Israel - Palestine

[basilio]

I'll add another story on the challenges and complexities of negotiating the hoped for hostage/ prisoners swap in Israel.
One of the key factors in the situation was the role of President Joe Biden in calling and negotiating with the Quatar representatives.

I highlight this factor because it is probably one of the key differences in Presidential capacity between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. I suspect even Donald trumps strongest supporters would not see him as capable of carrying out this sort of negotiation


On November 9, Burns and Barnea met the Qatari Prime Minister, Sheikh Mohammed Bin Abdulrahman al-Thani, in Doha. But they felt they couldn't progress the deal without knowing who was going to be freed.

Top-level diplomacy was needed. The White House says president Joe Biden then phoned his Qatari counterpart, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani, and had a "very intense call about where we stood".

Soon after the call, Hamas provided a list.
.... The White House has been keen to emphasise the president's intimate involvement in the hostage deal, listing the number of phone calls he had with his counterparts in Israel, Qatar and Egypt.

Officials also described a Zoom meeting he held with the families of the American hostages in mid-October, with one describing it as one of the most "gut wrenching things I've ever experienced in that office."

Reporters have been backgrounded on his insistence — despite pushback in Israel — that truckloads of aid be allowed into Gaza.

White House officials stress this was not only to meet Hamas's conditions of a hostage release, but to alleviate the suffering of innocent Palestinians at risk of being starved by an Israeli siege.

How high-level hostage diplomacy got through the sticking points that threatened the deal

For weeks, the faces of hostages have been plastered on posters all over the world, while the diplomatic operation to free them has largely been top secret.

www.abc.net.au

 

[moXJO]

I'll add another story on the challenges and complexities of negotiating the hoped for hostage/ prisoners swap in Israel.
One of the key factors in the situation was the role of President Joe Biden in calling and negotiating with the Quatar representatives.

I highlight this factor because it is probably one of the key differences in Presidential capacity between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. I suspect even Donald trumps strongest supporters would not see him as capable of carrying out this sort of negotiation


On November 9, Burns and Barnea met the Qatari Prime Minister, Sheikh Mohammed Bin Abdulrahman al-Thani, in Doha. But they felt they couldn't progress the deal without knowing who was going to be freed.

Top-level diplomacy was needed. The White House says president Joe Biden then phoned his Qatari counterpart, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani, and had a "very intense call about where we stood".

Soon after the call, Hamas provided a list.
.... The White House has been keen to emphasise the president's intimate involvement in the hostage deal, listing the number of phone calls he had with his counterparts in Israel, Qatar and Egypt.

Officials also described a Zoom meeting he held with the families of the American hostages in mid-October, with one describing it as one of the most "gut wrenching things I've ever experienced in that office."

Reporters have been backgrounded on his insistence — despite pushback in Israel — that truckloads of aid be allowed into Gaza.

White House officials stress this was not only to meet Hamas's conditions of a hostage release, but to alleviate the suffering of innocent Palestinians at risk of being starved by an Israeli siege.

How high-level hostage diplomacy got through the sticking points that threatened the deal

For weeks, the faces of hostages have been plastered on posters all over the world, while the diplomatic operation to free them has largely been top secret.

www.abc.net.au

Trump brokered a peace deal. Joe let pretty much everything go to sht. None of these things were happening under Trump.

 

[basilio]

Trump brokered a peace deal. Joe let pretty much everything go to sht. None of these things were happening under Trump.

What a joke Moxjo. Talk about swallowing the Trump Kool Aid.

Trumps "peace"deals had absolutely nothing to do with Israel and the Palestinians. They were agreements with countries that had never been at war. Not saying they wern't a worthwhile activity but they certainly didn't have the challenge of trying to deal with the current mess.

The war between Hamas and Israel is not something I would directly blame on Biden or Trump for that matter. However Trumps decisions to support Israel offered no opportunity for the Palestinians to protect their interests and was a factor in this war.

I was commenting on what President Biden is doing now to pull some sort of humanity from a disastrous situation.

Trump’s Mideast deals tout ‘peace’ where there was never war​

By JOSEPH KRAUSS
Published 4:02 PM GMT+11, September 14, 2020

JERUSALEM (AP) — For the first time in more than a quarter-century, a U.S. president will host a signing ceremony between Israelis and Arabs at the White House, billing it as an “historic breakthrough” in a region long known for its stubborn conflicts.

But while the optics of Tuesday’s event will evoke the groundbreaking agreements that ended decades of war between Israel and neighboring Egypt and Jordan, and that launched the peace process with the Palestinians, the reality is quite different.

The United Arab Emirates will establish diplomatic relations with Israel, a fellow U.S. ally it has never gone to war with, formalizing ties that go back several years. The agreement cements an informal alliance against Iran and could pave the way for the UAE to acquire advanced U.S. weapons, while leaving the far more contentious Israeli-Palestinian conflict as intractable as ever.

Trump's Mideast deals tout 'peace' where there was never war

JERUSALEM (AP) — For the first time in more than a quarter-century, a U.S. president will host a signing ceremony between Israelis and Arabs at the White House, billing it as an "historic breakthrough" in a region long known for its stubborn conflicts.

apnews.com

 

[moXJO]

What a joke Moxjo. Talk about swallowing the Trump Kool Aid.

Trumps "peace"deals had absolutely nothing to do with Israel and the Palestinians. They were agreements with countries that had never been at war. Not saying they wern't a worthwhile activity but they certainly didn't have the challenge of trying to deal with the current mess.

The war between Hamas and Israel is not something I would directly blame on Biden or Trump for that matter. However Trumps decisions to support Israel offered no opportunity for the Palestinians to protect their interests and was a factor in this war.

I was commenting on what President Biden is doing now to pull some sort of humanity from a disastrous situation.

Trump’s Mideast deals tout ‘peace’ where there was never war​

By JOSEPH KRAUSS
Published 4:02 PM GMT+11, September 14, 2020

JERUSALEM (AP) — For the first time in more than a quarter-century, a U.S. president will host a signing ceremony between Israelis and Arabs at the White House, billing it as an “historic breakthrough” in a region long known for its stubborn conflicts.

But while the optics of Tuesday’s event will evoke the groundbreaking agreements that ended decades of war between Israel and neighboring Egypt and Jordan, and that launched the peace process with the Palestinians, the reality is quite different.

The United Arab Emirates will establish diplomatic relations with Israel, a fellow U.S. ally it has never gone to war with, formalizing ties that go back several years. The agreement cements an informal alliance against Iran and could pave the way for the UAE to acquire advanced U.S. weapons, while leaving the far more contentious Israeli-Palestinian conflict as intractable as ever.

Trump's Mideast deals tout 'peace' where there was never war

JERUSALEM (AP) — For the first time in more than a quarter-century, a U.S. president will host a signing ceremony between Israelis and Arabs at the White House, billing it as an "historic breakthrough" in a region long known for its stubborn conflicts.

apnews.com

Who's smoking what?
Check it again. You use to be able to download the "Peace to prosperity" plan and it showed how Palestine could move towards being independent.

Maybe stop looking at idiot articles for people that need to be told what to think and quote the actual source.

 

[wayneL]

'Straya, mate!

 

[wayneL]

Never again, huh?

 

[wayneL]

Seen at the pro terrorists march of misguided and misinformed children...

Something tells me that this kid should be back at school learning history.

 

[basilio]

"Peace to prosperity" plan

That was pure Kusher/Trump bullxhit writ large and trashed by the Israelis and the Palestinians. It demonstrated just how incapable the Trump administration was in creating diplomatic solutions between that would be fair and acceptable to both parties.

 

[IFocus]

Trump brokered a peace deal. Joe let pretty much everything go to sht. None of these things were happening under Trump.

Yeah...nah

 

[farmerge]

Yeah...nah

So now the transfer of opposites has stalled for a day Didn't take long for not much to happen.

 

[moXJO]

That was pure Kusher/Trump bullxhit writ large and trashed by the Israelis and the Palestinians. It demonstrated just how incapable the Trump administration was in creating diplomatic solutions between that would be fair and acceptable to both parties.

Biden left weapons in Afghanistan that are now being used against Israel. Oh and Ukraine as well.
In Afghanistan case they then tried to charge the US soldiers for leaving weapons behind.
Oh they are getting sued for the vaccines as well. So they basically destroyed recruitment for the US. But that's another story of the gargantuan amount of f#$k ups Biden has committed.

Yeah...nah

Didn't happen under Trump did it.
In fact Bidens anti Semitic stance and muttering from his party helped bring about the weakening of the US.
Did you read the plan?
Or just parrot bas position of being wrong about everything for the past 7 years?

 

[IFocus]

Biden left weapons in Afghanistan that are now being used against Israel. Oh and Ukraine as well.
In Afghanistan case they then tried to charge the US soldiers for leaving weapons behind.
Oh they are getting sued for the vaccines as well. So they basically destroyed recruitment for the US. But that's another story of the gargantuan amount of f#$k ups Biden has committed.


Didn't happen under Trump did it.
In fact Bidens anti Semitic stance and muttering from his party helped bring about the weakening of the US.
Did you read the plan?
Or just parrot bas position of being wrong about everything for the past 7 years?

Those Trump rose colored glasses sure are thick.

Yeah...nah x 2

BTW I don't think much of Biden but Trump is nowhere near his league.

 

[moXJO]

BTW I don't think much of Biden but Trump is nowhere near his league.

I agree. Biden is the most corrupt shtbag the US has ever seen. Responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. More deaths under covid. More poverty. More weapons for enemy states.

No where near an established politicians league.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 22, 2023​

Nov 22, 2023 - ISW Press

Russian President Vladimir Putin reframed the Kremlin’s stance on the Israeli-Hamas war to a much more anti-Israel position in an attempt to demonstrate the supposed hypocrisy of Western condemnations of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Putin stated that attendees of the G20 summit who expressed shock at the continued Russian war in Ukraine should instead be “shocked” by the “bloody” 2014 Euromaidan Revolution in Ukraine and the subsequent war that the “Kyiv regime waged against its own people” in Donbas and by the “extermination of the civilian population in Palestine, in the Gaza sector.” Putin’s November 22 statement on the Israel-Hamas war referring to the “extermination of the civilian population of Palestine” was a departure from previous Kremlin framing that largely focused on calling for peace and claiming that the Israel-Hamas war will distract from the provision of Western military aid to Ukraine. Putin’s November 22 framing of the Israeli-Hamas war continues to exploit that war to undermine Western support for Ukraine, as ISW has previously assessed, and also signals potentially increasing support for Iranian interests in the region and an increased willingness to antagonize Israel.

 

[Sean K]

I'm flabbergasted by these pro-Palestine rallies.

Surely these people can differentiate between the Hamas attack on Jews and the overall Palestine/Israel question.

And, the chant 'from the river to the sea', do they know what they're saying?

Also, do they have any grasp of the history of the region and who was actually there first in regards to ethnic/religious groups?

 

[farmerge]

I'm flabbergasted by these pro-Palestine rallies.

Surely these people can differentiate between the Hamas attack on Jews and the overall Palestine/Israel question.

And, the chant 'from the river to the sea', do they know what they're saying?

Also, do they have any grasp of the history of the region and who was actually there first in regards to ethnic/religious groups?

Watching a bit of the lunchtime Tv news today.
All these rag heads protesting in Sydney instead of being in school.
Were they bused they and then given the placads.
I would assume that they all belong to the Hamas Schhol of Teaching that the Aust Govt gives generously to, so they can be "educated".

 

[IFocus]

I agree. Biden is the most corrupt shtbag the US has ever seen.

Not by US standards quite moderate / amateur really, Trump way out if front.

Responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. More deaths under covid. More poverty. More weapons for enemy states.

I thought the Russians were killing Ukrainians, are you guys are fanboys of Putin?

No where near an established politicians league.

Yeah got me on that one.

 

[wayneL]

I'm flabbergasted by these pro-Palestine rallies.

Surely these people can differentiate between the Hamas attack on Jews and the overall Palestine/Israel question.

And, the chant 'from the river to the sea', do they know what they're saying?

Also, do they have any grasp of the history of the region and who was actually there first in regards to ethnic/religious groups?

And as I said before, what about the Yemenis, Syrians, Kurds, Armenians etc?

Crickets from these asinine little tw@ts.

The truth is, the left share their hatred of Jews with Islamists.

Could there be a clearer illustration of that than the idiocy of "Queers for Palestine"?

 

[IFocus]

Also, do they have any grasp of the history of the region and who was actually there first in regards to ethnic/religious groups?

Like Australia only 60k more years worth...eh.

 

[Sean K]

Like Australia only 60k more years worth...eh.

OMG, even Langton is saying not to conflate Hamas attacking Israel with our situation.