Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

Tisme said:

Because media has taken over from jungle drums, the pony express and telegraph. There is no excuse for ignorance of a nation's interests, intentions and doctrine.

The quantum leaps have been taken, the two mercantile wars I and II are done and dusted and empires dissolved because of them. There is no place for blindfaith in an ubiquitous global community, where plurality is driven by instinct, common sense and maturity, not by degenerate scum who just like sh!tting in the humanity nest because they can.

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You describing Trump and his Climate Change denying Republican retards or about Imperialism in the Middle East?

Yes, all Christians are brothers. They all love each other, have always been at peace. They all speak the same language too, apparently.

A very wise man once halfheartedly joke that the reason Europeans are so good at genocide was because they've had centuries of practise - on each other.

I mean it starts with that Constantine using God and Jesus' blessings to smash his rival co-Emperor. So brother on brother? Then this and that centuries of wars, Catholics against Protestants and whatever other sects there are under the cross... kinda settled in England when Elizabeth had her half-sister's head chopped off. Blood sister? Christian value at work? etc. etc. Then there's that short Corsican doing quite a number all over Europe.

I guess it's a good thing for Western Christian civilised Europe to figured they better stop fighting each others, go to "India" and liberate the savages. psstt... it's easy to liberate them because they only have axes, bow and arrows while "we" got God, guns and diseases.

Honestly, we shouldn't get into debates about superior value this, greater nobility that. History and current event will just fall over laughing their azzes off hearing that.

So while there are many great achievements, lots of great learning and advances achieved by Western civilisation... the same can be said of all other civilisations.

It's a bit, what's the big word, disingenuous, to ignore all the crap, drum up all the good (and make up a whole bunch more to boot)... There's no need for it. That and you'll get caught out.

DB 008 introduction of "the pig racing farmer from Texas defending the American way of life against the infidel" needs some clarification.
Firstly it is a HUGE story on the net. Post up the phrase and scores and scores and scores of sites are banging out this story. Clearly it has to be one of the biggest events to to be happening in Texas in recent times doesn't it ?

REALLY ? How about 2006 ? How about a simple misunderstanding by the Texas farmer ? How about the fact that in 2006 and today the willingness to believe and spread hateful Islamophobia stories seems ingrained into our psyche ?
This is the original story from 2006.

Houston suburb in dispute over mosque plan
Some residents object to plan; neighbor threatens to hold pig races

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Pat Sullivan / AP
Craig Baker poses beside his pigs outside his Katy, Texas, business, on Monday. Baker has threatened to race pigs on the edge of his property on the Muslim holy day, in response to a Katy Islamic Association plan to build a mosque near his property.

updated 12/7/2006 3:24:34 PM ET
KATY, Texas — A plan to build a mosque in this Houston suburb has triggered a neighborhood dispute, with community members warning the place will become a terrorist hotbed and one man threatening to hold pig races on Fridays just to offend the Muslims.
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Dispute started with cattle
The dispute began when the group asked Baker to remove his cattle from their newly bought land. Baker agreed but mistakenly thought the Muslims also wanted him off the land his family has lived on for more than 100 years. The rumor spread.

Baker, who makes marble and granite fixtures for kitchens and bathrooms and also owns livestock, said he got so mad he put up a sign announcing the pig races.

Baker’s attempt to offend missed its mark, according to Fotouh. Muslims do not hate pigs, he said; they just don’t eat them.

... Though he now concedes the Muslims are probably not after his land, Baker said he is obligated to go through with the pig races, probably within the next few weeks, because “I would be like a total idiot if I didn’t. I’d be the laughingstock now because I’ve gone too far.”

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/16095716/...suburb-dispute-over-mosque-plan/#.WVMRpbitHkd

So where are we at in 2017 ? 11 years ago a farmer misunderstood a request for his neighbours to move his cattle off the land they had bought. He gets his knickers in a knot because they are Muslims and decides to hold a pig race on their boundary to "upset" them. He then realises
1) He had actually made a mistake in thinking they were after his land. They wern't
2) He had to go through with the pig race plan just to save face with his red neck neighbours

In 2017 this silly event has been twisted beyond recognition, wrapped in the flag of righteous Western indignation, soaked with petrol and flamed across the net. Figure it out folks...

My post was about people moving to a country with a totally different ideology/believes, them knowing this before they move, and then asking the host nation to change ways to suit them. The youtube video is just 1 example of this. Sorry if l ruffled your feathers.

DB008 said:

My post was about people moving to a country with a totally different ideology/believes, them knowing this before they move, and then asking the host nation to change ways to suit them. The youtube video is just 1 example of this. Sorry if l ruffled your feathers.

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Sorry DB you can't away with that.
The video was a fraud and misrepresentation of what had happened. The fact that it is reposted endlessly with the same lying message doesn't make it true.
In my view it just highlights the willingness of people to believe a story because it fits in with what they want to believe.
After reading the original news report do you think the video was an honest portrayal of the situation?

lets twist the argument a little bit (but given the census results what I describe below might be a little far fetched), and ignore the fact that people might be coming here due to persecution...

suppose that you leave Australia (for work reasons) and the country that you are moving to is Muslim based, with Islam as the main religion. however, you are a committed Christian with all that entails. Having moved to the other country do you (a) adopt their religious/belief system or (b) continue to be a committed Christian but respecting their laws.

If the latter, then... suppose that you find other people with similar beliefs to you and get together once a week. Also, suppose the group is too large for you all to fit into a small room/house. so you go and ask the council if you can use premises for X or Y or Z.

what do you do?

smallwolf said:

If the latter, then... suppose that you find other people with similar beliefs to you and get together once a week. Also, suppose the group is too large for you all to fit into a small room/house. so you go and ask the council if you can use premises for X or Y or Z.

what do you do?

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All that happens here without too much problems. X, Y or Z are allowed to buy property and do what they like with it as long as they don't annoy anyone else.

If X, Y or Z creates noise pollution by wailing 5 times a day, then A, B, or C has a right to complain and ask them to shut up.

If X, Y or Z creates noise pollution by wailing 5 times a day, then A, B, or C has a right to complain and ask them to shut up. Sir Rumpole

Quite so. And does this happen in Australia?

basilio said:

If X, Y or Z creates noise pollution by wailing 5 times a day, then A, B, or C has a right to complain and ask them to shut up. Sir Rumpole

Quite so. And does this happen in Australia?

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I'd imagine so. Religions of all sorts own property in Australia.

basilio said:

Sorry DB you can't away with that.
The video was a fraud and misrepresentation of what had happened. The fact that it is reposted endlessly with the same lying message doesn't make it true.
In my view it just highlights the willingness of people to believe a story because it fits in with what they want to believe.
After reading the original news report do you think the video was an honest portrayal of the situation?

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Seems like there are two internet. One to find out objective facts; the other for alternative ones

SirRumpole said:

I'd imagine so. Religions of all sorts own property in Australia.

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Where I live, I haven't really heard the Muslim call to prayer all these years. It's a pretty big Mosques and they do hold massive gatherings whenever there's a holy day. But no prayers booming atop any tower.

They do have traffic controllers and coffee stands for big occasions though. Capitalism with safety, law and order?

I do however hear Church choirs almost once a week.

These hymns and hallelujahs are quite pleasant. There are worst things you could hear. Though these can't beat the Buddhist's routine... their tap tap and recitation are really catchy and can put you to sleep in five minutes flat.

I'm imagining you, Luutza in a gardeners hut aka The Simpson's Willie located between numerous places of worship.

Deftly put Luutzu... Lots of different ways of making noises in public places arn't there ?

Grand Pricks races are pretty notorious. I understand that footy crowds can be quite chirpy too. Particularly xxxxes off people who don't follow the AFL football religion. But they sort of have to get used to it I suppose.

When you think about it there are a million noises in the city. Just people living, moving, walking, playing, praying. Live and let live.

basilio said:

Grand Pricks races are pretty notorious.

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Once a year.

basilio said:

I understand that footy crowds can be quite chirpy too.

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Once a week.

basilio said:

praying.

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Five times a day for some.

Lets make it clear SirRumpole. I do not believe that there are mosques in Australia with loudspeakers disturbing the local peace 5 times a day with wailings. If you have evidence of this please produce it. Then we can talk about facts.

basilio said:

Lets make it clear SirRumpole. I do not believe that there are mosques in Australia with loudspeakers disturbing the local peace 5 times a day with wailings. If you have evidence of this please produce it. Then we can talk about facts.

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we must have a different opinion of what is noisy and annoying then....

if you are a theological student (in Aust)... there is morning and evening prayer and service in middle of day ... that's 3 times... and before each service the bells are rung. must be noisy. fwiw... people also complain about church bells even after moving into neighborhood near church.

as far as the Islam call to prayer is concerned... Morgan Freeman describes the Muslim Call to Prayer here....


but each to their own I guess.

basilio said:

Lets make it clear SirRumpole. I do not believe that there are mosques in Australia with loudspeakers disturbing the local peace 5 times a day with wailings. If you have evidence of this please produce it. Then we can talk about facts.

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Gee, all you need to do is type "australia mosques noise" and you can come up with :

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/...s/news-story/081c0f7682ff0bd0ac2acd83eeb0bc43

BANYULE Council has received eight complaints about a Heidelberg Heights mosque in less than a year.
Nearby residents are again up in arms about increased traffic and noise from the Elliot St mosque, which they claim has reached unacceptable levels for a residential area.

Mat Lumalasi, who lives across the road from the mosque, said the congregation had increased significantly since the mosque extended the premises about 12 months ago.

He said part of the expansion included a covered outdoor area with a PA system which allowed the sound to travel right into neighbouring properties.

"This is unacceptable, the level of noise can be heard in my house with the door closed and on the weekend prayers went for over an hour and a half,'' Mr Lumalasi.

"It has got nothing to do with what kind of church it is but rather the fact that it is in a residential area.

"The first prayer is before dawn and the last after dusk and there are hundreds of cars in the area. It should be in an industrial area where there is plenty of parking around.''

Banyule Council spokesperson Fiona Athersmith said the council had received eight complaints from residents since October 2012 relating to issues of noise, illegal parking and littering at the mosque.

She said council officers have spoken to each of the complainants in relation to their concerns.

They had also spoken to the mosque's management committee about the issues raised by residents.

"Local laws officers have attended the mosque half a dozen times during the past six months and issued infringement notices where cars have been parked illegally. Local laws officers are continuing to visit the area to ensure cars are parked legally,'' she said.

"Banyule Council is currently arranging a meeting with the management committee of the mosque to discuss resident complaints and work with them to identify longer term, sustainable solutions to the concerns raised.''

She said issues with noise and parking were common with places of worship, and it was not specific to mosques.

The Heidelberg Leader was unable to contact anyone from the mosque's management committee for comment.

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Is this the event that was being shown on the video ? The end of Ramadan with 40,000 Muslims coming together to celebrate their religion?


Calls for unity as 40,000 Australian Muslims mark end of Ramadan at Lakemba Mosque

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...alian-muslims-mark-end-ramadan-lakemba-mosque