Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[Tisme]

I guess Tink and Australians of genuine faith are right to worry about the country going secular and forgetting God and religion.

I mean, if we're ever attacked or invaded, how could we ever be roused to anger and find the courage to go defend our country if God's no longer in our lives.

Nice trolling McGregor.

It's not trolling ..... religious interference was specifically written out of our constitution for a reason. That reason is that it is a poison on egalitarian societies and swings in the breeze depending on the political environment of the time.

That you don't value the wisdom from bloody experience our national builders and the prejudices they had, does not make you right. There are some things that should not be tinkered with and one big one is accepting appeasement of barbarians in the hope their primitive mindsets will evolve from the rat cunning, guile and barbarity of 1&1/2 millennia ago in the space of one generation; even in Ochertown Oz.

 

[noco]

All religious nuts are harmful to a civil society noco. That includes Muslim nutjobs as well as other religious fanatics.

When people break the law and commit crimes and act of terrorism, we have law to deal with that. No one says it's fine and good as long as your religion permit it.

So what are these other religions you state that are involved in terrorist acts?

 

[luutzu]

I hope you are joking.

Not really.

It is a joke though to think that Western civilisation and democracy can be brought down by the likes of ISIS and Arab terrorists.

They will help bring us down in term of them being fodders for our (US) never ending military adventures and domestic militarised security forces. That will blunt any defence analysts and security personnel; it will drain and waste our treasuries and exhaust our collective will.

Then a serious power, say, China... can just kick our azzes or throw sand in our face and there's not much we can do beside bringing civilisation to a nuclear winter.

 

[luutzu]

So what are these other religions you state that are involved in terrorist acts?

Didn't some White Christian Canadian just recently went into a Mosque and murder a half dozen Muslims?

Should we call Christian values into question because of that idiot?

When we fly over other people's sky and whenever we feel like it, press a button and anyone of them could get blown up... that's not terrorism?

So we should grow up and start condemning violence and terrorism from all "side"... that might bring about peace.

 

[Wysiwyg]

When a religion demands obedience in the face of physical and cohort harm, the vulgar reality of barbarity within believers will show it's hand. You may not be susceptible to control, but these people are in a constant state of subliminal readiness for instruction and mark my words they will turn on community and polite society if their oracles demand it.

I connect with this view above from Tisme. The "Islamic revival" is definitely being challenged now. I choose less control and greater freedoms.

 

[luutzu]

It's not trolling ..... religious interference was specifically written out of our constitution for a reason. That reason is that it is a poison on egalitarian societies and swings in the breeze depending on the political environment of the time.

That you don't value the wisdom from bloody experience our national builders and the prejudices they had, does not make you right. There are some things that should not be tinkered with and one big one is accepting appeasement of barbarians in the hope their primitive mindsets will evolve from the rat cunning, guile and barbarity of 1&1/2 millennia ago in the space of one generation; even in Ochertown Oz.

Yea, that's why we ought not to use religion as a criteria in deciding who can enter or be citizens or hold certain office.

When we start to decide that a certain religion is no good because its Holy Book says this and that, we might start to examine the Bible and ban our Christian selves from holding any office or entering Australia

 

[Tisme]

Yea, that's why we ought not to use religion as a criteria in deciding who can enter or be citizens or hold certain office.

When we start to decide that a certain religion is no good because its Holy Book says this and that, we might start to examine the Bible and ban our Christian selves from holding any office or entering Australia

You seem to be having trouble understanding the difference between religion and a cultural nation. Islam is not merely a religion, it is a political, social, etc construct that is not geographically bounded. It does not have allegiance to sovereign borders and laws.

It may hide within the established society as a brood parasite but it cannot assimilate and stay to its doctrine.

 

[noco]

Didn't some White Christian Canadian just recently went into a Mosque and murder a half dozen Muslims?

Should we call Christian values into question because of that idiot?

When we fly over other people's sky and whenever we feel like it, press a button and anyone of them could get blown up... that's not terrorism?

So we should grow up and start condemning violence and terrorism from all "side"... that might bring about peace.

Maybe that white Christian Canadian may have had a mental problem and a lone wolf to do such an act...A one off situation but you bring that out into the light to condone multiple Islamic barbarity.

With your regard to flying over peoples skies and dropping bombs, they are generally targeted at some ISIS strong hold in the ME, not in Australia, and quite often when ISIS are using children as human shields the bombing is abandoned.

You seem to continually have the wrong slant on Islamic terrorism with your constant defense of what they do.

Why aren't the "MODERATE MUSLIMS" condemning their brotherhood for the horrific acts imposed upon Christians and infidels......Horrific acts imposed upon their own people of female genital mutilation, the beheading in public of Muslims who condemn the Koran, who chop off kids hands for stealing, who stone to death a woman adulterer, old Muslim men who marry and sexually abuse a 10 year old girl.

You appear to turn a blind eye to all this.

 

[SirRumpole]

You seem to be having trouble understanding the difference between religion and a cultural nation. Islam is not merely a religion, it is a political, social, etc construct that is not geographically bounded. It does not have allegiance to sovereign borders and laws.

It may hide within the established society as a brood parasite but it cannot assimilate and stay to its doctrine.

Quite right. In Muslim countries Islam IS the law. No bothering with freedom of religion (apart from Islam), freedom of speech, freedom of association, separation of powers, secularism etc, it's tow the Islamic line or we'll kill you.

That's a doctrine I wouldn't like to see spreading here.

 

[luutzu]

You seem to be having trouble understanding the difference between religion and a cultural nation. Islam is not merely a religion, it is a political, social, etc construct that is not geographically bounded. It does not have allegiance to sovereign borders and laws.

It may hide within the established society as a brood parasite but it cannot assimilate and stay to its doctrine.

Oh, so Islam is like one big parasitic snake. One that work together, fight and die together as brothers in arm.. .where if you hurt one you hurt them all. Stuff like that?

They don't fight each other? They don't have dictators and the elite and other norms of any society and culture?

You reading history or the Murdoch press?

 

[luutzu]

Quite right. In Muslim countries Islam IS the law. No bothering with freedom of religion (apart from Islam), freedom of speech, freedom of association, separation of powers, secularism etc, it's tow the Islamic line or we'll kill you.

That's a doctrine I wouldn't like to see spreading here.

That's why it's a "Muslim" country. Arab countries on the other hand...

 

[noco]

Quite right. In Muslim countries Islam IS the law. No bothering with freedom of religion (apart from Islam), freedom of speech, freedom of association, separation of powers, secularism etc, it's tow the Islamic line or we'll kill you.

That's a doctrine I wouldn't like to see spreading here.

Yes, but they are trying hard and the more who come into Australia the bigger muscles they get to impose their laws by demonstrating and rioting as we have witnessed in recent days.

Stop any further Muslim immigration or we will all suffer.

 

[luutzu]

Maybe that white Christian Canadian may have had a mental problem and a lone wolf to do such an act...A one off situation but you bring that out into the light to condone multiple Islamic barbarity.

With your regard to flying over peoples skies and dropping bombs, they are generally targeted at some ISIS strong hold in the ME, not in Australia, and quite often when ISIS are using children as human shields the bombing is abandoned.

You seem to continually have the wrong slant on Islamic terrorism with your constant defense of what they do.

Why aren't the "MODERATE MUSLIMS" condemning their brotherhood for the horrific acts imposed upon Christians and infidels......Horrific acts imposed upon their own people of female genital mutilation, the beheading in public of Muslims who condemn the Koran, who chop off kids hands for stealing, who stone to death a woman adulterer, old Muslim men who marry and sexually abuse a 10 year old girl.

You appear to turn a blind eye to all this.

Dude, I don't condone or excuse any violence or barbarity.

How do you want "Moderate Muslims" to condemn violence and Islamic crazies?

By wanting to get away from those idiots would be a pretty good test. Unless they're all pretending to be running away or something, right?

Just listen to what you just said above... yea, ISIS and terrorists use human shield... so screw that, we'll blow those shield up too. Just to show them how civilised we are.


Stop justifying war and act or terror, from anyone.

Didn't Jesus taught his followers that?

 

[Wysiwyg]

Non-muslims may have become too lax in their ways and need to be reined in.


"According to scholar Olivier Roy,

The call to fundamentalism, centered on the sharia: this call is as old as Islam itself and yet still new because it has never been fulfilled, It is a tendency that is forever setting the reformer, the censor, and tribunal against the corruption of the times and of sovereigns, against foreign influence, political opportunism, moral laxity, and the forgetting of sacred texts."

 

[noco]

Dude, I don't condone or excuse any violence or barbarity.

How do you want "Moderate Muslims" to condemn violence and Islamic crazies?

By wanting to get away from those idiots would be a pretty good test. Unless they're all pretending to be running away or something, right?

Just listen to what you just said above... yea, ISIS and terrorists use human shield... so screw that, we'll blow those shield up too. Just to show them how civilised we are.


Stop justifying war and act or terror, from anyone.

Didn't Jesus taught his followers that?

A Muslim is a Muslim whether they be a moderate or a terrorist...They all believe and practice what is in the Koran...The kids are brainwashed every day so what will they think and believe when they become adults?

Do you ever hear or read in the media where a moderate Muslim condemns an act of Islamic terror?

Do you ever hear of a moderate Muslim condemning what I have already outlined regarding female genital mutilation etc, etc, etc.

I have heard of one or two Muslim women who have escaped from Islam and who I believe will live in fear for the rest of their lives....It is death to any Muslim who leaves.

If they did, they would soon be eliminated make no mistake about that.

 

[luutzu]

A Muslim is a Muslim whether they be a moderate or a terrorist...They all believe and practice what is in the Koran...The kids are brainwashed every day so what will they think and believe when they become adults?

Do you ever hear or read in the media where a moderate Muslim condemns an act of Islamic terror?

Do you ever hear of a moderate Muslim condemning what I have already outlined regarding female genital mutilation etc, etc, etc.

I have heard of one or two Muslim women who have escaped from Islam and who I believe will live in fear for the rest of their lives....It is death to any Muslim who leaves.

If they did, they would soon be eliminated make no mistake about that.

So what type of Christian are you noco? The same as all other Christians (except the psychotic terrorist, anti-gay, End Time, Evangelical and generally bad kind of Christian?)

Don't tell me you don't read the Bible and don't much believe in God and our Lord Jesus. And don't tell me you haven't gone out there telling the world that this and that other crazy White people's crazies aren't what you and other White people are all about.

How moderate or radical are you as a Christian and true blue Aussie?

It's a bit much when you think about it.

 

[luutzu]

Non-muslims may have become too lax in their ways and need to be reined in.


"According to scholar Olivier Roy,

The call to fundamentalism, centered on the sharia: this call is as old as Islam itself and yet still new because it has never been fulfilled, It is a tendency that is forever setting the reformer, the censor, and tribunal against the corruption of the times and of sovereigns, against foreign influence, political opportunism, moral laxity, and the forgetting of sacred texts."

Yea mate, we got to get with the programme.

I mean, why would our military and Uncle Sam ever go to war for any other reason than defending our freedom. Why would any military ever wage wars in countries that just happen to have the world's largest source of energy reserves and strategic significance.

We all ought to know that we're fighting evil and extremists, it just happens that these extremists live atop huge, hugggeeee, reserves of oil and gas... and have not much of a military to do much about any invasion - except for Iran, but they're put on notice lately so no biggies.

 

[noco]

So what type of Christian are you noco? The same as all other Christians (except the psychotic terrorist, anti-gay, End Time, Evangelical and generally bad kind of Christian?)

Don't tell me you don't read the Bible and don't much believe in God and our Lord Jesus. And don't tell me you haven't gone out there telling the world that this and that other crazy White people's crazies aren't what you and other White people are all about.

How moderate or radical are you as a Christian and true blue Aussie?

It's a bit much when you think about it.

Luu, for your information, I was Christianed and confirmed in the Church of England because my parents were religious.....In my late teens I realized I was mixing with a lot of hypocrites who used religion to cast a shadow over their own sins.

I was once married to a Catholic with bi-polar who converted to Jehovah Witness, who tried to convert me without success.....It was some marriage I kid you not.

Religions have caused so many problems around the World so I became Agnostic....I live a life of my own principles, I don't abuse or mistreat my wife......I abide by the laws of my country and I don't have to worry about someone knocking on my door seeking donations to help build a new church.......I don't have to worry about someone telling me how to live in my twilight years.....I do worry about about my children, grand children and great grand children perhaps having to live a life under Sharia law.

I hope that is enough to satisfy your curious mind.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Yea mate, we got to get with the programme.

I mean, why would our military and Uncle Sam ever go to war for any other reason than defending our freedom. Why would any military ever wage wars in countries that just happen to have the world's largest source of energy reserves and strategic significance.

You know the Iran, Iraq, Kuwait story before then? They fight among themselves and I agree the 'West' should not interfere but the U.S. (world) needs oil or the machines will stop and that supply disruption fear is the reason.

 

[noco]

You know the Iran, Iraq, Kuwait story before then? They fight among themselves and I agree the 'West' should not interfere but the U.S. (world) needs oil or the machines will stop and that supply disruption fear is the reason.

The USA is 90% self sufficient with oil...Why would they bother with the ME oil.