Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[luutzu]

It would be if they weren't trying to convert Australia to their way of life instead of converting to our way of life. Marrying little girls off to old men is isn't really the Australian way nor is collecting multiple welfare payments for multiple wives, our Govt is p### weak.

I know right? The thing about Western countries is how weak and afraid they are of Muslims, ethnic minorities and poor white folks. That explains why the poor get screwed, the Muslims get droned and invaded, and the native get... hmmm... to live like how they've always lived - in the desert and hostile barren land.

 

[luutzu]

You're obviously not old enough to know how people doing the old finger pointing at the head and body while muttering the trinitarian in public almost caused total devastation of public conservatism and politeness, especially around anglican aethiests.

Christians do that to each other? Aren't they all the same and one people?

 

[noco]

Hey Luu Luu here is a good interview between Alan Jones and Petr Dutton...Don't miss it.


http://www.2gb.com/podcast/peter-dutton-4/

 

[Tisme]

Christians do that to each other? Aren't they all the same and one people?

No Roman Catholics were denied jobs for a long time after they tried to knock out the protestant Monarch. The distrust lasted well into the 20th century. Unlike Muslims who all believe they have God's ear, the majority atheists in this country believe in Australia.

 

[luutzu]

No Roman Catholics were denied jobs for a long time after they tried to knock out the protestant Monarch. The distrust lasted well into the 20th century. Unlike Muslims who all believe they have God's ear, the majority atheists in this country believe in Australia.

Maybe they too believe in Australia, hence thinking they have the freedom to worship their Allah and eating certain kind of food and dressing certain way.

Think again I guess.

 

[noco]

Maybe they too believe in Australia, hence thinking they have the freedom to worship their Allah and eating certain kind of food and dressing certain way.

Think again I guess.

Islam is not a religion but a political ideology.......So therefore it should be banned....That praying stuff is just a shadow to cover their evil intent.

https://www.votocrat.com/susane.lis...ble-and-unwelcome-in-australia-agree-disagree

 

[luutzu]

Islam is not a religion but a political ideology.......So therefore it should be banned....That praying stuff is just a shadow to cover their evil intent.

https://www.votocrat.com/susane.lis...ble-and-unwelcome-in-australia-agree-disagree

Everything within a polity is political. From the food we eat to the road to the type of houses.

If religion, any religion, does not serve a political purpose, it would have died out a long time ago. So for Islam to be political is nothing new. Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Confucianism... they are all state sponsored and all serve a political purpose.

That does not mean that follower of the religion/ideology do so for political purpose. Often, followers just join for spiritual and social needs... just in their doing so, they unknowingly serve the ruler's political agenda.

As to Islam being evil and backward and genital mutilation... you sure we can't point to the bad stuff about other religion and religious leaders? There's no Catholic priests doing bad stuff to kids? There's no Christian or Jewish bombs flattening cities and starving people?

If we ask the Soviets what were they doing in Afghanistan in the 80s, they too will tell us they're there to free the savages. Ask the Chinese what they're doing in Tibet since the 50s and it's to free the Tibetans from a theocracy about some living god fooling peasants.

Should we take those claims seriously? But we tend to believe that about our own good deeds and noble intention.

I just saw a short news clip by our Paul Barry on the collapse of Detroit in the US. A councilman was saying that to help clean up an entire neighbourhood of abandoned and burnt down houses so that those who still live there feel safe and perhap bring back some value to their own property and the community... all he would need would be $10M.

But the US gov't just won't give it. $10M is the price of one landing gear on a fighter jet, but it won't be granted to help a US city in poverty. Yet somehow the US is overseas liberating other people, whether they like it or not.

Anyway, maybe to you all these is just some news and opinions... such believes does affect lives.

 

[noco]

Everything within a polity is political. From the food we eat to the road to the type of houses.

If religion, any religion, does not serve a political purpose, it would have died out a long time ago. So for Islam to be political is nothing new. Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Confucianism... they are all state sponsored and all serve a political purpose.

That does not mean that follower of the religion/ideology do so for political purpose. Often, followers just join for spiritual and social needs... just in their doing so, they unknowingly serve the ruler's political agenda.

As to Islam being evil and backward and genital mutilation... you sure we can't point to the bad stuff about other religion and religious leaders? There's no Catholic priests doing bad stuff to kids? There's no Christian or Jewish bombs flattening cities and starving people?

If we ask the Soviets what were they doing in Afghanistan in the 80s, they too will tell us they're there to free the savages. Ask the Chinese what they're doing in Tibet since the 50s and it's to free the Tibetans from a theocracy about some living god fooling peasants.

Should we take those claims seriously? But we tend to believe that about our own good deeds and noble intention.

I just saw a short news clip by our Paul Barry on the collapse of Detroit in the US. A councilman was saying that to help clean up an entire neighbourhood of abandoned and burnt down houses so that those who still live there feel safe and perhap bring back some value to their own property and the community... all he would need would be $10M.

But the US gov't just won't give it. $10M is the price of one landing gear on a fighter jet, but it won't be granted to help a US city in poverty. Yet somehow the US is overseas liberating other people, whether they like it or not.

Anyway, maybe to you all these is just some news and opinions... such believes does affect lives.

Luutzu, you can come up with all the rhetoric you like but it does not deny the fact that a very large majority in Australia do not like or want Muslims in this once great country of ours.....They are disrupting our way of life like never seen before.

A day never passes when you read or hear of some disturbance somewhere in Australia or on the other side of the World.

There will be civil war......I think it is Denmark who have already engaged their Army to to take charge of the radicals and to bring in law and order......More European countries will follow.

Islam is not a religion.

 

[Tisme]

Maybe they too believe in Australia, hence thinking they have the freedom to worship their Allah and eating certain kind of food and dressing certain way.

Think again I guess.

Yes think again, because inherent in their "religion" are insoluble draconian laws that are counter to our constitutional and precedent ones. Dress, food, worship are three things that are disparate to the core arguments about Islam here and elsewhere. Islam is a culture of submission to a punitive and vengeful power elite who rise though the ranks in an apprenticeship of human rights abuse.

There is ample self evidence anywhere you look between a miserable, primitive existence and Islam. Why you feel the need to defend it by picking the eyes our of the very few good bits to justify the monster that it is is stupifyingly frustrating.... if you actually do believe what you write.

As a student of Machiavelli I would suppose you know exactly why Islam is what it is and how it is not a spiritual religion of anything but a rote learned ritual, employed as a crowd control glue for manipulation, wealth, sport and whatever nuisance empire builders desire.

The real astonishing factor is that millions of people actually allow themselves to believe there is something worthwhile in the nonsense. It beggars belief that when offered freedom from the chains here, they still continue with the idiocy by doing the same drone things they did in their primitive country of origin. Compounding that is the deliberately confronting actions of women with a few bricks short of a load marrying Muslim men and accepting the requirement to wear head scarfs and leg coverings WTF!

 

[SirRumpole]

The real astonishing factor is that millions of people actually allow themselves to believe there is something worthwhile in the nonsense. It beggars belief that when offered freedom from the chains here, they still continue with the idiocy by doing the same drone things they did in their primitive country of origin.

Mind control, pure and simple. Please the Deity by killing infidels and you will be rewarded.

IMV, this sort of belief is symptomatic of mental illness and should be treated as such.

 

[Tisme]

IMV, this sort of belief is symptomatic of mental illness and should be treated as such.

Absolutely

 

[luutzu]

Luutzu, you can come up with all the rhetoric you like but it does not deny the fact that a very large majority in Australia do not like or want Muslims in this once great country of ours.....They are disrupting our way of life like never seen before.

A day never passes when you read or hear of some disturbance somewhere in Australia or on the other side of the World.

There will be civil war......I think it is Denmark who have already engaged their Army to to take charge of the radicals and to bring in law and order......More European countries will follow.

Islam is not a religion.

Noco, it's not going to be a "civil war" because the Muslim Australians were never considered Australian in the first place.

Maybe some Muslims are upset because, I don't know, the greatest noblest most kindest of imperial military power in the history of the world is blowing their country and people to bits. I'd be very worried for any religion or culture that aren't pizzed off about it. Wouldn't you?

 

[luutzu]

Mind control, pure and simple. Please the Deity by killing infidels and you will be rewarded.

IMV, this sort of belief is symptomatic of mental illness and should be treated as such.

That 72 virgin, blowing up infidels for Allah... that's a racist myth. Islam never taught that, it probably say something all culture and religion and people would say when a foreign power occupy and militarise your homeland.

 

[luutzu]

Yes think again, because inherent in their "religion" are insoluble draconian laws that are counter to our constitutional and precedent ones. Dress, food, worship are three things that are disparate to the core arguments about Islam here and elsewhere. Islam is a culture of submission to a punitive and vengeful power elite who rise though the ranks in an apprenticeship of human rights abuse.

There is ample self evidence anywhere you look between a miserable, primitive existence and Islam. Why you feel the need to defend it by picking the eyes our of the very few good bits to justify the monster that it is is stupifyingly frustrating.... if you actually do believe what you write.

As a student of Machiavelli I would suppose you know exactly why Islam is what it is and how it is not a spiritual religion of anything but a rote learned ritual, employed as a crowd control glue for manipulation, wealth, sport and whatever nuisance empire builders desire.

The real astonishing factor is that millions of people actually allow themselves to believe there is something worthwhile in the nonsense. It beggars belief that when offered freedom from the chains here, they still continue with the idiocy by doing the same drone things they did in their primitive country of origin. Compounding that is the deliberately confronting actions of women with a few bricks short of a load marrying Muslim men and accepting the requirement to wear head scarfs and leg coverings WTF!

and... Islam is different to Christianity or Judaism or any religion you care to name, how?

I'm not defending Islam or believe in its fairy tales. I'm defending people's rights to believe in those bs. Just like I'd defend a Christian or a Feng Shui believer's right to be screwed and lied to by the priesthood.

Come on McGee, you of all people ought to know that it'll take a generation or two to white wash the drunken hooliganism, terrorist-tendency out of savages (and Irish)

 

[noco]

and... Islam is different to Christianity or Judaism or any religion you care to name, how?

I'm not defending Islam or believe in its fairy tales. I'm defending people's rights to believe in those bs. Just like I'd defend a Christian or a Feng Shui believer's right to be screwed and lied to by the priesthood.

Come on McGee, you of all people ought to know that it'll take a generation or two to white wash the drunken hooliganism, terrorist-tendency out of savages (and Irish)

Luutzu, get it into your head.......Islam is not a religion.

 

[luutzu]

Luutzu, get it into your head.......Islam is not a religion.

Says you.

It has a God - the same one Christians and Jews worship.

It has a line up of Prophets, among them are Jesus and Moses.

It has a top layer of the high priests who can hear and speak to God [Allah]... and it managed to convince adults to believe in all its fairytales.

If a guy like you or me or McGee were to say the same stuff as is solemnly, honestly, seriously said in their holy books, we'd all be like you

 

[Tisme]

and... Islam is different to Christianity or Judaism or any religion you care to name, how?

I'm not defending Islam or believe in its fairy tales. I'm defending people's rights to believe in those bs. Just like I'd defend a Christian or a Feng Shui believer's right to be screwed and lied to by the priesthood.

Come on McGee, you of all people ought to know that it'll take a generation or two to white wash the drunken hooliganism, terrorist-tendency out of savages (and Irish)

What has Islam got to do with Christianity in the argument? The contest is between Islam and it's contemptuous abuse of the weak minded and majority underprivileged. If anything your argument adds weight to not allowing worse bad into an already bad situation... you seem to think Judeo Christianity is an evil in itself and that Australians are religious (which they are not, but like the rules that are grounded on JC ..... which leads me to ask how your family managed it into Australia and not being French Catholic ....very interesting?

It's a worry the washout hasn't happened to many Muslims in the burbs even after two gens.

 

[luutzu]

What has Islam got to do with Christianity in the argument? The contest is between Islam and it's contemptuous abuse of the weak minded and majority underprivileged. If anything your argument adds weight to not allowing worse bad into an already bad situation... you seem to think Judeo Christianity is an evil in itself and that Australians are religious (which they are not, but like the rules that are grounded on JC ..... which leads me to ask how your family managed it into Australia and not being French Catholic ....very interesting?

It's a worry the washout hasn't happened to many Muslims in the burbs even after two gens.

Didn't Jesus taught his followers to judge not, lest thou be judged? So if we're to say Islam is this, Muslims and its elders are that... you know, judge and be judged.

I went to school with Arabs and Muslims, none of them are terrorists or beaten up by their parents. And oh, Muslim girls goes to school too

My maternal grandparents and all their children are all Catholics. The type that attend Church every single day since birth. Oh look, Christians and Catholics never seek to convert anyone. It's only the Muslims that invade and force conversion.

 

[Tisme]

Didn't Jesus taught his followers to judge not, lest thou be judged? So if we're to say Islam is this, Muslims and its elders are that... you know, judge and be judged.

I'm comfortable being judged so that's no bogey to me.

You on the otherhand are going to perdition for breaking the the first three commandments and probably a dozen or so more!

 

[luutzu]

I'm comfortable being judged so that's no bogey to me.

You on the otherhand are going to perdition for breaking the the first three commandments and probably a dozen or so more!

There's still only 10 Commandments right?

But I'm not worried though, I haven't been baptised yet so just before I kick the bucket I'll take a bath in a river and wash all the sins away Will probably donate all my assets to the Church just to be safe too

Guess how many Christians tries to convert me all these years? There's the few Catholic friends I have that actually took me to Church where I can yawn my way through Church, shook strangers hands and ask for forgiveness (for some reason). There's the Watch Tower and Mormons now and then.

I'm starting to feel left out by the Muslims and Buddhists. The Monks only want my dad (and me) to do work for free; the Muslims just completely ignore us and our need for roast pork.