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Security experts blame Israel government for attack: ‘They had sources inside’​

'This one falls squarely on the Israelis'​



Former Kerem Shalom Battalion Commander Yoram Erez wrote: "Something here doesn't add up to me!!! This is a mystery that I can't find an answer to since yesterday?

"I happen to know how things work in Gaza and on the border. I was the commander of the Kerem Shalom sector (Rafiah), I was in charge of Kissuf sector, I know the perimeter fence very well, I know how the army works there. I was in the Shatti refugee camp in Gaza, I was in charge of the Jibaliya refugee camp, I would make ambushes on the fence and deep in the area. I met Gazans, ate and breathed Gaza.

"The obstacle is built so that even a fox cannot pass it:

"Alerts are set according to 3 levels of pressure. It must alert when it is cut. There are, 24/7, forces that are responsible for arriving within a few minutes, if not seconds, to the point where there is an alert in the fence.

"Every day they do at least one penetration drill. Each subdivision has a standby squad whose role is to increase the force in an emergency situation. Observations scattered along the border cover every inch of it.

"The female observers are champions at identification. They don't miss. They detect movement even before it even approaches the obstacle - day and night. At problematic points (dead areas) they place a tank with observation and detection capabilities, and a terrifying firepower. In some cases snipers are deployed in the field.

"Every day before dawn there is a ‘dawn alert’ procedure. At this hour all the forces are awake (in this case also the hour when hundreds of terrorists entered Israel). The night shift alternates with the day shift. The commander of each force inspects the axis to make sure there were no infiltrations during the night.

"Trackers that move on the axis know how to recognize traces. They know who crossed the fence, how much and even when.

"Each scenario has a clear procedure. For example, a procedure for infiltrating terrorists, a procedure for taking hostages. Everything is written in blood and has been proving itself for years.

"There are several other layers of security that this is not the place to talk about. In short, we are talking about an obstacle that proves itself for years and years.

"So how the hell does a Palestinian tractor move towards the fence without anyone reacting to it?

"How did the tractor manage to sabotage the fence for a long hour and open access to Israel without anyone reacting to it?

"How did hundreds of terrorists and civilians cross the barrier without anyone on our side lifting a finger?

"How did terrorists arrive on foot and in vehicles, armed from head to toe, to dozens of Israeli settlements, without any reaction from our side?

"How did hundreds of terrorists stay in Israeli territory for long hours, shoot hundreds of Israelis, loot property, without there being even a single reaction on our side?

"How did it happen that hundreds of terrorists kidnapped dozens of Israelis, woke women, children, babies, old people from their beds, surprised soldiers, officers when they were not ready, and kidnapped them to Gaza, without anyone stopping them?

"How is it that one bullet was not fired?

"How did all this happen under our noses?

"Where did an entire division go?

"Where did 3 brigades go?

"Who swallowed 9 battalions?

"What happened to 36 companies?

"Where did an entire regular infantry brigade go that usually outnumbers the elite?

"Where were all the reserve battalions that augment the regular army?

"Where did thousands of soldiers go???

"Someone here needs to provide explanations!!"


If true WOW and WOW again.
 

Security experts blame Israel government for attack: ‘They had sources inside’​

'This one falls squarely on the Israelis'​



Former Kerem Shalom Battalion Commander Yoram Erez wrote: "Something here doesn't add up to me!!! This is a mystery that I can't find an answer to since yesterday?

"I happen to know how things work in Gaza and on the border. I was the commander of the Kerem Shalom sector (Rafiah), I was in charge of Kissuf sector, I know the perimeter fence very well, I know how the army works there. I was in the Shatti refugee camp in Gaza, I was in charge of the Jibaliya refugee camp, I would make ambushes on the fence and deep in the area. I met Gazans, ate and breathed Gaza.

"The obstacle is built so that even a fox cannot pass it:

"Alerts are set according to 3 levels of pressure. It must alert when it is cut. There are, 24/7, forces that are responsible for arriving within a few minutes, if not seconds, to the point where there is an alert in the fence.

"Every day they do at least one penetration drill. Each subdivision has a standby squad whose role is to increase the force in an emergency situation. Observations scattered along the border cover every inch of it.

"The female observers are champions at identification. They don't miss. They detect movement even before it even approaches the obstacle - day and night. At problematic points (dead areas) they place a tank with observation and detection capabilities, and a terrifying firepower. In some cases snipers are deployed in the field.

"Every day before dawn there is a ‘dawn alert’ procedure. At this hour all the forces are awake (in this case also the hour when hundreds of terrorists entered Israel). The night shift alternates with the day shift. The commander of each force inspects the axis to make sure there were no infiltrations during the night.

"Trackers that move on the axis know how to recognize traces. They know who crossed the fence, how much and even when.

"Each scenario has a clear procedure. For example, a procedure for infiltrating terrorists, a procedure for taking hostages. Everything is written in blood and has been proving itself for years.

"There are several other layers of security that this is not the place to talk about. In short, we are talking about an obstacle that proves itself for years and years.

"So how the hell does a Palestinian tractor move towards the fence without anyone reacting to it?

"How did the tractor manage to sabotage the fence for a long hour and open access to Israel without anyone reacting to it?

"How did hundreds of terrorists and civilians cross the barrier without anyone on our side lifting a finger?

"How did terrorists arrive on foot and in vehicles, armed from head to toe, to dozens of Israeli settlements, without any reaction from our side?

"How did hundreds of terrorists stay in Israeli territory for long hours, shoot hundreds of Israelis, loot property, without there being even a single reaction on our side?

"How did it happen that hundreds of terrorists kidnapped dozens of Israelis, woke women, children, babies, old people from their beds, surprised soldiers, officers when they were not ready, and kidnapped them to Gaza, without anyone stopping them?

"How is it that one bullet was not fired?

"How did all this happen under our noses?

"Where did an entire division go?

"Where did 3 brigades go?

"Who swallowed 9 battalions?

"What happened to 36 companies?

"Where did an entire regular infantry brigade go that usually outnumbers the elite?

"Where were all the reserve battalions that augment the regular army?

"Where did thousands of soldiers go???

"Someone here needs to provide explanations!!"


This is what I originally suspected.
I've heard through "official" channels that drones were used to blow up the observation posts before they could get word out.

Still seems suss.
 
This is what I originally suspected.
I've heard through "official" channels that drones were used to blow up the observation posts before they could get word out.

Still seems suss.

I think the article addresses the drone thing none of it adds up.

There are so many triggers to any penetrations of the barrier and yet nothing happened for hours.
 
I think the article addresses the drone thing none of it adds up.

There are so many triggers to any penetrations of the barrier and yet nothing happened for hours.
It's a great way to make Palestinians all migrate to other countries. How many will want to stay after their houses are flattened.
Makes it easier for the Israelis to push boundaries.
 

Israeli assault on southern Gaza could lead to 1m refugees, UNRWA chief warns​


As a generalisation, I would say no country likes refugees.

As Israel are generating these potentially massive number of Palestinian refugees, they (Israel) should be forced to take a large chunk of these refugees into Israel! That might make Adolf Netanyahu think twice as he would not be able to kill them inside Israel.
 

Israeli assault on southern Gaza could lead to 1m refugees, UNRWA chief warns​


As a generalisation, I would say no country likes refugees.

As Israel are generating these potentially massive number of Palestinian refugees, they (Israel) should be forced to take a large chunk of these refugees into Israel! That might make Adolf Netanyahu think twice as he would not be able to kill them inside Israel.

1. Hamas started this.
2. There are a bunch of Islamic countries who could take them in.
3. Why aren't the countries at point 2 taking them in?
4. Why isn't Indonesia, the most populist Muslim country on the planet, taking them in?
5. Why do all these Muslims from Muslim countries try to come to Australia, via Indonesia, and not stop there?

Calling a Jew 'Adolf' cannot be deleted. What the hell are you thinking?
 
1. Hamas started this.
2. There are a bunch of Islamic countries who could take them in.
3. Why aren't the countries at point 2 taking them in?
4. Why isn't Indonesia, the most populist Muslim country on the planet, taking them in?
5. Why do all these Muslims from Muslim countries try to come to Australia, via Indonesia, and not stop there?

Calling a Jew 'Adolf' cannot be deleted. What the hell are you thinking?

Very good write up on the history answers all your questions yeah I know wiki but its very good

 
Questions:

Why to both the extreme right and extreme left hate Jews?

Why do the extreme left, as evidenced in this thread, have license to hate Jews?
 

Israeli assault on southern Gaza could lead to 1m refugees, UNRWA chief warns​


As a generalisation, I would say no country likes refugees.

As Israel are generating these potentially massive number of Palestinian refugees, they (Israel) should be forced to take a large chunk of these refugees into Israel! That might make Adolf Netanyahu think twice as he would not be able to kill them inside Israel.
I find it galling that you are comparing Netanyahu to one of the worst in Adolf Hitler. Beggers belief.
 
I find it galling that you are comparing Netanyahu to one of the worst in Adolf Hitler. Beggers belief.
Both are war criminals. Netanyahu is committing genocide.

Piggs arse they are targeting Hamas. They are just randomly bombing the **** out of the place.
 
Any report from hamas is a lie. No point listening to them at all

Try these numbers by the Israelis


Israel believes that it has killed two Palestinian civilians for every Hamas militant in its intense campaign to eliminate the armed group from the Gaza Strip, a ratio an IDF spokesperson described to CNN Monday as “tremendously positive.”

The AFP news agency first reported the Israeli assessment on Monday, citing a briefing for foreign media by senior Israeli military officials. Asked about reports that about 5,000 Hamas militants had been killed since October 7, one of the officials replied, according to AFP: “The numbers are more or less right.”

Asked by CNN’s Erin Burnett about the details that emerged in the briefing, IDF spokesperson Jonathan Conricus said: “I can confirm the report.” Conricus cited the challenges of fighting in a densely populated area.



According to figures compiled by the Hamas-controlled health ministry in Gaza, almost 16,000 people have died since October 7. The ministry’s figures don’t distinguish between combatants and civilians. Conricus’ statement implied that more than 10,000 civilians have died in the conflict.

 
Try these numbers by the Israelis


Israel believes that it has killed two Palestinian civilians for every Hamas militant in its intense campaign to eliminate the armed group from the Gaza Strip, a ratio an IDF spokesperson described to CNN Monday as “tremendously positive.”

The AFP news agency first reported the Israeli assessment on Monday, citing a briefing for foreign media by senior Israeli military officials. Asked about reports that about 5,000 Hamas militants had been killed since October 7, one of the officials replied, according to AFP: “The numbers are more or less right.”

Asked by CNN’s Erin Burnett about the details that emerged in the briefing, IDF spokesperson Jonathan Conricus said: “I can confirm the report.” Conricus cited the challenges of fighting in a densely populated area.



According to figures compiled by the Hamas-controlled health ministry in Gaza, almost 16,000 people have died since October 7. The ministry’s figures don’t distinguish between combatants and civilians. Conricus’ statement implied that more than 10,000 civilians have died in the conflict.

Is tragic and as asymmetric that is, if such as assymetry was the other way around we would be seeing the genocide and merciless obliteration of the Jewish people. It would be Oct 7 x 1,000.

This is the explicit goal of Hamas and the majority of Gazans.

Peace is in the hands of Hamas and the Palestinians, but it is patently obvious that they do not want it.
 
The Israeli Army has started pumping sea water into the Hamas tunnel system in Gaza to flush the terrorists out. They wanted “from the river to the sea” but now it’s the sea flowing to the sewer.
 
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