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Are you saying those ISIS fighters born and raised in Lakemba weren't from a war torn, bomb crater suburb!!!
Islam: Is it inherently Evil?
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Are you saying those ISIS fighters born and raised in Lakemba weren't from a war torn, bomb crater suburb!!!
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You describing only the Arab bomb makers or also those higher paid psychos working for the military-industry complex, too?
Ideology, yea, it's only Islam that taught them to play with bombs and kill people. It could not possibly be the fact that they don't like seeing their country being plunder and pillaged, their religion and culture being called evil.
I guess those who make weapons, sell it for a profit.. .they're better people. They're only motivated by greed, and destruction. The Muslims doing the same are motivated by an ideology of hate.
Don't worry, I'm not just referring to White and civilised people. There's this lady in the American VNese community who's been receiving all kind of praises and honour from the overseas Viets "leadership".
Why the honour? Because she's so smart and talented that she heads some US advanced weapons team.
You should hear her describe how a HellFire missile work in confined spaces. What a freaking nutjob. And oh, she's so passionate about it because of the VN war... because she saw first hand, as a child, the suffering of people being napalmed and having their bits blown up. What better way to honour their suffering than go into weapons research... to create the ultimate peacemaker I suppose.
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Which very true (psychos) for most societies and eventually those bogeymen are going to have a crack back with extreme prejudice. The difference is that the most dangerous nutjobs are the natural born ones who aren't responding to e.g. "being bombed", but take pleasure in an excuse to hand out punishment for the sake of it..... you know like Nazis and English soccer fans.
If leaders of countries identified as a shining examples of my civilisation were responsible for the death of countless million innocent "savages", all of whom happen to be on land of immense natural riches just sitting there for the taking... I probably wouldn't be bragging too loudly about how noble and awesome it is.
When's the last time you see me bragging on about my awesome culture? How peaceful and victimised the Indochinese were? Can't say stuff like that with a straight face when you know it too slaughtered and steal land from other "savages".
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So why aren't they out protesting against Bashar al Assad who is killing his own people, or is that OK with you as long as it's not the US doing it ?
In the meantime you could also have a go at Russia who is helping Assad commit genocide, but no , it's always the West who are the evil ones right ?
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Actually, I'm curious how many other religions have killed so many of their own people in the name of religion in the modern era? I'm struggling to name one.
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Again, why do you always think any killing is ever "OK" with me? And no, I'm not anti-American. Just anti-imperialism and warmongering. If that mean calling out American cruelty, then put me on that list.
Apparently, half the Syrian are out there protesting against Assad, with guns and ammo and guidance from the few indispensable nations.
You think any country or terrorist group fighting in Syria for freedom and democracy and stuff? It's about oil, gas and strategic assets.
Russia used to have a Naval base in Libya. Now that that's gone they have to "protect" Assad's gov't or else their fleet could/would be blockaded at the Bospherous. That and they do not want LNG pipelines from Saudi Arabia etc. piping energy into Europe from Syria. Capitalism 101, it seem.
Does that mean the killing and wars are "good" by one side, bad on the other? NO. They're both farked.
If you want to pass judgment on crimes of wars, past it onto the country/people who started it. That's based on principles of war crimes established at the Nuremberg Trial: Those who started the war of aggression are guilty of all crimes and destruction that follows.
And honestly, did Putin ever fire a barrage of Tomahawks, killing who knows how many, to score a political point that he's not Russia's stooge? Look up an interview his eldest son gave, saying that the tomahawks prove daddy don't like Russia.
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Was the Middle East engulfed in 7 simultaneous wars before Afghanistan and Iraq? ISIS weren't even born then either. But I think we're over there to get rid of ISIS, free the Muslims, rebuild their countries... Why? Because we love them so much that's why.
And oh, all those Europeans states, kingdoms, empires at wars all those millennium... that's not Christians going at it? WW1, WW2 weren't the only time the Christian Brotherhood almost wipe each other out man.
How about the English civil wars? American civil wars wiping out some 1/4 of White/Christian population?
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Lu, READ the question.....
Can you name a religion that has killed so many of its own people in the name of that religion in the modern era? This century?
Islam cannot be considered iherintly evil, in my mind, but you've got to say that clearly its holy scriptures are open to some wide interpretation if killing your own is all right....
Can you name a religion that has killed so many of its own people in the name of that religion in the modern era? This century?
Islam cannot be considered iherintly evil, in my mind, but you've got to say that clearly its holy scriptures are open to some wide interpretation if killing your own is all right....
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It seems the Iraqi forces are coming up against Brits and Aussies in ISIS troops.
Why would a foreigner involve himself another country's sovereign affairs?
Oh that's right Islam doesn't recognise borders so therefore Muslims don't believe in the idea of countries, logically the USA and any other has free range to take what they want, just like Islam.
Why would a foreigner involve himself another country's sovereign affairs?
Oh that's right Islam doesn't recognise borders so therefore Muslims don't believe in the idea of countries, logically the USA and any other has free range to take what they want, just like Islam.
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https://medium.com/insurge-intellig...ses-governments-support-for-isis-d12238698f52
+ Turkey’s intelligence chief, Hakan Fidan, named as member of terror group linked to al-Qaeda and ISIS
+ Turkish intelligence directly supplied military aid to ISIS for years
+ Turkish government siphoned military supplies to ISIS through humanitarian relief agency
+ ISIS fighters, including al-Baghadi’s deputy, received free medical treatment in Turkey and “protection” from Turkish police
+ Head of ISIS in Turkey received “24/7 protection” under the personal order of President Erdogan
+ Turkish police investigations into ISIS are being systematically quashed
+ ISIS oil is sold with complicity of authorities in Turkey and Kurdish region of northern Iraq
+ NATO affirms Turkey’s role as ally in war on ISIS
A former senior counter-terrorism official in Turkey has blown the whistle on President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s deliberate sponsorship of the Islamic State (ISIS) as a geopolitical tool to expand Turkey’s regional influence and sideline his political opponents at home.
+ Turkey’s intelligence chief, Hakan Fidan, named as member of terror group linked to al-Qaeda and ISIS
+ Turkish intelligence directly supplied military aid to ISIS for years
+ Turkish government siphoned military supplies to ISIS through humanitarian relief agency
+ ISIS fighters, including al-Baghadi’s deputy, received free medical treatment in Turkey and “protection” from Turkish police
+ Head of ISIS in Turkey received “24/7 protection” under the personal order of President Erdogan
+ Turkish police investigations into ISIS are being systematically quashed
+ ISIS oil is sold with complicity of authorities in Turkey and Kurdish region of northern Iraq
+ NATO affirms Turkey’s role as ally in war on ISIS
A former senior counter-terrorism official in Turkey has blown the whistle on President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s deliberate sponsorship of the Islamic State (ISIS) as a geopolitical tool to expand Turkey’s regional influence and sideline his political opponents at home.
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Ah well, US bombing raids on Istanbul coming up ?
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no but maybe we could start seeing Russia as an ally of civilisation vs our usual "USA friendly" Qatar, SA and Turkey...
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Why this century? So we can ignore the almost 2,000 years of Christian European states killing each other almost non-stop?
Who lit the Middle East on fire the past 16 years? They started it all by themselves?
Islam is not a single entity. Its 1.5 billion followers are not all united as one. Hence, there are different sects, different groups, various different Muslim countries. And they'd duke it out for the same reason any warlords and states duke it out - money, power, profit, a few statues of themselves in some park and mausoleum.
That and it doesn't help that there are powerful outside interests who profit quite handsomely whether the place is at war or rule by a dictatorship. Democracy is a no, no though.
If you can find an example of evil and barbarity unique to only Islam or Muslims, I'll pay you five bucks. All cultures and people are the same. We all have our moment in the sun where we kick azz, live well and call our victims barbarian savages.
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American politics does not want Russia to be an ally. It seems that unless the Russian leadership is as complying to Western/American interests as Yelsin was, they're still godless commies who's trying to overthrow American democracy
And Qatar is being pushed out from the circle of friendship too. Why? Because Qatar "fund terrorism" whereas Saudi Arabia obviously does not do such thing.
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Is this the end for ISIS ?
Let's hope so.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-...in-days-as-troops-advance-in-old-city/8653838
Let's hope so.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-...in-days-as-troops-advance-in-old-city/8653838
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Step 1 - Immigate to new country
Step 2 - Settle in
Step 3 - Demand my neighbours change to the sh**hole l came from
Step 4 - Opps.....
Step 2 - Settle in
Step 3 - Demand my neighbours change to the sh**hole l came from
Step 4 - Opps.....
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Because media has taken over from jungle drums, the pony express and telegraph. There is no excuse for ignorance of a nation's interests, intentions and doctrine.
The quantum leaps have been taken, the two mercantile wars I and II are done and dusted and empires dissolved because of them. There is no place for blindfaith in an ubiquitous global community, where plurality is driven by instinct, common sense and maturity, not by degenerate scum who just like sh!tting in the humanity nest because they can.
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Interesting DB008. Would you care to share some background about that story you posted? Do you want to let it stand as you present it ?
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