Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[Value Collector]

You understand what "new" means as in New Testament ?

The verse I mentioned is in the king James bible he held up

You always kick Christianity,

Tink I kick all religion, they are all silly and deserve to be laughed at, what I am against is unfairly targeting the innocent people of one religion, and trying to remove rights from them just because they happen to be born into that religion.

All I am saying here is that if society is going to label a young muslim man that shoots some one an islamic terrorist, why don't they label the christian man a christian terrorist.

When they thought that the murders had been done by a muslim guy, the media quickly used the terrorist label, but it was drop when it was found out the guy was white.

Have you ever travelled to an Islamic Country?
How are your freedoms there?

Yes, a couple of them actually, experiences vary, but the majority of the locals in my experience are pretty friendly, we are all just people after all, if you are thinking all muslims are terrorist you are wrong.

 

[Tisme]

The verse I mentioned is in the king James bible he held up

That's like saying amended legislation is not valid because only the original holds true.

Was it Deuteronomy that went on about shall not kill?

 

[Tisme]

Yes, a couple of them actually, experiences vary, but the majority of the locals in my experience are pretty friendly, we are all just people after all, if you are thinking all muslims are terrorist you are wrong.

And if their mullahs insisted they grab a rifle and kill in the name of Allah?

 

[SirRumpole]

if you are thinking all muslims are terrorist you are wrong.

I doubt if any "true Australian" believes that, but the problem is that ideology corrupts and the ideology of Islam has certainly shown to have a corrupting influence on people who would otherwise be regarded by others as moderate.

Christianity has the moderating influence of the New Testament (can you point to anywhere where Jesus said go out and kill your enemies ?), and anyway Western society is getting more secular with more people giving up religion, except for Muslims where it is imposed on them by fear of being called apostates and then being hunted down.

Therefore, it's not valid to compare Christianity and Islam. If you are born to Muslim parents you are a Muslim and expected to conform with Islamic law for the rest of your life or else, whereas people like me who was sent to Christian Sunday school can walk away from church any time and not be threatened by religious police.

Islam is incompatible with Western law and culture, which is why it's effect must be diluted, and the best way to do that is not let any more Muslims into the country.

 

[Ves]

Was it Deuteronomy that went on about shall not kill?

Think it's Exodus and Deuteronomy.

 

[noco]

I doubt if any "true Australian" believes that, but the problem is that ideology corrupts and the ideology of Islam has certainly shown to have a corrupting influence on people who would otherwise regard themselves as moderate.

Christianity has the moderating influence of the New Testament (can you point to anywhere where Jesus said go out and kill your enemies ?), and anyway Western society is getting more secular with more people giving up religion, except for Muslims where it is imposed on them by fear of being called apostates and being hunted down.

Therefore, it's not valid to compare Christianity and Islam. If you are born to Muslim parents you are a Muslim and expected to conform with Islamic law for the rest of your life or else, whereas people like me who was sent to Christian Sunday school can walk away from church any time and not be threatened by religious police.

Islam is incompatible with Western law and culture, which is why it's effect must be diluted, and the best way to do that is not let any more Muslims into the country.

Geez Rumpy, we are good mates again......I am with you all the way on this one....On this occasion we agree to agree......

 

[SirRumpole]

Geez Rumpy, we are good mates again......I am with you all the way on this one....On this occasion we agree to agree......

You don't know how good that makes me feel.

 

[noco]

You don't know how good that makes me feel.

You are welcome.

 

[Tisme]

You are welcome.

Meanwhile I see Trump is deploying the national guard to root out illegals and undesirables....... look out migrants.

 

[Value Collector]

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Was it Deuteronomy that went on about shall not kill?

Even the muslims have thou shalt not kill

Though out christian history, thou shalt not kill was interpreted as "thou shalt not murder", it didn't apply to justified killings.

for example Moses, is the one that spoke to god and got the 10 commandments, that said thou shalt not kill, but in the next chapter Moses lead an Amy to go and kill thousands of people,

 

[Value Collector]

(can you point to anywhere where Jesus said go out and kill your enemies ?),

In Matthew 10:34, Jesus said,

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword"

Now, I have actually heard that verse quoted by an Australian Army Padre (priest), to a group of soldiers when talking about whether killing the enemy in the context of war is "right with god", he also explained that "thou shalt not kill" was really "thou shalt not murder innocent people".

(can you point to anywhere where Jesus said go out and kill your enemies ?), and anyway Western society is getting more secular with more people giving up religion, .

Jesus also stated he didn't come to change any of the old laws, so a person wanting to kill gays or muslims can simply interpret that all the old testament still apply

 

[noco]

Even the muslims have thou shalt not kill

Though out christian history, thou shalt not kill was interpreted as "thou shalt not murder", it didn't apply to justified killings.

for example Moses, is the one that spoke to god and got the 10 commandments, that said thou shalt not kill, but in the next chapter Moses lead an Amy to go and kill thousands of people,

VC, need I remind you this 2017....A lot of water has flowed under the bridge in 2017 years.

Confucius says, "You cannot undo the past but you can control the future".

Now isn't that a better idea?

 

[SirRumpole]

A former Muslim writes about Islam.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/...aks-out-about-the-koran-dilemma/?mobile=false

 

[Value Collector]

A lot of water has flowed under the bridge in 2017 years.

Well christianity isn't anywhere near that old anyway, and the killings in the name of christianity happen to this day.

But my point was, that the fact christianity says "Thou shalt not kill" doesn't make it better than islam, because islam says that to.

 

[Value Collector]

A former Muslim writes about Islam.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/...aks-out-about-the-koran-dilemma/?mobile=false

A lot of christians also think of no believers as second class citizens.

 

[SirRumpole]

A lot of christians also think of no believers as second class citizens.

Do they try to kill them though ?

 

[Value Collector]

Do they try to kill them though ?

Yes, as I said that Canadian guy charged into a mosque and killed a group of muslims.

I uploaded a video of christians burning an old lady they claimed was a "Witch"

Here is a christian couple who's christian teachings lead them to beat their child to death.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yes, as I said that Canadian guy charged into a mosque and killed a group of muslims.

I uploaded a video of christians burning an old lady they claimed was a "Witch"

Here is a christian couple who's christian teachings lead them to beat their child to death.

The most famous is Proverbs 13:24: “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.” Proverbs 23:13-14 offers this bit of Old Testament parenting advice: “Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Old Testament.

 

[Value Collector]

The most famous is Proverbs 13:24: “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.” Proverbs 23:13-14.

Yeah, basically guilting parents into beating their children, and undermining any newer techniques.

for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Yep, except sometimes they do die.

Old Testament.

Heaps of christian read proverbs, and other Old Testament stuff.

do you think the rules and advice from the Old Testament are irrelevant? where do you think the 10 commandments come from?

As you can see a lot of christians take Old Testament advice seriously, I have heard heaps of christians say "spare the rod and you will spoil the child" etc

 

[Value Collector]

Hahahaha, I just stumbled across this.

If people here think they know what a christian is, and what they preach in their church etc and think they aren't thinking about the Old Testament, watch this.

I christian preacher carrying a fire arm, preaching that all his flock should own a weapon, quotes both Old and New testament.

The scary part is this is the same guy that preaches that gays deserve death, and the only thing wrong with the Florida massacre was that more gays didn't die.