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lucas said:
you are a nice guy, but it is not simple.

Rid yourself of all religion (doesn't mean hate those still in need of help).

Be balanced - as I have tried to be (and failed obviously, but I try...)

And never - ever - ask for retribution.
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Well, i agree with all you have said here. For once we are in agreement!
 
...and are you glad to be as beautiful as the panda and the ant and to have stopped your human ridiculousness?

Welcome to atheism! We are not at all devoid of sunsets and beauty! In fact we watch them knowing we haven't killed anyone or want to.

Please be part of our loveliness!
 
It is pacifism not atheism.
 

Great post Lucas! I agree.

It reminders of that lovely song Why cant we be friends?

 
lucas said:
..and the problem is?
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You are implying that all atheists are peace loving, against war. Which is not the case. Remember those Romans? Those Godless Communist Marxists?

You must be a pacifist to be against war.
 
I dunno. Seriously, I don't know.

I know I don't want to assist people's very suspect beliefs if they include such things as you were born gay and we hate you. I mean total crap.

But I think atheism as a response to war? Yeah, I think there are assholes who believe that we can't say it and I say **** them.
 

Hey man I respect anyone's belief.

I refuse to respect bigotry and Im sure there are many on this blog who have been subject to all kinds of bigotry. Dont worry mate, from childhood I can seriously understand where your coming from. I agree they can go and take a long jump off a short pier!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfFMZ7Y-s_c

If we can prove that Israel, not Hamas, broke the ceasefire agreed to in mid-June, then we can conclude that Israel is in violation of international law and should be held accountable. The above video is proof of this.

Now we can completely discount this spurious idea that Israel is justified in attacking Gaza. Israel is only interested in socially suffocating the Gazan people.
 
I don't know if you are at all right there.... you could look at that the attack on Hamas soldiers while engaged in tunnel building as a legitimate defensive response. And so it goes on..........
 
Its nothing to do with aethism and all to do with pacifism. But seriously, just watching the news about gaza tonight makes me sick. What they are doing there is totally sick. To hell with all of u who try to justify it in anyway. Its downright wrong. They are using white phosphorous on a city - that just makes me sick and angry at what is going on. It is totally wrong and against any form of humanity. This madness has to stop.
 
Hamas uses women, children and non-military personel as human shields. They are commiting war crimes and refuse to accept peace with Israel or Judaism in the region. They have stated that they love death like the Israelis love life. Considering that this is the case i am baffled as to why the west fall for the sympathy propaganda which only strenthens Hamas and others like them. Property is used as the reason but it is not the only thing.
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
Hamas uses women, children and non-military personel as human shields.
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Can you show some evidence of this in the current confilict. Are all women and children murdered by Israeli troops Hamas props?

Considering that this is the case i am baffled as to why the west fall for the sympathy propaganda which only strenthens Hamas and others like them. Property is used as the reason but it is not the only thing.
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Considering that Israeli attacks are killing hundreds of women and children (920 deaths, 4200 casualties according to UN reports) I find it pretty easy to see why the propoganda you are pushing isn't being swallowed. Plus of course that the last lot of serious propoganda used to justify mass murder in the middle east was the Iraq WMD story which turned out to be a crock of sh*te.

Meanwhile there have been 13 Israeli soldiers killed.
 
Your bias in red is clear and not to be considered resonable to debate with.
 
I don't know what pacifism has to do with a war in which neither side will stop fighting. The point I tried to make about atheism has been missed completely by some. Not that it was all that deep. Never mind.

I am starting to think that Obama will put a temporary stop to it - that is if he actually does become president and that birth certificate of his isn't his undoing...all very strange.
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
Your bias in red is clear and not to be considered resonable to debate with.
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Because you are afraid of rational debate. The "bias" you indicate was a statement of proven fact. In the meantime you have made unsubstantiated allegations against Hamas in your prior post which I legitimately questioned and I also gave reliable evidence (unless you dispute UN figures) that at this point in time this is a one sided conflict.

But you are welcome and entitled in a free world to stick to your own myopic viewpoint and hide behind your unsubstantiated allegations.
 
cuttlefish said:
In the meantime you have made unsubstantiated allegations against Hamas in your prior post which I legitimately questioned and I also gave reliable evidence (unless you dispute UN figures) that at this point in time this is a one sided conflict.
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You are very emotional tonight.
Go back through the thread and there is plenty of linked info. It is also common knowledge. If it is a one sided conflict then who is fighting themselves?
 
It's not that I don't agree with those who point to Israel's heavyhanded approach. But how can anyone say this is a one-sided conflict (at this point in time??? What can that possibly mean?).

Being unable to see that both sides are part of the problem is the myopic view, and Snake is right.

If there were three rallies in town, pro Hamas and Palestine, pro Israel, and an anti-war protest that took no sides, I would think it unconscionable for any reasonable, educated person to add their weight to the first.
 
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