Israel - Palestine

[wayneL]

Like Australia only 60k more years worth...eh.

You can always give your place back to a lovely indigenous family.

Given your stance, why don't you?

 

[Dona Ferentes]

as a sidebar, I was listening to ABC Classical yesterday and a new work came on, based around, amongst other themes, a representation to the German consulate in Melbourne in 1938 by some Yorta Yorta protesting Kristallnacht. Apparently, the approach was one of the few actions that occurred then.

more at

AYO: Ngapa William Cooper - ABC listen

The Australian Youth Orchestra performs the music of Nigel Westlake, with soloists Lior, Lou Bennett and Sharon Grigoryan

www.abc.net.au

 

[farmerge]

You can always give your place back to a lovely indigenous family.

Given your stance, why don't you?

Now this is an interesting suppossition.

 

[wayneL]

And as I said before, what about the Yemenis, Syrians, Kurds, Armenians etc?

Crickets from these asinine little tw@ts.

The truth is, the left share their hatred of Jews with Islamists.

Could there be a clearer illustration of that than the idiocy of "Queers for Palestine"?

e.g.2 Blatant anti-semitic messaging with the blessing of The Greens.

Edit, forgot the image.

 

[farmerge]

e.g.2 Blatant anti-semitic messaging with the blessing of The Greens.

Edit, forgot the image.

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What a load of the preverbial b/s Wonder what these lot are really taught at "their" school

 

[Sean K]

e.g.2 Blatant anti-semitic messaging with the blessing of The Greens.

Edit, forgot the image.

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Faruqi, leader of useful idiots.

What bamboozles me with this arsehat is why she has imported her hate to Australia when that is what she was supposedly trying to escape from. We really have imported some trash the past 30 years or so who provide zero value to Australia.

 

[wayneL]

Faruqi, leader of useful idiots.

What bamboozles me with this arsehat is why she has imported her hate to Australia when that is what she was supposedly trying to escape from. We really have imported some trash the past 30 years or so who provide zero value to Australia.

Yes, and we propagated a few of our own, such as the Bandt fool.

 

[wayneL]

e.g. 3

CMFEU

 

[Sean K]

Yes, and we propagated a few of our own, such as the Bandt fool.

Won't be too long before we go down the Argentine and Holland path. Seems to be cyclical.

 

[wayneL]

WTF did I just hear???!!!

Journalism standards are in the @#$& tank, what a stupid woman!

 

[moXJO]

Not by US standards quite moderate / amateur really, Trump way out if front.



I thought the Russians were killing Ukrainians, are you guys are fanboys of Putin?



Yeah got me on that one.

Biden was caught red handed.

Ukraine getting used to grind out Russians. US suffers acceptable losses of American troops that way. Big demographic hit ad well.

I don't like Trump beyond the fact he is an outsider. That's what you want. Not some swamp donkey that's been in politics for 30-50 years.

 

[Macquack]

I'm flabbergasted by these pro-Palestine rallies.

Surely these people can differentiate between the Hamas attack on Jews and the overall Palestine/Israel question.

And, the chant 'from the river to the sea', do they know what they're saying?

Also, do they have any grasp of the history of the region and who was actually there first in regards to ethnic/religious groups?

Protesting the killing of over 5000 children is a crime is it ?

Just look at the pictures and the death toll, this is called collective punishment.

 

[Sean K]

Protesting the killing of over 5000 children is a crime is it ?

Just look at the pictures and the death toll, this is called collective punishment.

Hamas responsibility.

 

[Macquack]

You can't take the high moral ground when Israel is committing terrorist acts against Palestinians with ten times the retribution.

Israel has the power and backing to do whatever it likes, but don't expect a pat on the back from me.

 

[IFocus]

Biden was caught red handed.

Ukraine getting used to grind out Russians. US suffers acceptable losses of American troops that way. Big demographic hit ad well.

I don't like Trump beyond the fact he is an outsider. That's what you want. Not some swamp donkey that's been in politics for 30-50 years.

When someone has been in politics for 20 or more years you get an idea what you are getting.

Trump is no outsider total insider the Republicans groverling pathetic submission to him confirms he is definitely part of the so called swamp.

 

[Sean K]

You can't take the high moral ground when Israel is committing terrorist acts against Palestinians with ten times the retribution.

Israel has the power and backing to do whatever it likes, but don't expect a pat on the back from me.

Hamas using civilian infrastructure such as hospitals and mosques as military locations is against the Geneva Conventions / IHL and makes those locations legitimate military targets under the laws of war. They are attempting to use their own people as human shields, which is not just illegal but morally and ethically bankrupt and makes them responsible for any targeting of those facilities.

 

[moXJO]

When someone has been in politics for 20 or more years you get an idea what you are getting.

Trump is no outsider total insider the Republicans groverling pathetic submission to him confirms he is definitely part of the so called swamp.

He has exposed the democrats for the corrupt pedos they are and blown up half the Republicans. Tearing down entrenched cia and fbi power mad officials along with justice department. Took out the media as well.
Trump was the guy that (intentionally or not)
made everyone question everything. Even the media killed themselves during trumps reign.

What's not to like.

 

[Sean K]

Gilad Shalit was just a year out of high school when he was abducted by Hamas terrorists. It was June 2006, not even a full 12 months after Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza. In a bloody, vicious incursion, terrorists stole across the border into Israel via a series of tunnels. They murdered two people, wounded another four.

Shalit, also wounded, was taken hostage and held until 2011. That’s right; he was held hostage for five years and four months. Barely a man, Shalit was held hostage in Gaza for more than a quarter of the time he had been alive. His freedom eventually was secured when he was handed over in exchange for 1027 Palestinian prisoners. One life swapped for more than 1000.

But what is more extraordinary, if not surprising, is that among those released in that deal were two of the masterminds of the barbaric October 7 massacre in southern Israel.

What a terrible price to pay. What an impossible situation. As of the time of writing, the hostage deal in Gaza was still pending. But the story of Shalit isn’t just an omen. It’s a demonstration of the systemic, deeply ingrained pursuit by Hamas and other militant Islamist groups of the elimination of the Jewish people and the state of Israel.

Australian Labor lives by the mantra “whatever it takes”. It’s got nothing on Hamas.

Shalit’s story provides critical context to the hostage exchanges taking place. I want to propose it also gives cause to question the role, impact, involvement, knowledge and, some may suggest, culpability of the many non-government organisations (the UN chief among these) that operate in the disputed territories.

How can a person be held hostage for more than a half-decade with nobody knowing where he is? That’s a lot of collective ignorance or undeclared allegiance to the cause, depending on your view.

This past week, the world finally saw what Israel had flagged, cold hard evidence that al-Shifa hospital had been operating as a de facto terror base. The hospital hid munitions stores, concealed tunnels and war rooms. The world now has seen images of bloodied hostages being bundled into lifts on October 7. Security vision shows men standing guard, carrying assault rifles and what looks like a large machete or knife.

Yet the World Health Organisation, which repeatedly has described al-Shifa as a “death zone” in its numerous calls for a ceasefire, offered its best Sgt Schultz impersonation when pressed about why it didn’t notice anything unusual during many visits to al-Shifa since the massacre. We saw nothing, we knew nothing. We focused on the patients, was its explanation.

So focused, the presence of heavily armed men wandering corridors didn’t raise any red flags. We’re expected to swallow this nonsense.

This month Geneva-based human rights watchdog UN Watch released a scathing report outlining how teachers working for the UN Relief and Works Agency were indoctrinating Palestinian kids into hatred, anti-Semitism and terrorism. It also revealed that more than 20 UNRWA teachers and staff were documented celebrating the October 7 massacre. For reference, Western countries fund UNRWA with a lazy $US1.6bn ($2.4bn). More fool us.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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Gilad Shalit was just a year out of high school when he was abducted by Hamas terrorists. It was June 2006, not even a full 12 months after Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza. In a bloody, vicious incursion, terrorists stole across the border into Israel via a series of tunnels. They murdered two people, wounded another four.

Shalit, also wounded, was taken hostage and held until 2011. That’s right; he was held hostage for five years and four months. Barely a man, Shalit was held hostage in Gaza for more than a quarter of the time he had been alive. His freedom eventually was secured when he was handed over in exchange for 1027 Palestinian prisoners. One life swapped for more than 1000.

But what is more extraordinary, if not surprising, is that among those released in that deal were two of the masterminds of the barbaric October 7 massacre in southern Israel.

What a terrible price to pay. What an impossible situation. As of the time of writing, the hostage deal in Gaza was still pending. But the story of Shalit isn’t just an omen. It’s a demonstration of the systemic, deeply ingrained pursuit by Hamas and other militant Islamist groups of the elimination of the Jewish people and the state of Israel.

Australian Labor lives by the mantra “whatever it takes”. It’s got nothing on Hamas.

Shalit’s story provides critical context to the hostage exchanges taking place. I want to propose it also gives cause to question the role, impact, involvement, knowledge and, some may suggest, culpability of the many non-government organisations (the UN chief among these) that operate in the disputed territories.

How can a person be held hostage for more than a half-decade with nobody knowing where he is? That’s a lot of collective ignorance or undeclared allegiance to the cause, depending on your view.

This past week, the world finally saw what Israel had flagged, cold hard evidence that al-Shifa hospital had been operating as a de facto terror base. The hospital hid munitions stores, concealed tunnels and war rooms. The world now has seen images of bloodied hostages being bundled into lifts on October 7. Security vision shows men standing guard, carrying assault rifles and what looks like a large machete or knife.

Yet the World Health Organisation, which repeatedly has described al-Shifa as a “death zone” in its numerous calls for a ceasefire, offered its best Sgt Schultz impersonation when pressed about why it didn’t notice anything unusual during many visits to al-Shifa since the massacre. We saw nothing, we knew nothing. We focused on the patients, was its explanation.

So focused, the presence of heavily armed men wandering corridors didn’t raise any red flags. We’re expected to swallow this nonsense.

This month Geneva-based human rights watchdog UN Watch released a scathing report outlining how teachers working for the UN Relief and Works Agency were indoctrinating Palestinian kids into hatred, anti-Semitism and terrorism. It also revealed that more than 20 UNRWA teachers and staff were documented celebrating the October 7 massacre. For reference, Western countries fund UNRWA with a lazy $US1.6bn ($2.4bn). More fool us.

Thanks Sean, I haven't seen much by young, or just plain the lovely Gemma Tognini the auther of this article, (as like us all she is getting on a bit,) for some time now. More my fault than hers, she mainly writes for Rupert's behind-paywall rags to which I do not subscribe.This piece written by her shows her passion and decisiveness for her subject that was so characteristic of her in her early days at Ch7. I've noticed however that in her search for the gotcha lines that endear so many contributors to ole Rupert she has overlooked one important point.

Gilad Shilat was a serving soldier on active duty in 2006 with the Israeli Army when he was captured or as she describes it kidnapped and held prisoner for so many years. This was a tragedy for him and his family, although luckily he was exchanged. It was not a tragedy for humanity, there were bigger monsters about in the late noughties.

Gemma's piece sits on the far right of the Bell curve for evenhandedness in reporting on the Israel - Palestine conflict. One man's war is another's freedom struggle and yet can also be simultaneously described as terrorism, revolution or criminal by others. I am quite sure that an article in one of the left's journals, such as the Guardian would equally descrbe Gilat as a mini monster, planning genocide on Palestinians rather than the poor unlucky sod that he was.

Indeed Crikey.com.au has painted Gemma herself as an Israeli pawn, as she has benefitted from many freebies and trips to Israel courtesy of the Israeli government.

I have no time for Hamas, murdering thugs that they are, nor for acquisitive Israeli settlers on the West Bank, nor for Likud, the Arab League, Islamists, Zionists, Biden nor Netanyahu. They all bring in equal share that hatred that causes men to loose their baser instincts, to wound, starve, rape and kill the unfortunate losers in war.

I will leave it to the historians well after my time, to piece together the relationship between the Gazan hospitals and Hamas. It is probably a bit of both.

gg

 

[IFocus]

Security experts blame Israel government for attack: ‘They had sources inside’​

'This one falls squarely on the Israelis'​

Former Kerem Shalom Battalion Commander Yoram Erez wrote: "Something here doesn't add up to me!!! This is a mystery that I can't find an answer to since yesterday?

"I happen to know how things work in Gaza and on the border. I was the commander of the Kerem Shalom sector (Rafiah), I was in charge of Kissuf sector, I know the perimeter fence very well, I know how the army works there. I was in the Shatti refugee camp in Gaza, I was in charge of the Jibaliya refugee camp, I would make ambushes on the fence and deep in the area. I met Gazans, ate and breathed Gaza.

"The obstacle is built so that even a fox cannot pass it:

"Alerts are set according to 3 levels of pressure. It must alert when it is cut. There are, 24/7, forces that are responsible for arriving within a few minutes, if not seconds, to the point where there is an alert in the fence.

"Every day they do at least one penetration drill. Each subdivision has a standby squad whose role is to increase the force in an emergency situation. Observations scattered along the border cover every inch of it.

"The female observers are champions at identification. They don't miss. They detect movement even before it even approaches the obstacle - day and night. At problematic points (dead areas) they place a tank with observation and detection capabilities, and a terrifying firepower. In some cases snipers are deployed in the field.

"Every day before dawn there is a ‘dawn alert’ procedure. At this hour all the forces are awake (in this case also the hour when hundreds of terrorists entered Israel). The night shift alternates with the day shift. The commander of each force inspects the axis to make sure there were no infiltrations during the night.

"Trackers that move on the axis know how to recognize traces. They know who crossed the fence, how much and even when.

"Each scenario has a clear procedure. For example, a procedure for infiltrating terrorists, a procedure for taking hostages. Everything is written in blood and has been proving itself for years.

"There are several other layers of security that this is not the place to talk about. In short, we are talking about an obstacle that proves itself for years and years.

"So how the hell does a Palestinian tractor move towards the fence without anyone reacting to it?

"How did the tractor manage to sabotage the fence for a long hour and open access to Israel without anyone reacting to it?

"How did hundreds of terrorists and civilians cross the barrier without anyone on our side lifting a finger?

"How did terrorists arrive on foot and in vehicles, armed from head to toe, to dozens of Israeli settlements, without any reaction from our side?

"How did hundreds of terrorists stay in Israeli territory for long hours, shoot hundreds of Israelis, loot property, without there being even a single reaction on our side?

"How did it happen that hundreds of terrorists kidnapped dozens of Israelis, woke women, children, babies, old people from their beds, surprised soldiers, officers when they were not ready, and kidnapped them to Gaza, without anyone stopping them?

"How is it that one bullet was not fired?

"How did all this happen under our noses?

"Where did an entire division go?

"Where did 3 brigades go?

"Who swallowed 9 battalions?

"What happened to 36 companies?

"Where did an entire regular infantry brigade go that usually outnumbers the elite?

"Where were all the reserve battalions that augment the regular army?

"Where did thousands of soldiers go???

"Someone here needs to provide explanations!!"

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