Yeah no worries, don't let that distract you from the fact you didnt read my post and got it wrong once again.
Islam: Is it inherently Evil?
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It is simply a fact that some Muslim children are being raised to hate Westerners and Western values ? Do you deny this ?
What proportion this is of the total Muslim population I don't know. It's probably quite small at the moment, but it's known that when people form gangs whether it be outlaw motorcyclists or jihadis, law and order goes out the window in favour of a battle between rival alpha males for dominance within the group and that may include a show of bravery in planning jihadi attacks or other shows of macho bravado.
So what your basis for saying that Western children in general are part of a "violent indoctrination" as you put it ? I certainly wasn't but that was a long time ago. Violent crime seems to be reducing in Australia so we are told, but the level of Islamic jihadi incidents or other unsavoury acts by Muslims appear to be increasing. Would you agree ? How do you account for this ?
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ONE statistic that should send a shiver down your spine is that almost all the young jihadists who have been radicalised in Australia have been educated at government schools, not religious schools.
Sydney school teacher terrified by Middle Eastern students tells her story
Our politically correct, feminised public school system now creates a vacuum of values and certainty that is failing teachers and students alike. It is fertile ground for propagandists, whether Islamists taking over Arabic language Koranic scripture classes in schools or the cultural relativism of the ABC’s “Behind the News” education program which is screened in class.
This is why we should heed the warnings of courageous Mrs A, a former teacher of Punchbowl Public School, who says that Muslim students as young as 10 are showing signs of early radicalisation which is being ignored by authorities and creating a ticking time bomb for the future.
Until she was hounded out of the predominantly Muslim school in Sydney’s southwest two years ago, Mrs A was forced to stand by helplessly as students brought ISIS-style flags to school, made threatening “beheading” gestures to her, wrote abusive graffiti about her family, bailed her up to chant the Koran in Arabic in her face, and demanded she remove the cross around her neck.
Mrs A from Punchbowl Public School. (Pic: Supplied)
She claims her complaints were not taken seriously by the principal or the department, and that the school’s absurdly ineffective disciplinary procedures disempowered teachers.
“There was physical violence, abuse of teachers and abuse of each other. I’m talking kids bashing each other with closed fists… and it was getting worse.”
Tensions escalated in 2014 when ISIS was rampaging across Syria and Iraq.
“It was Muslim on Christian, and Muslim on Muslim because some are Sunni and some are Shia. You had cousins fighting each other because their families were fighting.”
“There were also some really good Muslim kids that were very respectful [and] just wanted to come to school and learn.”
But those good students, too, were victims, because little learning was possible amid the chaos, as can be seen from stagnant, subpar NAPLAN scores.
Mrs A thinks she was targeted because of the cross she wore around her neck. “Students didn’t like it. [They would say] ‘Miss, your cross is offensive. Take it off. Why are you wearing a cross for?’”
Mrs A said the cross she wore drew unwanted negative attention from some of her students. (Pic: iStock)
The 46-year-old blonde mother-of-two, who grew up in Bankstown, and taught in the area for a decade, said she became “so jittery and nervous” before class she was “taking deep breaths and wondering what will today hold for me.
“I was a nervous wreck… It wasn’t just the fact of what the kids were doing, it was [school leaders] second-guessing the teachers.”
She also claims at least three teachers took stress leave and received counselling.
“These kids were abusing the crap out of us.”
Mrs A made public her complaints anonymously in the Daily Telegraph in March and last week revealed her face on Mark Latham’s Outsiders Facebook show.
She since has produced documents to back up her claims, including more than 200 incident reports logged in the “Wellbeing” section of the school’s “Sentral” computer database in 2014.
They tell the story of a group of troubled boys, aged between 10 and 12, big for their age, abusing teachers, fighting and threatening each other with scissors, kicking sand in girls’ faces, calling girls “dog”, and banned from the canteen for being “constantly rude [and trying] to steal food from the counter”.
The reports also tell a story of absent fathers, and disconnected mothers busy with large families.
While bad behaviour was learned at home, Mrs A says the school “reinforced” it by stripping classroom teachers of authority with a disciplinary system called “Working it out”.
This operated as a lunchtime kangaroo court in which students and teachers were sent slips of paper from the office with an appointed time to turn up and put their case.
Executive teachers would sit as mediators hearing both sides and then tell teacher and student to “work it out”.
“These kids were abusing the crap out of us,” Mrs A said.
Instead of meting out immediate punishments for bad behaviour, teachers had to engage in this drawn out charade of “restorative justice”.
Mrs A said teachers felt they were being punished and “the kids loved it. They were laughing at us. Our kids had worked out it was giving them the power”.
In the end, teachers turned their backs on playground fights, unable to intervene and knowing it was pointless to follow up.
“Kids’ behaviour was getting worse. It was escalating.”
Casual teachers would come to the school and leave after a day.
But with an oversupply of 40,000 teachers in NSW unable to secure a permanent job, Mrs A says colleagues were frightened to make waves.
“If you complained you got no reference. You have to toe the school line”.
The picture she paints is of anxious, under-parented boys latching on to a dimly understood Islam as a symbol of rebellion and power. Add progressive, laissez faire teaching methods which don’t suit boys, and you have the perfect storm.
It is a problem that threatens to disenfranchise a generation of children and create future national security issues, unless education authorities act now.
POSTSCRIPT:
Mrs A’s ordeal occurred during the reign of the politically correct former Education Minister Adrian Piccoli.
But yesterday, the new minister, Rob Stokes, stepped in to order “the Department to contact the teacher, known as Mrs A, to organise a reinvestigation of the reported matters in 2014 and to offer an opportunity for me to speak to her personally about her concerns”.
“As Minister for Education I am concerned about any attack on our hardworking teachers.”
The hidden Islamist radicalisation in our schools
ONE statistic that should send a shiver down your spine is that almost all the young jihadists who have been radicalised in Australia have been educated at government schools, not religious schools.
dailytelegraph.com.au
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ONE statistic that should send a shiver down your spine is that almost all the young jihadists who have been radicalised in Australia have been educated at government schools, not religious schools.
Sydney school teacher terrified by Middle Eastern students tells her story
Our politically correct, feminised public school system now creates a vacuum of values and certainty that is failing teachers and students alike. It is fertile ground for propagandists, whether Islamists taking over Arabic language Koranic scripture classes in schools or the cultural relativism of the ABC’s “Behind the News” education program which is screened in class.
This is why we should heed the warnings of courageous Mrs A, a former teacher of Punchbowl Public School, who says that Muslim students as young as 10 are showing signs of early radicalisation which is being ignored by authorities and creating a ticking time bomb for the future.
Until she was hounded out of the predominantly Muslim school in Sydney’s southwest two years ago, Mrs A was forced to stand by helplessly as students brought ISIS-style flags to school, made threatening “beheading” gestures to her, wrote abusive graffiti about her family, bailed her up to chant the Koran in Arabic in her face, and demanded she remove the cross around her neck.
Mrs A from Punchbowl Public School. (Pic: Supplied)
She claims her complaints were not taken seriously by the principal or the department, and that the school’s absurdly ineffective disciplinary procedures disempowered teachers.
“There was physical violence, abuse of teachers and abuse of each other. I’m talking kids bashing each other with closed fists… and it was getting worse.”
Tensions escalated in 2014 when ISIS was rampaging across Syria and Iraq.
“It was Muslim on Christian, and Muslim on Muslim because some are Sunni and some are Shia. You had cousins fighting each other because their families were fighting.”
“There were also some really good Muslim kids that were very respectful [and] just wanted to come to school and learn.”
But those good students, too, were victims, because little learning was possible amid the chaos, as can be seen from stagnant, subpar NAPLAN scores.
Mrs A thinks she was targeted because of the cross she wore around her neck. “Students didn’t like it. [They would say] ‘Miss, your cross is offensive. Take it off. Why are you wearing a cross for?’”
Mrs A said the cross she wore drew unwanted negative attention from some of her students. (Pic: iStock)
The 46-year-old blonde mother-of-two, who grew up in Bankstown, and taught in the area for a decade, said she became “so jittery and nervous” before class she was “taking deep breaths and wondering what will today hold for me.
“I was a nervous wreck… It wasn’t just the fact of what the kids were doing, it was [school leaders] second-guessing the teachers.”
She also claims at least three teachers took stress leave and received counselling.
“These kids were abusing the crap out of us.”
Mrs A made public her complaints anonymously in the Daily Telegraph in March and last week revealed her face on Mark Latham’s Outsiders Facebook show.
She since has produced documents to back up her claims, including more than 200 incident reports logged in the “Wellbeing” section of the school’s “Sentral” computer database in 2014.
They tell the story of a group of troubled boys, aged between 10 and 12, big for their age, abusing teachers, fighting and threatening each other with scissors, kicking sand in girls’ faces, calling girls “dog”, and banned from the canteen for being “constantly rude [and trying] to steal food from the counter”.
The reports also tell a story of absent fathers, and disconnected mothers busy with large families.
While bad behaviour was learned at home, Mrs A says the school “reinforced” it by stripping classroom teachers of authority with a disciplinary system called “Working it out”.
This operated as a lunchtime kangaroo court in which students and teachers were sent slips of paper from the office with an appointed time to turn up and put their case.
Executive teachers would sit as mediators hearing both sides and then tell teacher and student to “work it out”.
“These kids were abusing the crap out of us,” Mrs A said.
Instead of meting out immediate punishments for bad behaviour, teachers had to engage in this drawn out charade of “restorative justice”.
Mrs A said teachers felt they were being punished and “the kids loved it. They were laughing at us. Our kids had worked out it was giving them the power”.
In the end, teachers turned their backs on playground fights, unable to intervene and knowing it was pointless to follow up.
“Kids’ behaviour was getting worse. It was escalating.”
Casual teachers would come to the school and leave after a day.
But with an oversupply of 40,000 teachers in NSW unable to secure a permanent job, Mrs A says colleagues were frightened to make waves.
“If you complained you got no reference. You have to toe the school line”.
The picture she paints is of anxious, under-parented boys latching on to a dimly understood Islam as a symbol of rebellion and power. Add progressive, laissez faire teaching methods which don’t suit boys, and you have the perfect storm.
It is a problem that threatens to disenfranchise a generation of children and create future national security issues, unless education authorities act now.
POSTSCRIPT:
Mrs A’s ordeal occurred during the reign of the politically correct former Education Minister Adrian Piccoli.
But yesterday, the new minister, Rob Stokes, stepped in to order “the Department to contact the teacher, known as Mrs A, to organise a reinvestigation of the reported matters in 2014 and to offer an opportunity for me to speak to her personally about her concerns”.
“As Minister for Education I am concerned about any attack on our hardworking teachers.”
The hidden Islamist radicalisation in our schools
ONE statistic that should send a shiver down your spine is that almost all the young jihadists who have been radicalised in Australia have been educated at government schools, not religious schools.
dailytelegraph.com.au
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Young people are brought up in Western civilization to believe that acts of war are OK, because they are heroic and for our cause. They're shown constantly that carpet bombing in the Middle East is fine, because the powers that be say it is, and that the people being bombed are worse than us, they're barbarians and if we don't bomb them they will takeover the world. Any act of violence or resistance that they show in return is not OK, they're not allowed to retaliate because we said so.
TL;DR version: Young people are told violence against others is OK if it's for a proper cause and the government says it is.
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Young people may be told that, and some may believe it, but during the Vietnam war there were widespread protests against conscription leading to its abolition, so the young aren't as silly as you make out.
Have a think about who are the aggressors in Australia ATM.......A small minority at this stage (2.2%) who have invaded our country and are hell bent on disrupting our way of life......Who are now here as our guests...Who are here abusing our welfare system......Who don't want to accept our laws ......Who don't want to assimilate into our society......Who openly state they will take over our country and introduce Sharia law......
So why do we have to put up with it all?.......Because we have a weak government allowing it all to happen.....The Turnbull Government is not interested in what the true blue Australians want.......The majority of Australians want no more Muslim immigration.....Close all Muslim schools and Islamic mosques......If Muslims want that way of life, then let them go back to where they came.
Don't start suggesting they have come from oppressive countries for an easier way of of life...If that is the case then they should accept our way of life and not bring in the life they are supposed to be running away from.....We don't want to see signs going up "YOU ARE NOW IN AN EXCLUSIVE ISLAMIC ZONE" and this is what is happening in the UK and some European Countries....
Put Australia first and let us get back to our way of life without the disruption of a few....Without the fear of not feeling safe on our own streets.......Of young Christian girls fearing of being being gang raped by Muslims who believe it is their right.
I don't think I ever said they were silly or that it wasn't possible for them to question what they were told. But the evidence right in front of me seems to suggest that for some it is fairly insurmountable.
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Well, yes people join the Armed Forces voluntarily, that doesn't necessarily mean that they think war is a good idea, they may just want a job. Fighter pilots usually go on to be airline pilots at a better pay grade for example.
What evidence is in front of you that forms your opinion ?
And Islam have their well trained Army Forces also...Some of them right here in Australia ready and willing to take up arms when required.
And the UK police are protecting Islam by arresting people who are out on the street demonstrating against the invasion of Muslims into their country........The same will soon be happening here in Australia......Our true blue Australians must stand up now before it is too late.
I warned about this 7 and 10 years ago on ASF.......I was accused of being racist and had my post deleted on two occasions.......People in the UK are starting to rise against Islam.....Is it too late?...Maybe.
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBr...455573433044/1339890362822888/?type=2&theater
I warned about this 7 and 10 years ago on ASF.......I was accused of being racist and had my post deleted on two occasions.......People in the UK are starting to rise against Islam.....Is it too late?...Maybe.
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBr...455573433044/1339890362822888/?type=2&theater
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Leaving my house on Saturday only 50 metres from my place on the next corner a bloke on the nature strip facing the setting sun eyes closed arms crossed with a mat in front of him, do Muslims face West to pray? It was disturbing I must say.
Just checked yes they face West when in Australia.
Just checked yes they face West when in Australia.
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Do they vector the location to make sure they bullseye Mecca or is it hit and miss? I'm amazed they can handle the belief the world is a sphere, yet they believe in fairies ....
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Google it and you'll see it depends on where you are .....which hemisphere etc
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Yeah but if you just face east or west you will merely be praying to a latitude. Surely if this fella was, say. in Perth he'd have to face north of west by some degree to take in the difference between 31degs South and 21degs North destination, then the curvature of the earth, etc?
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Near enough is good enough. She'll be right effendi.
Do prayers radiate from the noggin perimeter or just one small transmission portal? I say this because for some obscure reason you see Christians kneeling with eyes closed and facing groundward, other times you see them looking up in the sky muttering to the clouds. In the Islam they point their bums to the sky and faces down, what's that all about?
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Aligning the S Band antenna maybe ? Facing groundward is a worry though, that where the "Other One" usually resides.
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When they start laying prayer mats in public near your home it's a worry but no one will do anything about it , even when the suicide bombers start the Govt will do nothing.
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You could always drive past him and loudly honk your horn to disrupt the etheric link to his sky fairy.
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And interrupt him getting instructions from Allah to destroy the infidels ?
That would be discriminatory under our laws and he would get compo.
That would be discriminatory under our laws and he would get compo.
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