This is an amazing point. So you have an army bombing the hell out of a city and the ones to blame are the people sending their kids to school during this bombing campaign. What a twisted view on the matter. For Your Information Roland - no schools were in operation during this bombing campaign, people, children were camped in these schools as many of them are run by the UN and they were seeking shelter there rather than staying at home which is in theyre minds far riskier than staying at home and rightly so. Do you seriously believe that they intentionally were sending theyre kids to school to potentially be killed to elicit sympathy from the international community? This is a warped viewpoint - you are actually implying that these people are almost sub-human.
It's yet to be determined why the UN school was attacked. Any fair-minded person would not leap to judgement before the attack was fully investigated.
Hamas is unable to inflict military defeat upon Israel, I think everyone can agree on that. Hamas will have victories, but the superior military will win the day. So I ask myself, what kind of victory can Hamas achieve? A victory based on perception of course. Try and paint the IDF and Israel as a whole as an evil monster that does nothing but bombard innocent civilians, and you get international condemnation and a whirlwind of hatred towards Israel. A very good strategy. How would one go about painting Israel as such a monster?
It is an horrendous statistic, rowie, you are right. It doesn't alter the understanding that you cannot draw out who is ultimately right and wrong from such a stat.
Neither side is innocent here, but the Israelis seem to be selecting military targets based on some sort of intelligence. Hamas seem to be firing rockets TOTALLY indiscimanetly into civilian targets.
That is where the difference lies in this conflict.
One is a military organisation conducting war according to the Geneva Conventions. (From what I've seen)
One is a declared terrorist organisation.
You are right that you cant draw based on these stats who is right and wrong. Clearly this can be determined by looking at the fact that the Palestinians are under occupation and control and that land that is rightfully theirs has been taken away from them. And every UN resolution since 1967 recognises this and recognises the right for palestinians to claim this land. And yet Israel does not comply and in fact takes more land. Simple enough to conclude who is right and wrong.
I believe it is reasonable to understand that information can be gathered without the ability to physically stop that which is known. So it seems they are now stopping it as they have every right to.Interesting that the Israelis know everything that goes on in Gaza....definitive info on human shields ,arms cachments...but were never able to stop militants firing rockets.
Maybe their information falls well short of their propaganda?
If we want any info on human shields it would have to come from an independent source eg the UN...certainly not from Israelis.
They have,and do,use any tactic to justify their slaughter.
Hamas Executes Gaza Residents for Helping Israel
The only hope is for an immediate ceasefire, and more dialogue.
some of you people are unreal...take your rose coloured glasses off...
what you have is a islamic militia 50% voted by the gazans,then they took over in a coup...intent is obvious.holding the population to ransom.
hamas will never reounounce violence & do not recognise israel...
anyone who thinks dialogue & smoking the peace pipe between these 2 will solve the problems is deluding themselves...big time
in the long run the israelis are doing the gazans a huge favour...getting rid of these gangsters...& dont start this wasis bs as this has got nothing to do with race its all about idealolgy race means not a thing...any ceasefire will only give hamas time to regroup now Is the time to crush them for good...tb
Hello rowie,In the 2006 elections, Hamas actually won 74 seats to Fatahs 45. It was accurately considered a landslide victory for Hamas. So please check your facts and make an informed comment with accurate information. It is misleading otherwise. Hamas has alot of support as they spend a large portion of their annual budget (which isnt much) on various social welfare and education programmes within the occupied territories. Further, Hamas are well regarded by Palestinians for its efficiency and perceived lack of corruption compared to Fatah. So please dont paint an inaccurate picture by saying they are a bunch of gangsters, it is totally inaccurate.
some of you people are unreal...take your rose coloured glasses off...
what you have is a islamic militia 50% voted by the gazans,then they took over in a coup...intent is obvious.holding the population to ransom.
hamas will never reounounce violence & do not recognise israel...
anyone who thinks dialogue & smoking the peace pipe between these 2 will solve the problems is deluding themselves...big time
in the long run the israelis are doing the gazans a huge favour...getting rid of these gangsters...& dont start this wasis bs as this has got nothing to do with race its all about idealolgy race means not a thing...any ceasefire will only give hamas time to regroup now Is the time to crush them for good...tb
Hello rowie,
With respect to the education programmes to what extent is the teaching of peace and tolerance part of the curriculum? And on child abuse and war crimes perpetrated by Hamas (where is the left, have they gone silent on real issues?) to what extent is that not part of the curriculum in their education programmes?
I'll draw your attention to child abuse in Hamas land:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=JhVDwrfoTOg
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=s70KlZwb9RE&feature=related
rowie...you make me laugh!excuse me ill just amend that 50% to 50%+ will i?
as i said...get real & take the rose coloured glasses off.have a real good hard look at the problem instead of the usual propaganda getting put about.
well regarded,social welfare etc...your embarrassing yourself,take a val & have a lay down...actually make that a rowie
Get informed on the issues and facts first, dont bother otherwise.
This video from Youtube shall show what is informative:Your a joke who clearly is ill informed or has not taken the time or effort to educate yourself. The only one wearing glasses that is warping your viewpoint is you. Propoganda - seems the one swallowing it hook line and sinker is you. Get informed on the issues and facts first, dont bother otherwise. You and your rose coloured glasses...pffft.
No. That is the problematic attitude.What will it take for you to see that THIS attitude IS the problem? Even if you were correct, and there is ample evidence that you are not, but even if you were, what hope do you give the "wrong" side capitulating and saying political sorry? Or making concessions they are unwilling to make already?
The Vietnam War ended not because one side was right or wrong, but because one side lost. Is that what you want in this war? Israel cannot lose this war or they cease to exist. That is one reason they are so intransigent.
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