Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[SirRumpole]

I don't hold this view. Australian forces, most notably the special forces are among the most well trained and elite forces in the world. I don't think there's allot of room for the mentally ill among thier ranks.

Have you had any contact with the military to form this opinion ? I quoted an article from an Army commander who pointed out that such people exist in the armed forces and make the better soldiers in terms of killing the enemy.

I'd certainly like to think that our forces are well trained and professional, and in the main I think that's true, but when it comes to actual battle the ability to kill without remorse is obviously an advantage wouldn't you agree ?

What about the SAS bloke who allegedly shot an unarmed prisoner through the head ? Professional ? That's a matter of opinion.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-...ng-special-forces-conduct-afghanistan/7927420

 

[luutzu]

A lot in that article, particularly the first paragraph applies to what I was talking about.

I was in a rifle club during and after WW11 and to remain in the club I had to sign a form committing myself to the allegiance to the king/queen of England that if the war continued or a new conflict arose I would serve in the infantry to kill the enemy where ever it may be and I would not have hesitated to do so.....Does that make me a psychopath?......Of course not......In war you either kill or be killed.....what would your choice be?

Have you heard of one Aussie turning on another Aussie in battle?.......

Army guys are trained to kill as part of their duty and they must follow the line of command....Would you say our SAS soldiers are psychopath because they are highly trained elite men......We currently have an ex SAS in Federal Parliament.

I still say your first post relating to all this is a disgrace to our fighting men and women and an apology is warranted.

BTW....Conscientious objectors who refused to fight for their country were normally sent a white feather in the mail...They were known as pussies.

WW11? Did you just came back from the future?

Both my grandfathers and uncle were in the armed forces. I knew a few people who were also in the armed forces. They never talk about the war. And when they do, it's about how freakin horrible it is, how they were just lucky to be alive and how their comrades were blown up or suffered and they didn't just because they were a few inches away.

I think soldiers know what and maybe why they're to do what they need to do.. .and some may suffer PTSD, some carried on after the war as normal as they can.

The psychos we're talking about are not the normal soldier, they're the ones that get highs from seeing people blown up or some crazy stuff like that.


And we shouldn't rush to judge those who refuse to fight as "pussies". Sometime it takes a lot more bravery to question your gov't insanity than it is to just follow and do as you're told.

How many politicians would go to the front line or otherwise put their life on the line for any war you care to mention? Not many. Probably none.

But they wouldn't have much trouble sending other people and other kids to go and make that sacrifice.

 

[Tisme]

WW11? Did you just came back from the future?

Both my grandfathers and uncle were in the armed forces. I knew a few people who were also in the armed forces. They never talk about the war. And when they do, it's about how freakin horrible it is, how they were just lucky to be alive and how their comrades were blown up or suffered and they didn't just because they were a few inches away.

I think soldiers know what and maybe why they're to do what they need to do.. .and some may suffer PTSD, some carried on after the war as normal as they can.

The psychos we're talking about are not the normal soldier, they're the ones that get highs from seeing people blown up or some crazy stuff like that.


And we shouldn't rush to judge those who refuse to fight as "pussies". Sometime it takes a lot more bravery to question your gov't insanity than it is to just follow and do as you're told.

How many politicians would go to the front line or otherwise put their life on the line for any war you care to mention? Not many. Probably none.

But they wouldn't have much trouble sending other people and other kids to go and make that sacrifice.

Be interesting to see who had active service in actual war theatres and served in parliament. John Gorton is famous as a PM who suffered a smashed in face after his plane crashed in a dogfight, but still went on to fly planes for the cause. There must be others who saw combat.

I remember the old diggers from WW1 marching on Anzac day .... fairly powerful display of national interest in the sacrifice and distaste for war.

 

[luutzu]

Be interesting to see who had active service in actual war theatres and served in parliament. John Gorton is famous as a PM who suffered a smashed in face after his plane crashed in a dogfight, but still went on to fly planes for the cause. There must be others who saw combat.

I remember the old diggers from WW1 marching on Anzac day .... fairly powerful display of national interest in the sacrifice and distaste for war.

I think we ought to bring back the draft. When sacrifice for war is so random and distribute more equally like that, most wars will be one of absolute necessity.

The current "voluntary" forces put the burden on one sector of the community - usually the poor. And for those of any political influence, they wouldn't care too much since it will never be their kids that's sent to any war. So war can just be declared and can last as long as there's still profit to be made.


It's a big broad stroke but it doesn't seem like the current generation of politicians know what war is, let alone serve in one from the front line. Quite dangerous to have professional lawyers and managers deciding war and peace.

Take the US... I think it's involved in some 6 additional wars since the declaration of war on Iraq. That 6 excludes the drone strikes it operates all over the ME and Africa... and Obama hasn't even bothered to declare war or ask Congress for permission on any of it.

To take wars so lightly like that might make the leadership complacent.I mean, the US can certainly take on any country, but can it take on all of the countries all at once?

 

[Tisme]

I think we ought to bring back the draft. When sacrifice for war is so random and distribute more equally like that, most wars will be one of absolute necessity.

The current "voluntary" forces put the burden on one sector of the community - usually the poor. And for those of any political influence, they wouldn't care too much since it will never be their kids that's sent to any war. So war can just be declared and can last as long as there's still profit to be made.

Apprenticeships were much sought after when the national draft was in place. Of course the Country Party made sure there was a citizen force out for the farm boys.

Seemed to me that the birthday draft had a lot of Aries who went to the campaigns....must look that up one day.

 

[qldfrog]

Warning warning:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-28/driver-dies-after-bus-catches-fire-in-brisbane/7974172
"Superintendent Keogh said a 48-year-old man had been taken into police custody after the attack and while there was "no apparent motive" he has ruled out a link to terrorism."
As soon as I read that last sentence I have alarm bells ringing..This is a sad reflection on my trust in media and so the insert in that thread....
RIP: what an horrible death...

 

[CanOz]

Warning warning:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-28/driver-dies-after-bus-catches-fire-in-brisbane/7974172
"Superintendent Keogh said a 48-year-old man had been taken into police custody after the attack and while there was "no apparent motive" he has ruled out a link to terrorism."
As soon as I read that last sentence I have alarm bells ringing..This is a sad reflection on my trust in media and so the insert in that thread....
RIP: what an horrible death...

Yeah, isn't that aweful....i was thinking WTF would make a person do something like that? Hope they throw away that key....

thats 30 minutes from me...what an aweful week its been for QLD.

 

[Tisme]

Yeah, isn't that aweful....i was thinking WTF would make a person do something like that? Hope they throw away that key....

thats 30 minutes from me...what an aweful week its been for QLD.

Lots of people from Eritrea live in Moorooka

 

[CanOz]

Lots of people from Eritrea live in Moorooka

Well hopefully it was not one of them that perpetrated this awful crime, They've got the worst human rights record in the world....so i just found out on Wiki because i had never heard of the place before....

 

[SirRumpole]

No sane person would do that sort of thing, so you can't rule out a jihadist...

 

[CanOz]

No sane person would do that sort of thing, so you can't rule out a jihadist...

Yup, could be a lone wolf type of thing...perhaps the media and the police are just playing it down for now....

 

[Ves]

Lots of people from Eritrea live in Moorooka

And plenty of washed-up middle aged white guys laced up on meth and all sorts of other wild concoctions.

 

[CanOz]

And plenty of washed-up middle aged white guys laced up on meth and all sorts of other wild concoctions.

Some of the crap that is getting around now thats made in peoples garages is just horrible....in my day we only dropped acid...lol at least it was naturally occurring...

 

[Ves]

Some of the crap that is getting around now thats made in peoples garages is just horrible....in my day we only dropped acid...lol at least it was naturally occurring...

I'm fine with a bit of experimentation, but good luck in this day and age. Who knows what is mixed in...

 

[CanOz]

I'm fine with a bit of experimentation, but good luck in this day and age. Who knows what is mixed in...

Exactly, we certainly didn't have anything that would kill you in one go....scary

 

[Tisme]

Lots of people from Eritrea live in Moorooka

victim:



"Manmeet Alisher, a 29-year-old prominent in Brisbane's Indian community."

 

[qldfrog]

And plenty of washed-up middle aged white guys laced up on meth and all sorts of other wild concoctions.

Moorooka is the Africanised part of Brisbane so my brain association: a lot of previous issues with sudanese youth in the past, with horrific behaviour in term of what we are used to (which is not small with our own drunken white trash bashings on friday nights)
Anyway, was probably a mistake to put this in that thread, I was making a point that when you are told: "terrrorism is excluded" but you have the bomb squad called, it stinks like a covered hush hush as per a lot of french/german past "events"
And it works..sadly... how many australians have heard of any of the previous car rammings into crowd in France before Nice..Not many
Yet Nice was not the first try, previous ones where just officially insane acts...
Anyway, it will be too late for that poor driver
whether caused by a crazy muslim or a crazy white/black/pink or purple.

 

[qldfrog]

victim:

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"Manmeet Alisher, a 29-year-old prominent in Brisbane's Indian community."

RIP

 

[CanOz]

RIP Manmeet ....

 

[SirRumpole]

I hope this wasn't a case of reverse terrorism...