Israel in the Gaza Strip

[hotbmw]

Notice the difference in media treatment between the Russian eviction of Georgian troops from the Russian enclave....and the western media backing of the Israeli incursion.
The US and its hangers-on condemned the Russian response as excessive,but strongly support Israel when the provocation was far less.
Whoever said that democracies are controlled by propaganda was right on the money.

i live in Ukraine (ow so many beautiful women) for about 5 months a year and although i see where your coming from, it honestly is nothing alike. russia is a ruthless power hungry machine. they bully all eastern european countries who arent pro russia. how can u be pro russia? the quicker their currency and economy totally collapses (i pray for low oil/gas prices for long enough to cripple them) the better for eastern europe and the whole world to be honest.

hamas is a terrosist organisation. georgia is a country trying to live apart from russia! russia handed out passports willy nilly in the conflict regions for years and took their chance to take the land they wanted.

now their handing out passports willy nilly in the black sea parts of ukraine with a view to do the same in the future. but ukraine wont be as easy target as georgia

PUTIN OUT!

 

[robert toms]

Is it winter in the Ukraine...I think so!
I think you may have been influenced by too much bedroom mazurka with those beautiful women.
I fear that the Ukraine is adversely influenced by its close proximity to Russia,as have the Palestinians having to live next to a much stronger neighbour.
Has the Ukraine come to terms with how paranoid Russia is about border security?
The Ukraine seems to be a victim of their geography....and there are stories about them being on the way to being a failed state ?
By labelling one group terrorists and letting the others off with a clean sheet ...you are using one of the obvious propaganda techniques.
Are the Israelis shining knights on the white charger?

 

[hotbmw]

Is it winter in the Ukraine...I think so!
I think you may have been influenced by too much bedroom mazurka with those beautiful women.
I fear that the Ukraine is adversely influenced by its close proximity to Russia,as have the Palestinians having to live next to a much stronger neighbour.
Has the Ukraine come to terms with how paranoid Russia is about border security?
The Ukraine seems to be a victim of their geography....and there are stories about them being on the way to being a failed state ?
By labelling one group terrorists and letting the others off with a clean sheet ...you are using one of the obvious propaganda techniques.
Are the Israelis shining knights on the white charger?

yes their women influence me a lot on mnay issues but not politics

yes Ukraine will have a severe recession but its well overdue as asset prices have increased by a few hundred percent over the past 6 or 7 years with the introduction to easy credit.

but hamas is a terrorist group. its not a nation.
russia is a big bully nation. we cant compare the 2.

i guess u could say russia and israel may have some similarities but israel has all the arab states wanting to obliterate israel.

no one is calling for all russian heads!!!

russia what they did to georgia and what may do to ukraine in the future is much worse as georgia or ukraine are not hamas. not extremists. they are a young peaceful nation.

hamas is nothing

israel are not shining nights, i dont say they are. but what would u call hamas? why do they even exist? should they exist? isnt it to kill all jews?

 

[Sean K]

Just been catching up on the history of Hamas on Wiki and it quotes this:

The slogan of Hamas is "God is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Qur'an its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of God is the loftiest of its wishes."

eeeeek!

No better than most of Exodus and Deuteronomy though!!!

 

[hotbmw]

sounds like crazy extremist crap to me. does the world need this crap?

 

[gordon2007]

gordon.
to kill anyone is wrong, no matter what colour his skin or mind or religion.


now to you and the pro, israel thinkers, to think that to kill or wound
about
2500 humans, including kids and women
is fair and reasonable because
4 jewish persons were killed.

If this was some kind of video game it would be rotten,
buts its human life we are talking about.

It is sick and a crime against all humans that the World will never forget, just like when Mr Hitler killed so many jews all those years ago.

AND NOW,
israel is only repeating what Mr Hitler did years ago.

"Hamas hides their weapons in schools and shoots them from behind women and children"

The US and Australian troops have the same problem in Afghanistan and Iraq and those proud troops with honour DON'T kill all before them like Israel and Germany did !

And what do the israel troops do.....
hid behind giant tanks and have their mates fly overhead in American made F16 fighter/bombers at about 1000mph.

Now think,
what would your isreal troops do if they didn't have these tanks to hid behind or a F16 to call as a back-up.

This is a monster sick mess !

Your rebuttals are wrong on so many levels it's hard to even comprehend most of it.

To compare israel to what hitler did is ridiculous. It is two completely different things.

To suggest that hamas has only killed 4 people is well short of how many innocent lives they have killed. Just because the latest rounds of missiles fired may have killed 4 people does not mean they have only killed 4. You fail to include the amount of people hamas has injured, throughout the years.

This is not a response to just this one one, it is a response to years of hostilies.

The american bombs that go off in iraq and afghanistan do kill innocent women and children, to suggest they don't again is just more facts that you have completely wrong.

I have never stated I'm pro israel. I've never stated that israel is not using excessive force.

Killing is killing! To kill and mame 10 or 2000 people is still killing. Try telling a parent of an innocent person that their killings wasn't that bad because it was only 4 people.

You are a hypocrit UB. I will not respond to you anymore, as it appears to me you are intolerant of different views and are not capable of rational thinking.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Is it winter in the Ukraine...I think so!
I think you may have been influenced by too much bedroom mazurka with those beautiful women.
I fear that the Ukraine is adversely influenced by its close proximity to Russia,as have the Palestinians having to live next to a much stronger neighbour.
Has the Ukraine come to terms with how paranoid Russia is about border security?
The Ukraine seems to be a victim of their geography....and there are stories about them being on the way to being a failed state ?
By labelling one group terrorists and letting the others off with a clean sheet ...you are using one of the obvious propaganda techniques.
Are the Israelis shining knights on the white charger?

Your comment in red stinks of racism towards white people. Care to clarify your remarks for us and what that really means?

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

I'm in a few minds on this one, but it seems that Hamas have picked this fight.

And in war, there are civilian casualties, for the achievement of military and political aims.

From why I've read, diplomacy failed some time ago to stop the rockets being fired into the Israeli suburbs...

The world expects Israel to appease the attackers just like Chrisians and western nations generally do.

With Israel appeasement will not be the same as it is with the west. I respect the fact that Israel will not appease that which is evil in its nature.

Kids holding guns, people blowing themselves up, building tunnels, firing rockets indisriminately, what does it take to stop it? Appeasement never works. History shows it doesn't. Chamberlain and Hitler.

 

[chops_a_must]

listen guys, im not a jew but im on their side!!!!!!!!

I am of Jewish descent, and I'm certainly not.

israel is a United Nations member state.

hamas is NOT

Because Hamas is not a state - Palestine is.

hamas is a terrorist group hiding amongst palestinian civilians.

They represent the most densified place on Earth. Do you honestly expect them to go out on the plains, or understand the logistics aside from what the propaganda has filled your head with?

hamas is not about peace in this world. hamas's goal and existance is to kill all jews.

Zionist doctrine is much the same.

i saw a documentary on fox news

Geez... must have been credible.

strangely i also watched the new daniel craig movie DEFIANCE which was about the jews harsh treatment in belarus in the 1940's so maybe im feeling a bit sorry for them BUT in all honesty this hamas has to go!!!

Beats me how anyone can know things like this, and not see the irony.

it honestly is nothing alike. russia is a ruthless power hungry machine. they bully all eastern european countries who arent pro russia. how can u be pro russia?

I'd say Russia and Israel are almost exactly alike in behaviour.

hamas is a terrosist organisation.

Hamas is a democratically elected organisation. You might not like it, Israel might not like it, the world might not like it, I don't like it - but they are democratically elected representatives of their people.

 

[hotbmw]

They represent the most densified place on Earth. Do you honestly expect them to go out on the plains, or understand the logistics aside from what the propaganda has filled your head with?

well then of course there will be many palestine civilians killed if hamas is in amongst the civilians, in hospitals etc

I'd say Russia and Israel are almost exactly alike in behaviour.

maybe some similarities but israel is doing what it needs to for its peoples existance. russia could live peacefully if it wanted to, no suicide bombers from georgia or ukraine but still it chooses to be the big pig it is.

Hamas is a democratically elected organisation. You might not like it, Israel might not like it, the world might not like it, I don't like it - but they are democratically elected representatives of their people.

well if its not fit to run itself it needs to be squashed before its a big pest and unsquashable!

just my 2 cents. who knows what hamas can be in a few decades. we have enough extremists in the world now as it is. this is dangerous times for us all.

 

[Macquack]

With the death toll of Palestinians now at 512 and a total of 5 Israelis killed since last Saturday, when the Israeli campaign began.
-guardian.co.uk Monday 5 January 2009 07.20 GMT

Israel is out doing Hitler's "collective punishment" ratio of 50 to 1.
" Hitler ordered that 50 civilians be executed for each German soldier killed ".

Israel has doubled that ratio to 100 to 1.

"Collective punishment" is not self defense.

The once "oppressed" have become the "oppressors"

Shame on you Israel.

 

[The Muffin Man]

With the death toll of Palestinians now at 512 and a total of 5 Israelis killed since last Saturday, when the Israeli campaign began.
-guardian.co.uk Monday 5 January 2009 07.20 GMT

Israel is out doing Hitler's "collective punishment" ratio of 50 to 1.
" Hitler ordered that 50 civilians be executed for each German soldier killed ".

Israel has doubled that ratio to 100 to 1.

"Collective punishment" is not self defense.

The once "oppressed" have become the "oppressors"

Shame on you Israel.

Incorrect analogy. Hitler ordered 50 civilians to be killed for every German soldier.

512 Palestinians have been killed, but a majority have been Hamas soldiers, not civilians. Hamas soldiers are legitimate targets in the eyes of Israel, and if these soldiers chose to mingle dangerously closely to civilians, whos fault is that?

In any event, why are you punishing Israel for having greater firepower? You don't think Hamas fighters would be using greater firepower if it was available to them?

 

[Macquack]

if these soldiers chose to mingle dangerously closely to civilians, whos fault is that?

It sure as hell is not the fault of the innocent civilians.

 

[Stormin_Norman]

In any event, why are you punishing Israel for having greater firepower? You don't think Hamas fighters would be using greater firepower if it was available to them?

solution: give them F-16s and some artillery with depleted uranium shells.

 

[nick2fish]

8...... is the number of years that Israel has been putting up these rocket attacks from over the fence.

Doses a country not have a right to defend itself ?

Is there a number of citizens that have to die before you can react?

Actions always bring reaction and I'll reinterate....

If you can't stand the heat, don't light the fire.

All Arabs should be joined in providing opportuntity for Palestine growth and development.

Forget the past, its the future thats important for all living now.

 

[Largesse]

It sure as hell is not the fault of the innocent civilians.

yeh, was about to say......

based on that logic if a terrorist runs into a hospital full of people its ok to level the hospital?
nuh uh....

 

[Largesse]

8...... is the number of years that Israel has been putting up these rocket attacks from over the fence.

Doses a country not have a right to defend itself ?

Is there a number of citizens that have to die before you can react?

Actions always bring reaction and I'll reinterate....

If you can't stand the heat, don't light the fire.

All Arabs should be joined in providing opportuntity for Palestine growth and development.

Forget the past, its the future thats important for all living now.

50... is the number of years the Palestinians have lived under the oppression of the Zionist Israeli state.

 

[Stormin_Norman]

62.

number of UN security council resolutions israel is in breach of.

 

[roland]

This is an interesting read from the Council on Foriegn Relations backgrounding Hamas and some history regarding the circumstances of their rise to influence in Palestine. http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/#6

It is well worth following the links in the text passages for further reading.

It seems that this conflict has been building for quite some time and the overtones on the articles indicate that the current situation was contrived.

Draw your own conclusions.

 

[nick2fish]

50... is the number of years the Palestinians have lived under the oppression of the Zionist Israeli state.

And it will be 50 more if Hamas continues to use the sword to acheive thier rightful destiny.

Interestly Israel sites security concerns as the major stumbling block to signing off on a Palestine statehood

Crazy is it not ???

IMO the past has happened and in this case cannot and will not be reversed

So fight or talk and unfortunatly Israel is very good at one and not so good at the other.

I'm for peace and an end to the killing, but not so naive as to expect Israel to fail in its duty to protect its citizens and their right to exist.