Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[Jorgensen]

Nothing wrong with the five pillars of Islam,if you are that way inclined.Islam is one of the three sky religions.
None of these,or others,has credence with a hedon like me.
As an old man told me years ago...beware of extremists of any persuasion.I always feel safer in Kuala Lumpur,a majority Muslim city,than I do in many places in Australia.

 

[noco]

https://www.votocrat.com/laura.zand...son-for-his-remarks-on-australian-flag-yes-no

 

[SirRumpole]

Islam, the religion of peace and tolerance...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-17/gay-men-in-aceh-sentenced-to-caning/8534054

 

[Tisme]

There's still only 10 Commandments right?

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They made up some more to cover your vicissitudes:

 

[MrBurns]

Muslims don't belong here but nothing will be done so get ready for suicide bombings and for our politicians declaring them unacceptable.

 

[MrBurns]

ISIS is based on Islam so that says it all.

 

[luutzu]

Islam, the religion of peace and tolerance...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-17/gay-men-in-aceh-sentenced-to-caning/8534054

Not defending what some idiot Muslim did, but come on man.

Here's what Christian England did to its genius and war hero, Alan Turing. The Father of the Computer; the man whose mathematical genius and engineering skill literally break the Nazi's "unbreakable" Enigma machine, saving an estimated 20 million lives.

He also happen to be gay. So when they found out (after the War), charged him for "indecency" and being nice and noble, let him choose between prison or chemical castration.

And no, Christianity hasn't changed, it merely got pushed aside by secular civil societies.

It's the same with Muslims and Arabs. They want democracy, they want to be secular, they do not want to be ruled by warlords and religious nutjobs. Guess who overturn any and all secular, democratically elected presidents among the Arab states?

And again, that wasn't done "a long time ago". Happening right now, in at least 7 Arab countries.

 

[luutzu]

ISIS is based on Islam so that says it all.

So does the KKK. So does Israel. So does certain countries sending the natives of the world to meet their makers.

Just because some group of warmongers and terrorists claim to do what it is they do in the name of this or that people or god or religion... does not make it so.

 

[luutzu]

They made up some more to cover your vicissitudes:

I guess Jesus did kick the money-changers out of his father's temple to make room for capitalists.

Was that a real commercial or one of those Fast-Forward skits?

 

[MrBurns]

So does the KKK. So does Israel. So does certain countries sending the natives of the world to meet their makers.

Just because some group of warmongers and terrorists claim to do what it is they do in the name of this or that people or god or religion... does not make it so.

Stop making excuses and face the truth Islam is an intolerant violent religion from the middle ages that hasn't changed in centuries and doesn't belong here.

 

[SirRumpole]

And no, Christianity hasn't changed, it merely got pushed aside by secular civil societies.

Yes, you got that right. Which is exactly what a secular civil society must do to Islam.

 

[luutzu]

Stop making excuses and face the truth Islam is an intolerant violent religion from the middle ages that hasn't changed in centuries and doesn't belong here.

Religion does not change. It is what God originally told his Son or his Prophets.

Society does change, people do become more civilised and tolerant and scientific-minded. So they push religion aside, ignore the crazy stuff while emphasise the good and tolerant/spiritual bits.

But if you have a religious nut running the place, they'll revert society back to how God would've wanted it (according to what God told them).

Just look at Bush Jr. or Trump and their stance on Stem cell research, gay marriage, abortion. Or Abbott on why coal and fossil is great. Or ask the Evangelicals why all of Philistine must belong to the Jews - so that Christ can return and bring about Armageddon.

So yes, Islam does not have a place in modern society. So does all other religion. And they're not really dominant in Australia and other secular democracies. And as long as they're kept out of politics and policies, as long as their followers gain spiritual assurance and comfort that does not harm anyone else... freedom of religion and speech and whatnot mean they can follow and pray to whoever they please.

 

[luutzu]

Yes, you got that right. Which is exactly what a secular civil society must do to Islam.

Islam plays no role in our politics and it's not going to. But that's very different from saying that Islam should be ban and its Muslims should be forced to eat pork or whatever.

Freedom isn't about doing what you or I feel is right and proper.

 

[SirRumpole]

And they're not really dominant in Australia and other secular democracies. And as long as they're kept out of politics and policies, as long as their followers gain spiritual assurance and comfort that does not harm anyone else... freedom of religion and speech and whatnot mean they can follow and pray to whoever they please.

You can't guarantee that Islam won't try and get its claws into our secular society. Look what happened at Punchbowl school, Epping school and others.

They ARE harming other people. Radicalising and spreading their poison. They have to be kept n a box and that means restricting their number here to reduce the chances of infection.

 

[noco]

Religion does not change. It is what God originally told his Son or his Prophets.

So did God come back to Earth to hold a conference with his Son and his Prophets to tell them what to do?
I mean how did God communicate with his Son and his prophets?

The Bible has been written no less than 3 times.

 

[luutzu]

You can't guarantee that Islam won't try and get its claws into our secular society. Look what happened at Punchbowl school, Epping school and others.

They ARE harming other people. Radicalising and spreading their poison. They have to be kept n a box and that means restricting their number here to reduce the chances of infection.

Jesus Christ man! ha ha

Lots of stuff are harming people in Australia, and it's not only tolerated but and even encouraged and promoted. Like property "investment", alcohol, bikinis near roads, gambling, fossil fuel and its exports, Asian drivers

Islam remove two of those dangers.

 

[luutzu]

So did God come back to Earth to hold a conference with his Son and his Prophets to tell them what to do?
I mean how did God communicate with his Son and his prophets?

The Bible has been written no less than 3 times.

In the Beginning, God created the world in six days, haha... then He created Adam... seeing that Adam was lonely he pull a rib and create Eve. Even screw around with God's precious apple and so He blew his top, telling them two to get the heck out of his Eden forever and ever and ever.

Then, without any help or guidance, Adam and Eve's descendants really messed the place up. So God decided to flood and drown them all like rats. Except for Noah and his family and two of each species.

Then something, something happen until the Egyptian enslave the Hebrews... Moses eventually free God's chosen people because the dude can't be bothered to just tell the Arabs to let his people go. Once free, God let his chosen people wonder the desert for 40 years for some reason... Not that he forgot 'cause, according to Moses, he did gave them the 10 Commandments, though you'd think he could also point to where there's water and food and shelter while he's at it.

Then the Hebrew eventually found safe haven, then soon enough start to slaughter the Natives. Ahem... Not to be outdone, the Romans later took over, colonised the chosen people until Jesus was immaculately conceived and got literally crucified when the Jewish rabbis, working with the Romans, weren't too keen on Christ pointing out the bad stuff and claiming to be their God's son, sent here by Him to give his creation another chance because Judaism corrupt the place.

Nothing came much from Christ's death and resurrection until Peter and Paul decided there's some money to be made spreading the word and building a Church where worshippers pay a reasonable few bucks for lunch and dinner. It became popular enough that eventually Constantine thought he might as well use it to turn the war for what's left of the Roman empire in his favour. It did lift the troops spirits knowing that God is on their side so Christianity became official.

Then they start to persecute other lunatic scammers until an Arab came along.

Not counting Adam and Noah, Muhammad the third and final Prophet from God. The Arab know this because Muhammad went up the mountain and came down with the news.

There's actually a fourth and fifth time God spoke to one of his creatures. Well there's John Smith [or whatever his name was] who hear God in the woods, told him where Eden was [somewhere in Pennsylvania, US?] and so he established the Mormons.

The fifth one was his other Chinese warlord during the waning years of the Ching Dynasty, when European liberators were carving up certain parts of China. He claimed to be Jesus Christ's brother, established a kingdom of heavenly peace [or something like that]... and did took a big chunk out of Ching's China before his dynasty was taken out.

Then I guess there's Scientology. With Tom Cruise no doubt one of the prophets.

I might start a temple one day. It's a great business model

 

[noco]

In the Beginning, God created the world in six days, haha... then He created Adam... seeing that Adam was lonely he pull a rib and create Eve. Even screw around with God's precious apple and so He blew his top, telling them two to get the heck out of his Eden forever and ever and ever.

Then, without any help or guidance, Adam and Eve's descendants really messed the place up. So God decided to flood and drown them all like rats. Except for Noah and his family and two of each species.

Then something, something happen until the Egyptian enslave the Hebrews... Moses eventually free God's chosen people because the dude can't be bothered to just tell the Arabs to let his people go. Once free, God let his chosen people wonder the desert for 40 years for some reason... Not that he forgot 'cause, according to Moses, he did gave them the 10 Commandments, though you'd think he could also point to where there's water and food and shelter while he's at it.

Then the Hebrew eventually found safe haven, then soon enough start to slaughter the Natives. Ahem... Not to be outdone, the Romans later took over, colonised the chosen people until Jesus was immaculately conceived and got literally crucified when the Jewish rabbis, working with the Romans, weren't too keen on Christ pointing out the bad stuff and claiming to be their God's son, sent here by Him to give his creation another chance because Judaism corrupt the place.

Nothing came much from Christ's death and resurrection until Peter and Paul decided there's some money to be made spreading the word and building a Church where worshippers pay a reasonable few bucks for lunch and dinner. It became popular enough that eventually Constantine thought he might as well use it to turn the war for what's left of the Roman empire in his favour. It did lift the troops spirits knowing that God is on their side so Christianity became official.

Then they start to persecute other lunatic scammers until an Arab came along.

Not counting Adam and Noah, Muhammad the third and final Prophet from God. The Arab know this because Muhammad went up the mountain and came down with the news.

There's actually a fourth and fifth time God spoke to one of his creatures. Well there's John Smith [or whatever his name was] who hear God in the woods, told him where Eden was [somewhere in Pennsylvania, US?] and so he established the Mormons.

The fifth one was his other Chinese warlord during the waning years of the Ching Dynasty, when European liberators were carving up certain parts of China. He claimed to be Jesus Christ's brother, established a kingdom of heavenly peace [or something like that]... and did took a big chunk out of Ching's China before his dynasty was taken out.

Then I guess there's Scientology. With Tom Cruise no doubt one of the prophets.

I might start a temple one day. It's a great business model

I guess you also still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny.

How did God communicate with these creatures he is supposed to have created in 6 days.

Did God come back to Earth in a space ship...Did he use a telephone.....Please give me some answers Luutzu.

 

[noco]

http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/i...troying-the-world-watch-this-and-think-again/

 

[SirRumpole]

Lots of stuff are harming people in Australia, and it's not only tolerated but and even encouraged and promoted. Like property "investment", alcohol, bikinis near roads, gambling, fossil fuel and its exports, Asian drivers

Easy to laugh, but actions are being taken against a lot of the "evils" you mentioned (except bikinis which I don't accept is a danger).

On the other hand, Islamic extremism is being downgraded in the name of PC, and "inclusion" which is naive at best.

All religion is mind control, we have to acknowledge that. When people's perceived duty to their "god" overrides their duty to their fellow man, they should be put away.