Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[luutzu]

again, depends.... for example, some people donate money on the condition that is NOT used for certain functions and can only be placed in a trust fund and you live off the interest.

but as far a relationship between the community and churches are concerned... this could be improved and recent events and history has not done the church any favors. in some respect, the way the way the church does operate could be improved.

People donate money on such conditions? I thought they just donate to a charity whose work they like, then let the administrator and people there decide what to do with the fund. A bit much to ask that only the interests be spent. That sounds more like preserving a name for eternity than helping those in need.

But then I shouldn't judge seeing how I'm not in the habit of giving anything

Yea, the Church can improve a little Maybe less of the eternity in hell and more of the immediate needs of people.

Sorry if I offend. We're having a religious debate right? I'm usually quite respectful in places of worship... Not sure why but it seems the right thing to do. Just here we worship money and take cracks at religion and other ethnicities now and then.

 

[SirRumpole]

the way the way the church does operate could be improved.

Yes, they could stop giving money to political parties and spend it on helping the poor instead.

 

[smallwolf]

Just here we worship money and take cracks at religion and other ethnicities now and then.

Yeeeesssss! between you and me..... I listen to death metal, warden at an anglican church, invest in shares, and work with computers, and studying for a BTh... none of these sets intersect anywhere really... i used to get lectures from people about the music is listened to, and that computers were the devils tool.

and I am not offended... as long as you treat my replies with respect

(and unfortunately (?) the way the anglican church works, is to allow each diocese to have own opinion, views. that does not mean every diocese shares the same views. also unfortunate, is there are people in congregations that are pro Trump and Hansen and anti refugee etc. and there are the groups that share similar views to the troublesome priest....

http://www.documentaryaustralia.com.au/films/1835/the-shadowland

 

[luutzu]

Wait, the movie Zero Dark Thirty was fictional?

Interesting discussion on the raid on Osama. It's not what we've been told by the media, or Hollywood.

 

[Value Collector]

Fine , how many times a week do they ring the bells and have a full choir singing ?

Apparently this church rings its bells every hour every day, even throughout the night.

People were so annoyed, yet the church refused to stop the ringing, so this guy had to patent an invention that made the bells quieter at night.

 

[SirRumpole]

Apparently this church rings its bells every hour every day, even throughout the night.

People were so annoyed, yet the church refused to stop the ringing, so this guy had to patent an invention that made the bells quieter at night.

He didn't have to go to that trouble, just sneak in there one night and drop the clanger.

 

[Bintang]

He didn't have to go to that trouble, just sneak in there one night and drop the clanger.

Not even that. He only needs to turn himself into a man-made global warming zealot after which he will not be able to hear anything he doesn’t like to listen to.

 

[scholesy]

These kind of debates are going to go on for eternity and go on different tangents with very little educational value. It becomes very easy to keep reading all the shocking and dehumanise people as the "enemy". This is how people start to hold radical views and become extremists.

I'd suggest people to go to meetups and meet Muslims who want the same thing we all want. This is a great place to start: http://www.mpv-australia.org

Debate and hard questions are welcomed there.

 

[qldfrog]

meet Muslims who want the same thing we all want

So all is good:
My first serious girlfriend was muslim, I have had very good friends which were muslim (using past as I have not made new muslim friends since moving in Oz but this is not impossible) yet I consider Islam as the current biggest threat to civilisation (above Global Warming );
If your answer to a world issue is to take a few select examples which suit your opinion, you do not even approach the problem, you can even deny it;
It is mentally very conveniently comfortable, but does not solve anything;
I was at that stage when I was 18, then I started having real life experience and grew up
Denial is never an answer .Sounds a bit harsh but not personal Scholesy.I mean it.

 

[basilio]

Clearly the world is turning. The Guardian is now demanding Yassmin Abdel-Magied stay in the country to ensure a sufficient supply of good copy.

Yassmin must stay in Australia – I'm not done exploiting her social media yet
It has been almost three months since Anzac day.
Since then, tens of thousands of words have been written about Yassmin Abdel-Magied’s outrageous Facebook post lamenting war in general, on a day predetermined to be about lamenting specific wars.
We’ve seen her criticised for speaking her mind, for staying quiet, for leaving the country, for staying in the country. She’s been threatened, slandered and attacked on a near daily basis as fodder for a conservative commentariat desperate to represent her as an enemy of the nation.

As one of these commentators, I have written a number of articles about Yassmin, including but not limited to: Why Hasn’t Yassmin Personally Defeated ISIS Yet?; What Yassmin’s Instagram Photo Of A Bowl Of Granola Says About The Degradation Of Modern Australia; and A Definitive List Of Reasons Why I Should Get A Say In How A Young Woman I Don’t Know Lives Her Life.

In writing these pieces, I have slowly come to realise my folly. I’ve seen that, though her very existence riles me up for some reason, Yassmin is incredibly important to the Australian political scene.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...a-im-not-done-exploiting-her-social-media-yet

 

[wayneL]

I've got to give the left kudos bas, You guys can justify your apology for just about anything.

To yourselves that is, in your own echo chamber. It doesn't wash with the rest of the community who see straight through the fallacious argument.

Sorry that you don't see Yas for what she is, a younger, female Trump with even less common sense and cultural manners.

 

[Tisme]

Clearly the world is turning. The Guardian is now demanding Yassmin Abdel-Magied stay in the country to ensure a sufficient supply of good copy.

Yassmin must stay in Australia – I'm not done exploiting her social media yet
It has been almost three months since Anzac day.
Since then, tens of thousands of words have been written about Yassmin Abdel-Magied’s outrageous Facebook post lamenting war in general, on a day predetermined to be about lamenting specific wars.
We’ve seen her criticised for speaking her mind, for staying quiet, for leaving the country, for staying in the country. She’s been threatened, slandered and attacked on a near daily basis as fodder for a conservative commentariat desperate to represent her as an enemy of the nation.

As one of these commentators, I have written a number of articles about Yassmin, including but not limited to: Why Hasn’t Yassmin Personally Defeated ISIS Yet?; What Yassmin’s Instagram Photo Of A Bowl Of Granola Says About The Degradation Of Modern Australia; and A Definitive List Of Reasons Why I Should Get A Say In How A Young Woman I Don’t Know Lives Her Life.

In writing these pieces, I have slowly come to realise my folly. I’ve seen that, though her very existence riles me up for some reason, Yassmin is incredibly important to the Australian political scene.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...a-im-not-done-exploiting-her-social-media-yet

For generations everyone in this country with fame has been cut down to size for being a tall poppy. People like pest Greer thankfully took off and spared us the agony.

How can you single out one person and put her on a pedestal because she should be immune to the great Aussie levelling? Has social engineering gone so far as to defend the indefensible and demand apologies from people who were grossly offended victims?

 

[luutzu]

For generations everyone in this country with fame has been cut down to size for being a tall poppy. People like pest Greer thankfully took off and spared us the agony.

How can you single out one person and put her on a pedestal because she should be immune to the great Aussie levelling? Has social engineering gone so far as to defend the indefensible and demand apologies from people who were grossly offended victims?

Tall Poppy was what we used to cut down. Now we worship them and instead cut the poor, the Muslims, the coloured, immigrants, refugees and other in that basket of deplorable.

All those years growing up, I thought only the Viets does that kind of talking down to those on the lower runk. [It's not racist if you're from that race ]

 

[luutzu]

So all is good:
My first serious girlfriend was muslim, I have had very good friends which were muslim (using past as I have not made new muslim friends since moving in Oz but this is not impossible) yet I consider Islam as the current biggest threat to civilisation (above Global Warming );
If your answer to a world issue is to take a few select examples which suit your opinion, you do not even approach the problem, you can even deny it;
It is mentally very conveniently comfortable, but does not solve anything;
I was at that stage when I was 18, then I started having real life experience and grew up
Denial is never an answer .Sounds a bit harsh but not personal Scholesy.I mean it.

Man, she must have broken your little French heart to pieces.

 

[Tisme]

I was at that stage when I was 18, then I started having real life experience and grew up
Denial is never an answer .Sounds a bit harsh but not personal Scholesy.I mean it.

This not a new thing for people who tried to marry interfaith. Eventually lust gives way and releases the latches that have held the doors shut on man made superstition, sky fairies, bogeymen and plain old parental brain washing.

 

[SirRumpole]

This not a new thing for people who tried to marry interfaith. Eventually lust gives way and releases the latches that have held the doors shut on man made superstition, sky fairies, bogeymen and plain old parental brain washing.

Lust gives way a lot in religious marriages, that's why the Catholics and Muslims have lots of children.

 

[Tisme]

Tall Poppy was what we used to cut down. Now we worship them and instead cut the poor, the Muslims, the coloured, immigrants, refugees and other in that basket of deplorable.

All those years growing up, I thought only the Viets does that kind of talking down to those on the lower runk. [It's not racist if you're from that race ]

Yeah well we still compare very favourably to those countries who elevated mass murderers like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc who used isolationism, fratricide, patricide and matricide to cleanse the religiously entrenched.

Strange thing about Russia is that it was established by the Christian Church after persuading the various kingdoms to unite into one Holy Roman powerhouse. And now Putin runs the show and is deeply Christian, even has his own personal clergy.

Australia has always been insufferable when it comes to foreign cultures trying a step too far to change our Anglo Christian and aetheistic ways. The POMs, the Yugolslavs, the Italians, the Greeks, the Oirish, etc all had to run the gauntlet to varying degrees based on there willingness to embrace our norms.

 

[luutzu]

Yeah well we still compare very favourably to those countries who elevated mass murderers like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc who used isolationism, fratricide, patricide and matricide to cleanse the religiously entrenched.

Strange thing about Russia is that it was established by the Christian Church after persuading the various kingdoms to unite into one Holy Roman powerhouse. And now Putin runs the show and is deeply Christian, even has his own personal clergy.

Australia has always been insufferable when it comes to foreign cultures trying a step too far to change our Anglo Christian and aetheistic ways. The POMs, the Yugolslavs, the Italians, the Greeks, the Oirish, etc all had to run the gauntlet to varying degrees based on there willingness to embrace our norms.

For sure we're better than those countries. Miles ahead. I mean it's only recently that we started to revert back to seriously taking from the poor but tell them somebody else did it.

USSR, China and Cambodia didn't elevate those a-holes when they were mass-murdering a-holes. They follow and lift them into power because they thought they're one of them. A comrade, if you will.

Once power corrupts those guys, it was kind of too late to stand up against them. I mean, have you seen what they did to people who does absolutely nothing to them?

But that's nothing new to other civilisation and countries though.

Take the US of A.

Bill Clinton was "the first black president"... he's cool, smooth talking and play tha sax. He talks of feeling people's pain, having lost his natural father early, being loved by his step father... he know how tough life is, how love from a parent being there for you can make you a governor then a president!

Who would have thought the farker got friends in the private prison business, past a "tough" law that double the prison population, locking mainly black and Latinos for petty crimes, destroying kids and kids' kids lives.

Then there's Obama. Hope and Change. There are no blue state or red state, there is only the united states. Then bottoms up Flint kids, the water's fine. See, I took a sip from a filtered cup and the lead didn't get to me at all. Kick 10 million families out of their home, letting that "free market" screw them out of all their life's savings while no amount is too big for Wall St and corporate America needing some welfare.

You'd think a people would learn their lessons. But nope. We got ourselves an "outsider", a multi-billionaire who's just like your typical sleezy, racist, rapie neighbour. Now having his tiny little fingers right next to that red button.

But Putin is an exceptionally bad guy.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Australia has always been insufferable when it comes to foreign cultures trying a step too far to change our Anglo Christian and aetheistic ways. The POMs, the Yugolslavs, the Italians, the Greeks, the Oirish, etc all had to run the gauntlet to varying degrees based on there willingness to embrace our norms.

Just as well too. "When in Rome, do as the Romanians" doesn't ring true.

 

[Tisme]

Lust gives way a lot in religious marriages, that's why the Catholics and Muslims have lots of children.