welcometopalestine.com

 

[noirua]

Cemeteries on Gallipoli | Australian War Memorial

www.awm.gov.au