Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[Gringotts Bank]

I get the feeling the US forces enjoy long, drawn-out battles, lasting many decades if possible. And it's taken Russia's "stand aside" attitude to jolt them into action in Syria. Is this correct? I don't know how it works, but that's my impression. Seems like they would have more than enough resources to end ISIS very quickly, but they don't actually do it.

 

[CanOz]

I get the feeling the US forces enjoy long, drawn-out battles, lasting many decades if possible. And it's taken Russia's "stand aside" attitude re:Syria to jolt them into action. Is this correct? I don't know how it works, but that's my impression.

Certainly seems that way, i'm sure the families and armed serviced personal don't enjoy this, but the crooked politicians and arms manufacturers would love it.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Certainly seems that way, i'm sure the families and armed serviced personal don't enjoy this, but the crooked politicians and arms manufacturers would love it.

I remember watching a documentary on special US services and I was stunned but soldiers seemed to really love the action. Like a big video game. If it's fun and engaging you're going to want it to last as long as possible. Sounds strange but that's the impression I got. I can't fathom how a country with all the latest fighting technology could not instantaneously wipe out the enemy as small and poorly equipped as ISIS. Something's not right. People say that ISIS are good at hiding underground, like that's some sort of valid reason for it taking so long! I don't buy that for a second.

Re: politicians. Since they're not there on the ground, I think they just believe whatever the generals tell them. The 'who's on whose side' thing is much more complex than I can understand. Maybe that's more the issue.

 

[luutzu]

I remember watching a documentary on special US services and I was stunned but soldiers seemed to really love the action. Like a big video game. If it's fun and engaging you're going to want it to last as long as possible. Sounds strange but that's the impression I got. I can't fathom how a country with all the latest fighting technology could not instantaneously wipe out the enemy as small and poorly equipped as ISIS. Something's not right. People say that ISIS are good at hiding underground, like that's some sort of valid reason for it taking so long! I don't buy that for a second.

Re: politicians. Since they're not there on the ground, I think they just believe whatever the generals tell them. The 'who's on whose side' thing is much more complex than I can understand. Maybe that's more the issue.

We went into Iraq because of WMD. Remember that one?

No WMD, then we stay because we want to make Iraq a democratic country with liberty etc. etc.

Then we're there because of ISIS...


pretty soon our leaders might figured out we're there because of oil and grand strategy, whatever that is.

 

[SirRumpole]

I remember watching a documentary on special US services and I was stunned but soldiers seemed to really love the action. Like a big video game. If it's fun and engaging you're going to want it to last as long as possible.

I think there are some people in the armed forces who, if they weren't there would probably be out killing people on the streets; ie psychopaths. And lets face it, they are the sort of people the Army needs, people who will kill without compunction or hesitation. The people who actually stop and think what they are doing would be poor soldiers.

 

[noco]

I think there are some people in the armed forces who, if they weren't there would probably be out killing people on the streets; ie psychopaths. And lets face it, they are the sort of people the Army needs, people who will kill without compunction or hesitation. The people who actually stop and think what they are doing would be poor soldiers.

How can you possibly say or even think such evil of our ADF personal.......My youngest son is an ADF person and I am sure he would be horrified to learn of your derogatory filthily remarks denigrating our ADF men and women who are there to protect the likes of you....If we were invaded by a foreign country, you would be the first to be screaming where are our armed forces.

My son served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I think you should demonstrate some decency and apologize, that is if you have any character left in you.

 

[luutzu]

How can you possibly say or even think such evil of our ADF personal.......My youngest son is an ADF person and I am sure he would be horrified to learn of your derogatory filthily remarks denigrating our ADF men and women who are there to protect the likes of you....If we were invaded by a foreign country, you would be the first to be screaming where are our armed forces.

My son served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I think you should demonstrate some decency and apologize, that is if you have any character left in you.

He did say "some people" noco.

And it is true. There are three types of people who join the armed forces:

1. Idealist who honestly want to do good for the world and protect their country;
2. People who want to do good but also see it as an opportunity to learn and gain experience and have a job;
3. Psychopaths

 

[Tisme]

How can you possibly say or even think such evil of our ADF personal.......My youngest son is an ADF person and I am sure he would be horrified to learn of your derogatory filthily remarks denigrating our ADF men and women who are there to protect the likes of you....If we were invaded by a foreign country, you would be the first to be screaming where are our armed forces.

My son served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I think you should demonstrate some decency and apologize, that is if you have any character left in you.

For a fella that spends his time uttering partisan politics, partisan sociology, etc etc you are oddly very quick to lump all armed service personnel into the same pool? Your boy a Swanbourne native?

 

[noco]

He did say "some people" noco.

And it is true. There are three types of people who join the armed forces:

1. Idealist who honestly want to do good for the world and protect their country;
2. People who want to do good but also see it as an opportunity to learn and gain experience and have a job;
3. Psychopaths

Why do you have to answer for Rumpole?...Isn't he big enough to answer for himself?

An army guy can be converted into a psychopath purely from being exposed to a war zone and could finish up with Post traumatic stress disorder.....It was commonly know as "BOMB HAPPY" during WW11.....Unfortunately, many ADF personal with that problem often commit suicide....So IMHO 99% of ADF men and women would enter the armed forces in a very sound mind.

For what it is worth to you and Rumpole, I have seen this problem with my own eyes and had two friends who did commit suicide with PTSD...One after WW11 and one in more recent times who returned from Iraq....Both men were married with children....My own son may have been a candidate but he recognized the problem and with specialists help he is now OK....He is still in the ADF after 25 years service.

I still say Rumpole should apologize for his bad words about the ADF.

 

[noco]

For a fella that spends his time uttering partisan politics, partisan sociology, etc etc you are oddly very quick to lump all armed service personnel into the same pool? Your boy a Swanbourne native?

Tisme, you here again with your laborious rhetoric...Wake up sonny or girlie before it is too late.

 

[luutzu]

Why do you have to answer for Rumpole?...Isn't he big enough to answer for himself?

An army guy can be converted into a psychopath purely from being exposed to a war zone and could finish up with Post traumatic stress disorder.....It was commonly know as "BOMB HAPPY" during WW11.....Unfortunately, many ADF personal with that problem often commit suicide....So IMHO 99% of ADF men and women would enter the armed forces in a very sound mind.

For what it is worth to you and Rumpole, I have seen this problem with my own eyes and had two friends who did commit suicide with PTSD...One after WW11 and one in more recent times who returned from Iraq....Both men were married with children....My own son may have been a candidate but he recognized the problem and with specialists help he is now OK....He is still in the ADF after 25 years service.

I still say Rumpole should apologize for his bad words about the ADF.

He sure is, just he might be offended that you're offended

I don't think anyone would call soldiers suffering from what came to be PTSD as "psychos". It's a serious mental health issue so no kidding there.

The psychopath I was referring to are those who enjoy wars and state sanctioned killing. Not the 'normal" soldier who suffered seeing what they see and forcing to do what they do... that and being put in that kind of stressful position, heck, I'd crack in a few minutes.


But yea, there are psychos and sociopath who join the military for other things than just serving the country and protecting it. Like how there are pyro-something who became firefighters.

Not saying there are many, but there are some... most of them tend to be in senior position Psychos with a Napoleonic complex.

 

[noco]

He sure is, just he might be offended that you're offended

I don't think anyone would call soldiers suffering from what came to be PTSD as "psychos". It's a serious mental health issue so no kidding there.

The psychopath I was referring to are those who enjoy wars and state sanctioned killing. Not the 'normal" soldier who suffered seeing what they see and forcing to do what they do... that and being put in that kind of stressful position, heck, I'd crack in a few minutes.


But yea, there are psychos and sociopath who join the military for other things than just serving the country and protecting it. Like how there are pyro-something who became firefighters.

Not saying there are many, but there are some... most of them tend to be in senior position Psychos with a Napoleonic complex.

Where is your evidence to what you are saying and how many or what percentage are you talking about?

You are obviously have no idea ......To see a guy with PTSD would make you cry tears of blood....I have seen it and it is not a pretty sight.

 

[SirRumpole]

How can you possibly say or even think such evil of our ADF personal.......My youngest son is an ADF person and I am sure he would be horrified to learn of your derogatory filthily remarks denigrating our ADF men and women who are there to protect the likes of you....If we were invaded by a foreign country, you would be the first to be screaming where are our armed forces.

My son served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I think you should demonstrate some decency and apologize, that is if you have any character left in you.

As pointed out I said SOME people. There are psychopaths in business, government the police and what better place for people that like killing than in the armed forces ?

Of course there are also a lot of good people in those organisations. Your outburst just ignores reality that there a likely to be a certain percentage of people who actually enjoy killimg in the armed forces.Get real.

 

[SirRumpole]

Those interested may like to read this article by a US Army major.

http://web.archive.org/web/19991008....army.mil/milrev/English/MayJun99/Pierson.htm

And I may add that there seems to be a few psychopaths in command who actually enjoy the opportunity to test out weapons , soldiers, training etc and so will jump at the chance to get involved in battles, from their comfortable offices of course.

 

[Tisme]

Those interested may like to read this article by a US Army major.

http://web.archive.org/web/19991008....army.mil/milrev/English/MayJun99/Pierson.htm

And I may add that there seems to be a few psychopaths in command who actually enjoy the opportunity to test out weapons , soldiers, training etc and so will jump at the chance to get involved in battles, from their comfortable offices of course.

I watched a doco years ago about the natural born killers and the reliance on the small % in the forces to do the most damage.

This is a response piece from an ex elite forces chappy who takes Pierson to task based on his experiences, albeit confessing Pierson is pretty much right:

......Ultimately, I suspect most true aggressive psychopaths drawn to commando units wash out during some point of the selection process, or are kicked out because they either have a hard time getting along with comrades or get caught conducting illegal activity. Otherwise Pierson’s description of a natural killer is pretty accurate. To most of us who thrive during our time in a deadly unit, we have just enough ASPD traits to do well, but also enough empathy to flow as a cohesive unit and genuinely care for one another in the event of a casualty. You could say we have ASPD in all the right places.

http://www.sociopathworld.com/2014/10/psychopathy-in-army.html

 

[Tisme]

woof woof

http://freedomsfinalstand.com/musli...lic-violation-of-sharia-and-disrespects-them/

In Manchester, pamphlets have been distribute by a group called Public Purity have demanded that Brits do not take their dogs out in public as dogs are considered impure in the Islamic faith.

The groups message is that British citizens must do certain things that may be considered uncomfortable in order to make its Muslim citizens feel more at home. Why exactly this type of whiny, ultimatum inducing behavior would make citizens of a non-Islamic nation care how its Muslim residents feel is unclear.
What is clear, however, is that this type of intrusive behavior from Muslim immigrants helps to explain British citizens unwillingness to remain in the European Union.

 

[CanOz]

I think there are some people in the armed forces who, if they weren't there would probably be out killing people on the streets; ie psychopaths. And lets face it, they are the sort of people the Army needs, people who will kill without compunction or hesitation. The people who actually stop and think what they are doing would be poor soldiers.

I don't hold this view. Australian forces, most notably the special forces are among the most well trained and elite forces in the world. I don't think there's allot of room for the mentally ill among thier ranks.

 

[CanOz]

I think there are some people in the armed forces who, if they weren't there would probably be out killing people on the streets; ie psychopaths. And lets face it, they are the sort of people the Army needs, people who will kill without compunction or hesitation. The people who actually stop and think what they are doing would be poor soldiers.

woof woof

http://freedomsfinalstand.com/musli...lic-violation-of-sharia-and-disrespects-them/

It's this type of non sense that would change me from a moderate holding a balanced view to supporting pauline Hanson!

 

[noco]

Those interested may like to read this article by a US Army major.

http://web.archive.org/web/19991008....army.mil/milrev/English/MayJun99/Pierson.htm

And I may add that there seems to be a few psychopaths in command who actually enjoy the opportunity to test out weapons , soldiers, training etc and so will jump at the chance to get involved in battles, from their comfortable offices of course.

A lot in that article, particularly the first paragraph applies to what I was talking about.

I was in a rifle club during and after WW11 and to remain in the club I had to sign a form committing myself to the allegiance to the king/queen of England that if the war continued or a new conflict arose I would serve in the infantry to kill the enemy where ever it may be and I would not have hesitated to do so.....Does that make me a psychopath?......Of course not......In war you either kill or be killed.....what would your choice be?

Have you heard of one Aussie turning on another Aussie in battle?.......

Army guys are trained to kill as part of their duty and they must follow the line of command....Would you say our SAS soldiers are psychopath because they are highly trained elite men......We currently have an ex SAS in Federal Parliament.

I still say your first post relating to all this is a disgrace to our fighting men and women and an apology is warranted.

BTW....Conscientious objectors who refused to fight for their country were normally sent a white feather in the mail...They were known as pussies.

 

[Tisme]

It's this type of non sense that would change me from a moderate holding a balanced view to supporting pauline Hanson!

Not if you are a sociopath masquerading as a level head. I have had much of my life dealing with someone who is pathic and I am always amazed at how cleverly he can conceal his wanton behaviours.