Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[SirRumpole]

Terrorists attacking innocent people should not be forgiven.

He will be in prison for the rest of his life, that's societal retribution.

How individual victims react is a matter for them.

I see forgiveness by a victim preferable to stirring up passions and provoking revenge attacks which is a real possibility if the situation escalates.

 

[Sdajii]

How individual victims react is a matter for them.

Indeed. And whether or not a man wants to take a gun and kill a number innocent people is also a matter for him.

We all have choices, that doesn't make them all good, okay, equally valid, acceptable or anything else.

I see forgiveness by a victim preferable to stirring up passions and provoking revenge attacks which is a real possibility if the situation escalates.

You say that as though they are the only two options!

 

[Macquack]

That was lip service, clearly. If you can't see that was strategic virtue signaling there is something wrong with you. And whether or not you want to think it was genuinely heartfelt, it is completely counterproductive and inappropriate.

Totally disagree, the speech was made at the National Remembrance Service and the guy was a victim that survived the Massacre.

I must admit, several of the people I have spoken to (not all of them white or Christian, including the one who by far spoke in admiration of the Christchurch terrorist) are on the side of this guy. I have a friend who is a soldier frequently assigned as a peacekeeper in a region where Muslim terror attacks are common (he is neither white, western nor Christian) who only has positive things to say about the guy.

You need a new circle of friends.

 

[Sdajii]

Totally disagree, the speech was made at the National Remembrance Service and the guy was a victim that survived the Massacre.

I'll agree to disagree.

You need a new circle of friends.

Wow, so all of my friends need to have the same political opinions as yourself, and if I have any who disagree you'll say I should cut contact with them and live in an echo chamber? It makes sense that you have such a narrow and naive view!

I embrace having as wide as possible a selection of people I call friends, including people I completely disagree with. Your attitude is as pathetic as it is destructive. I regularly hang out with groups of people including 5-10 different nationalities in the same conversation (I've been non stop travelling for about 5 years and frequently end up in such groups, which is one of the most appealing aspects of travelling to me). I hugely value the constant access I have to such a wide variety of views from so many different backgrounds. How small of you to say I should refine it down and cut the majority of my interaction with humanity out!

 

[IFocus]

To reach a state of forgiveness / acceptance is to reach a state of mind to carry on and live a life to its full potential.

Revenge, anger, hate is a sure way to be a tortured soul with no direction.

 

[qldfrog]

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Revenge, anger, hate is a sure way to be a tortured soul with no direction.

While i agree on the tortured soul part, i do believe, and from past experience that you are definitively with a direction
Revenge
There is nothing more focusing and so purpose giving than hate and revenge
To each his own..but while hate and revenge can not make you happy, they can motivate you to a VERY high focus

 

[Sdajii]

To reach a state of forgiveness / acceptance is to reach a state of mind to carry on and live a life to its full potential.

Revenge, anger, hate is a sure way to be a tortured soul with no direction.

If you can not avoid being angry, vengeful, hateful or tortured without forgiving someone there is something wrong with you, you are emotionally inept.

If we all forgave this man he would be free to walk away. I do not believe he deserves forgiveness, I don't believe that any terrorist deserves it. That does not mean I am full of hate, I am not really angry (though I probably would be if it had recently happened to someone I was close to), I am certainly not vengeful, I am not tortured, but I don't forgive this guy and can see that no one should; this was an unforgivable crime as long as he has not shown remorse for it or done anything to make up for it, which in this case may be impossible anyway.

It is sad that people see forgiveness as the only alternative to enraged, irrational hatred, and shows their destructively limited grasp on their emotions.

There is a clear and growing problem in this world which needs to be addressed. Forgiveness is not the answer, that just allows it to continue and enrages some of the more unstable folks on one or both sides. Getting whipped up into an irrational frenzy as you seem to think is the only alternative is also not the answer. A calm, rational, genuinely educated (not just blindly believing propaganda), intelligent, peaceful response is required. While there are bad people doing bad things, forgiveness is, unfortunately, premature.

But I don't expect you to understand this, you are, by your own description, an argumentative galah.

 

[wayneL]

 

[basilio]

Well I suppose if Wayne has found it on the net and it trashes Islam it has to be right.

 

[Sdajii]

Well I suppose if Wayne has found it on the net and it trashes Islam it has to be right.

Can you say anything at all in it which you think is incorrect? Or do you just want to find an excuse to ignore it and encourage others to do the same, and you're so desperate that you'll use the excuse that it was on the internet to dismiss it?

Being on the internet is not any sort of evidence that something is true, but it is also not evidence that it has not. You have made a completely absurd attempt to dismiss something based simply on it being online, without even attempting to address a single thing in it.

If you did manage to find anything incorrect in it you would have to look very hard and cherry pick something trivial, if there was anything at all, but the vast majority of it is clearly genuine fact or his reasonable opinion which in all cases was directly being related to clear facts he was stating. I couldn't find anything untrue in it, and it is loaded with facts which should be completely alarming to all good people.

It is literally the fastest growing faction in the world, which literally commands people to kill innocent people, as well as various things like giving men the right to bash their wives at their own discretion and forbidding anyone from questioning a man bashing his wife under any circumstances. It literally seeks to take over the whole world, it is literally rapidly succeeding (just look at the actual numbers and growth rate), and once converted (or if you are born into it) the punishment to leaving is death, which is actively enforced. This is all very clearly evident, yet people put in much more effort to ignoring these facts than it would take to simply look at them.

I very strongly recommend and I would go as far as urging, even requesting, all people to actually educate themselves on this topic. Read the Koran, not just looking up a few out of context lines, but the whole thing cover to cover to see and understand the full context. Relate it to the actual history and current state of the world. Don't look at or believe the propaganda on either side, just the actual, tangible facts. If you do this you will understand what is happening and the urgency of the situation.

 

[wayneL]

Well I suppose if Wayne has found it on the net and it trashes Islam it has to be right.

Not an argument bas.

 

[bellenuit]

 

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[Sdajii]

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This is all obviously nonsense, but it doesn't say anything about Islam being evil (or not evil), it's just a complete whackjob who happens to be Muslim being given a platform by some TV show which hosted by Muslim. It doesn't relate to anything fundamentally about Islam, it doesn't even necessarily say much about Muslims as a group, it's just a couple of individual idiots.

 

[bellenuit]

 

[bellenuit]

Defend Islam, don't be an infidel. Heed the warning before watching the video.

 

[SirRumpole]

Defend Islam, don't be an infidel. Heed the warning before watching the video.

Yes brothers, the religion of Peace.

 

[Sdajii]

Yes brothers, the religion of Peace.

It's funny in a sad way that for 1,400 years we have seen the same pattern, starting with the founder himself. Terrorism and genocide is used, often beginning with quiet peaceful initial colonisation. Once sufficient numbers exist, steps are taken to take control of the government. From there as soon as is tactically possible, the entire population is converted or exterminated (slavery is allowed and encouraged during the conversion). Once the process is complete it is no surprise that in all cases the mentality of the mob above is the result, because you have an entire population which believes in a doctrine which demands absolute control, so obviously it gets control when everyone believes it should, and it commands that anyone who questions a single word of it must be killed. They are all so scared of being accused of not following it to the letter that they do. If anyone doesn't, in this situation it is inherently obvious a mob will form and kill the person not doing it, and in desperation to please such a violent and intolerant doctrine, people will eagerly seek out anyone who commits even the smallest transgression, and everyone will want to personally execute justice because it is their commanded duty, and if they don't do it they are condemned to Hell. They will become so desperate to find infidels that they will see them even where they do not exist, as we see an example of here. This is not unusual, this is both what you would expect from such a doctrine at its end point, and what we do see in Islamic countries which have reached that point.

We can see other countries at all stages of conversion. If we look back at the histories of countries further along we can see that when they were at the same stage of conversion, the same process occurred. It is an ongoing process which has been taking place for 1,400 years. It will not stop until people wake up. The first step is for people to understand what is happening. This will either happen because people actually bother to open their eyes and educate themselves, which if done very soon could prevent a violent outcome, or it will happen when the situation is so extreme that those remaining can't help but see it, which will result in a huge bloody war. Depending on when this happens, either side could win. At this stage it seems clear it will be the latter alternative, the bloody one, and probably Islam will lose, but either way there will be many innocent people (and a few guilty ones) dying in the process.

Currently, it seems the media's motive for presenting a ridiculously Islam-favoured bias in the news is to allow for a rapid expansion of the problem so that it can then flip. Basically, swinging the pendulum very far to engineer the swing back. Perhaps in the big picture this is the least bloody option, but it sure will be bloody if it plays out that way, which seems inevitable.

 

[qldfrog]

I agree got tge feeling the Christchurch massage would not have happened if islam was presented in the west for what it is, as a result, this favors kind of last man on earth seeing the truth attitude, and so desperate attempts to "save the world"
I would bet you we would see similar terrorism should climate change not be acknowledged in the media
A very interesting analogy actually..

 

[basilio]

It's funny in a sad way that for 1,400 years we have seen the same pattern, starting with the founder himself. Terrorism and genocide is used, often beginning with quiet peaceful initial colonisation. Once sufficient numbers exist, steps are taken to take control of the government. From there as soon as is tactically possible, the entire population is converted or exterminated (slavery is allowed and encouraged during the conversion). Once the process is complete it is no surprise that in all cases the mentality of the mob above is the result, because you have an entire population which believes in a doctrine which demands absolute control, so obviously it gets control when everyone believes it should, and it commands that anyone who questions a single word of it must be killed. They are all so scared of being accused of not following it to the letter that they do. If anyone doesn't, in this situation it is inherently obvious a mob will form and kill the person not doing it, and in desperation to please such a violent and intolerant doctrine, people will eagerly seek out anyone who commits even the smallest transgression, and everyone will want to personally execute justice because it is their commanded duty, and if they don't do it they are condemned to Hell. They will become so desperate to find infidels that they will see them even where they do not exist, as we see an example of here. This is not unusual, this is both what you would expect from such a doctrine at its end point, and what we do see in Islamic countries which have reached that point.

We can see other countries at all stages of conversion. If we look back at the histories of countries further along we can see that when they were at the same stage of conversion, the same process occurred. It is an ongoing process which has been taking place for 1,400 years. It will not stop until people wake up. The first step is for people to understand what is happening. This will either happen because people actually bother to open their eyes and educate themselves, which if done very soon could prevent a violent outcome, or it will happen when the situation is so extreme that those remaining can't help but see it, which will result in a huge bloody war. Depending on when this happens, either side could win. At this stage it seems clear it will be the latter alternative, the bloody one, and probably Islam will lose, but either way there will be many innocent people (and a few guilty ones) dying in the process.

Currently, it seems the media's motive for presenting a ridiculously Islam-favoured bias in the news is to allow for a rapid expansion of the problem so that it can then flip. Basically, swinging the pendulum very far to engineer the swing back. Perhaps in the big picture this is the least bloody option, but it sure will be bloody if it plays out that way, which seems inevitable.

Well that is a chilling story Sdajii. Certainly won't be sleeping at night with the horror of Islamic fanatics taking over the world. I hope you don't suffer from the nightmares you are so busy creating.

I wonder how your story would look if we changed "Islam" to "The Commies" "Westbro Baptist Church" "The Chinese " or in fact any other outgroup.