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Israel in the Gaza Strip

it's also a bit of a trap as well, because unlike christianity, the punishment for leaving islam is death. religion of peace and tolerance for sure
 

Are u for real? I recommend you read "No God but God" by Raja Ezlan. It will enlighten u and lift u out of your ignorance on this religion,
 
Are u for real? I recommend you read "No God but God" by Raja Ezlan. It will enlighten u and lift u out of your ignorance on this religion,

Correction - author of the book is Reza Aslan. Its an easy ready and pretty balanced. Lots of work put into it and well referenced. Overall excellent book on Islamic history and development.
 
With a title like "No God But God", how could that book ever be a balanced work? Why have you chosen to put your critical faculties on permanent ice?
 
You are well and truly clueless.

Worked with a Pakistani engineer and asked him about this, he said if he chose to leave Islam it would be extremely dangerous to return back to Pakistan.
 
In today's Telegraph (understand that I am only posting what is in the headlines, without opinion);

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...aza-safe-house-full-off-evacuees-says-UN.html

 
With a title like "No God But God", how could that book ever be a balanced work? Why have you chosen to put your critical faculties on permanent ice?

Lucas, dont judge a book by its title or cover. Read first and then judge. It is a moderate take on the religion. Points out both the positive and negative aspects of Islam and its growth including the fanatical aspect. You will feel truly embarrased by your comment after reading it I assure you. No offence, but saying the book is not balanced based on what it is called is juvenile and downright brainless.
 
Are u for real? I recommend you read "No God but God" by Raja Ezlan. It will enlighten u and lift u out of your ignorance on this religion,
I've read the book and while very good I don't believe it is the view of most people in the Middle East who are more dogmatic and fundamental in their beliefs about the history of Islam and in interpreting the Koran in the modern word. Interesting to note that this person grew up in the States and completed all their education there.

As for the title not being important, it actually is. It is the basis of Islam and an indication of it's inability to accept other cultures and people, like most other hardline cults.


(On a Mod note, please stop playing the man and argue your point without resorting to personal abuse. Thanks.)
 
In today's Telegraph (understand that I am only posting what is in the headlines, without opinion);

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...aza-safe-house-full-off-evacuees-says-UN.html

Maybe a better balanced perspective.


So... putting my Conflict Resolution hat on, and bearing in mind that to resolve a conflict one has to apply rigid logic and common sense as enshrined in Common Law as is the basis of International Law... one has to again ask what do Hamas want in order to cease fire... again the only clue to an answer they have ever given is the annihilation of Israel.

The Palastine president Abbas is clearly interested in a cease fire but since Hamas have the guns and insist on continuing on shooting, one really has to wonder what the Palastine people want.

I wonder what answer a secret ballot in the region would give!
 
In today's Telegraph (understand that I am only posting what is in the headlines, without opinion);

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...aza-safe-house-full-off-evacuees-says-UN.html

Maybe a better balanced perspective.


So... putting my Conflict Resolution hat on, and bearing in mind that to resolve a conflict one has to apply rigid logic and common sense as enshrined in Common Law as is the basis of International Law... one has to again ask what do Hamas want in order to cease fire... again the only clue to an answer they have ever given is the annihilation of Israel.

The Palastine president Abbas is clearly interested in a cease fire but since Hamas have the guns and insist on continuing on shooting, one really has to wonder what the Palastine people want.

I wonder what answer a secret ballot in the region would give!

PS: If Hamas has the palastine peoples interest at heart, why don't they get out of the populated areas to fight Israels army... but I guess there's too much 'innocent civilian casualities propaganda' to be made by them keeping innocent civilians between them and Israeli soldiers.
 
No offence, but saying the book is not balanced based on what it is called is juvenile and downright brainless.

I'm not offended.

"Hi guys, I'm Reza Azlan, and I've just written this balanced look about a bunch of people whose credo is "Nobody is right except us" and guess what? It's the title of the book. You'll just love it! And I believe it too."

Or are you saying that he is simply an enthusiast? ("No Car But Holden"). I don't think so. Life is too short to bother with such extreme viewpoints.
 

Whiskers, you talk about "conflict resolution" and attempt to take an educated approach to the current situation. However, the major concern at the moment is "civilian casualties", so dont dismiss the core issue by referring to it as "innocent civilian casualities propaganda"

Innocent civilian casualties ARE NOT "propaganda".
 
If the Israelis have been ordered by their Western masters to halt bombing they should do as they are told.
 
Since Hamas has officially rejected the UN ceasefire, they are officially complicit in those deaths and wounded figures.

Actually, Macquack, although I take the underlying point you are making; innocent civilian casualties can be propaganda (just read UB's comments) - repellent as that may be. You might say, "all's fair in love and war".
 
Whiskers is just putting his bias on display.

Conflict resolution hat? Pffffft!
 
If the Israelis have been ordered by their Western masters to halt bombing they should do as they are told.
Hi numbercruncher, how is your leg going?

When is the USA going to stop pandering to Israel?

Late Thursday the UN Security Council voted overwhelmingly to call for an immmediate ceasefire in Gaza leading to a withdrawal of Israeli troops.
The 15-member council passed the agreement by 14-0 at the UN headquarters in New York following days of intense haggling by foreign ministers.

The United States - Israel's closest ally - abstained in the vote (AGAIN).
 

Perhaps they are the only country in the Council that believes - above and beyond the need to stop fighting - that a state has the right to defend itself.

I disagree with it, but perhaps America wants to be able to use that position to defend its own actions one day and reserves that right.
 
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