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Religions encourage regular prayer and other rituals because it builds the illusion of truth through cognitive ease.
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Can anyone tell me why people pray?.....What do they pray for and are their prayers ever answered?
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I don't think people are saying that one religion is better than another, but that all religion has parts that are incompatible with today's democratic secular society.
You seem to be assuming that people are automatically Christian if they are not Muslim. Most people these days are agnostic or atheist, or couldn't be bothered defining themselves as either, so quoting slabs of the Bible really falls on deaf ears, we don't believe it either.
I don't think people are saying that one religion is better than another, but that all religion has parts that are incompatible with today's democratic secular society.
You seem to be assuming that people are automatically Christian if they are not Muslim. Most people these days are agnostic or atheist, or couldn't be bothered defining themselves as either, so quoting slabs of the Bible really falls on deaf ears, we don't believe it either.
Clearly you haven't.I read the whole lot from start to finish and I suggest you do the same.
You've probably not understood it because you couldn't be bothered reading it (which hardly surprises me in this day and age).How can anyone take it out of context...It is there in black and white dozens of times.
"And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."
Clearly you haven't.
You've probably not understood it because you couldn't be bothered reading it (which hardly surprises me in this day and age).
Verse 2-190 directly before it.
"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors."
That's sounds like a call to defend not to aggression.
The whole of Verse 2-191
"And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."
Verse 2-192
"And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
Verse 2-193
"Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors."
It's clearly about war. And more specifically about being invaded.
But people are saying that.
That Islam is evil and brainwash its followers to kill etc. etc. Hence, we must take the war to them; hence we must stop Muslims from entering "our Christian (and Jewish?)" society blah blah.
That's because some Muslims are actually carrying out the nasty bits of their doctrine, whereas the Christian religion is divided into old and New Testaments and the people who follow the New Testament are generally ignoring the nasty bits in the Old Testament.
Unfortunately, the whole Koran is the word of the prophet and therefore must be obeyed. It's harder to cherry pick.
I heard recently that there were calls to update the Koran, a sort of new testament, to bring it in line with contemporary moderate thinking...
That's because some Muslims are actually carrying out the nasty bits of their doctrine, whereas the Christian religion is divided into old and New Testaments and the people who follow the New Testament are generally ignoring the nasty bits in the Old Testament.
Unfortunately, the whole Koran is the word of the prophet and therefore must be obeyed. It's harder to cherry pick.
I heard recently that there were calls to update the Koran, a sort of new testament, to bring it in line with contemporary moderate thinking...
We get upset, and rightly so, when innocents are killed (in Western countries)... yet, we just shrugged when just as many or more innocent Arabs and Muslims are slaughtered almost every single day all over the ME.
That would be good, but who would do it ? There is no Muslim Pope to co ordinate that sort of thing, and each Muslim country seems to have it's own brand of clerics so the chances of getting agreement would seem to be slim.
I'll bet that there are more Muslims being killed by Muslims than there are innocent Muslims being killed by drones.
Look at the Iran-Iraq war, more than a million lives lost. Muslim v Muslim.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/23/iran-iraq-war-anniversary
Really?
The West didn't kind of invade Iraq and wreck the place?
I'll bet that there are more Muslims being killed by Muslims than there are innocent Muslims being killed by drones.
Look at the Iran-Iraq war, more than a million lives lost. Muslim v Muslim.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/23/iran-iraq-war-anniversary
I heard recently that there were calls to update the Koran, a sort of new testament, to bring it in line with contemporary moderate thinking...
Islam cannot be modernised say greatest Arabic poet.
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