Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[luutzu]

I don't think you are an idiot, you are quite compassionate but you only see one side of the story.

Religion is the curse of the world and we don't need more brainwashed people in this country regardless of whether they are likeable or not.

The trouble that the brainwashed people have caused in other countries is a warning of what will happen here if they get a hold and it already has. Monis et al are out there just waiting.

There really is no reason for me to take one side of the story. If I have to pick a side, I'd just pick the side the media and most of our politicians are ramming on us.

For me to say that wait, maybe Islam and Muslims aren't all crazed terrorists mean I've looked from both sides already. What with not being a Muslim and all.

Like you, I would rather there aren't any religion. And we can mock and poke holes into Islam and any other religion and Creation stories when we bother to. But it is very different to basically condemning a group of people with all the horrific stuff some people who look and sound, profess to follow the same religion as they do... that's a step too far.

I mean, would we like it if, say, other people start blaming us for being crazy Christian by pointing to a few, you know, crazy Christian they see?

With regards to Monis and other Muslims... What our leadership have done is give crazy Muslims an excuse to make their crime more "noble" than what it is. So when Monis, a Muslims with criminal, murder, and a bunch of stuff he's about to be locked up for... instead of killing himself or go to prison... he use Islam and Jihad as a pretext to going crazy.

That's not to say there won't be actual terrorism by political/war terrorist from actual ISIS and other groups, all done by die hard Muslim Jahadist. But there is a difference between an act of war through terrorism than merely some Muslim whose domestic issues pushes him to the edge.

 

[luutzu]

As I said before, I and others are only wasting our breath with you.....You have a lot to learn but you don't seem to be taking any lessons from anybody.......You will never change with your set ideas so I am going to have to agree to disagree with you....Good luck with your ideology in the future.......You will just have to learn the hard way.

Where do you reckon I got my "ideology" from? Facts? Historians? Real journalists?

That's called research and understanding noco.

Take Israel's last "war" on Gaza... Look into it.

All those 3000 Palestinians weren't slaughtered because Hamas decided to fire "rockets" into Israel so Israel have to respond. Bloody Bibi Yahoo and his warmongers started it.

That's not fiction or ideology. Just the facts.

I can go into more detail if you like; I can even link you a few interviews on YouTube from journalists and scholars who actually look into that particular "mowing the lawn" episode... or as a US arms depot in Israel was quoted as saying - removing the top soil.

Or look up Check Point, an older documentary at the countless checkpoints Israel sets up to basically make life more miserable for the Palestinians.

And here why knowing these things are relevant to Australia and that treasured value: Israel exports those "security" know-how all over the world, Australia is a keen buyer.

If you think it's just to keep the Muslims in line, good luck with that treasured freedom and civil rights here Down Under.

 

[luutzu]

Indonesian Muslims might get real evil real soon.

Seriously, a coup to replace Indonesia's president with the military? Orchestrated by Trump supporters and business partners, one in Indonesia and another in New York? Backing ISIS-inspired Indonesian terrorist?

This is right in Australia's backyard. Can you imagine the possible fallout if its civilian, democratic gov't disappeared and throw the country into a civil war?

Australia might become the next Turkey when most its neighbours' civilian gov't collapsed.

 

[Tisme]

Someone needs to come to the defence of the Muslims mentioned in this article written by an an obvious islamophobe....

Christians also increasingly are fair game for intimidation by the militant LGBTI lobby, but for the most part, Christophobia is downplayed.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/re...s/news-story/2bb6f9a158146e963355a6da3adbe70a

 

[luutzu]

Someone needs to come to the defence of the Muslims mentioned in this article written by an an obvious islamophobe....



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/re...s/news-story/2bb6f9a158146e963355a6da3adbe70a

I love the kind of argument that says the other racists are bad and horrible, so why can't we also be racist and horrible too?

She meant, look what they did to innocent (Christians) who mind their own business. Why can't we good (Christian) do the same to their innocent Muslims.

Someone should tell Miranda that it's not OK to attack anyone, from any faith. Full stop.

 

[SirRumpole]

I love the kind of argument that says the other racists are bad and horrible, so why can't we also be racist and horrible too?

I didn't see that argument, the report was simply pointing out facts.

Have you seen any reports of Christians, and I mean real church going God bothering Christians not anyone you may describe as "white" going around attacking Muslims because of their faith ?

The fact is that Muslims form gangs and go around attacking people they don't like, so Islam is not a religion anymore, it's actually a terrorist organisation. That is what Islam motivates people to do so it's not something we want to grow in this country so that there are more of those idiots thinking they can take over the place.

 

[luutzu]

I didn't see that argument, the report was simply pointing out facts.

Have you seen any reports of Christians, and I mean real church going God bothering Christians not anyone you may describe as "white" going around attacking Muslims because of their faith ?

The fact is that Muslims form gangs and go around attacking people they don't like, so Islam is not a religion anymore, it's actually a terrorist organisation. That is what Islam motivates people to do so it's not something we want to grow in this country so that there are more of those idiots thinking they can take over the place.

If Allah bothering Muslims were all thugs going out there to beat up and destroy anything non-Muslim, all the Churches around my place would have been defaced and all alcohol or non-Halal food would have been burnt down or something.

There's three Churches within a block radius of where I live. One of them is quite a big one. And down its street, a block away, is a pretty big Mosque where it's always crowded.

If Muslims goes to Mosques to be taught to hate Christians and other faith, they'd be breaking down those churches right after their session. I mean, it's on the way to their car and it's right after a dose of hate, right?

And no, that article was more opinions and innuendo than facts. The only fact was that a Christian couple was beaten up by a Muslim gang. Then her citing of the rise in anti-Semitic racism... wink wink, it's the Muslims who hates the Jews, White and Christians couldn't possibly hate Jews right? They're brothers.

Don't mistake this for defending Islam or thuggeries. Just we can't go blaming innocent people for the crimes of others. If we were to do that, all Australians would be in prison because criminals came from all ethnic and religious background.

I mean, noco wouldn't want to be blamed for your beliefs, and neither would you for his. Aren't you two also White. I probably can't tell the difference.

 

[Tisme]

Taxpayer monies at work: (of course the Universities already provide Muslim only rooms and toilets)

Adelaide Muslim leader Waleed al-Khazrajy invited Senator Bernardi to meet him. He said a separate prayer room in the RAH site would cater to many workers and students. “The prayer rituals for the Muslims will consume most of the room and they will line up in lines as a gathering to conduct that prayer, which will probably interfere with other people’s presence in that room,” he said

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...e/news-story/1229d24d570b2015374134c09dadabab

 

[Tisme]

If Allah bothering Muslims were all thugs going out there to beat up and destroy anything non-Muslim, all the Churches around my place would have been defaced and all alcohol or non-Halal food would have been burnt down or something.

There's three Churches within a block radius of where I live. One of them is quite a big one. And down its street, a block away, is a pretty big Mosque where it's always crowded.

If Muslims goes to Mosques to be taught to hate Christians and other faith, they'd be breaking down those churches right after their session. I mean, it's on the way to their car and it's right after a dose of hate, right?

And no, that article was more opinions and innuendo than facts. The only fact was that a Christian couple was beaten up by a Muslim gang. Then her citing of the rise in anti-Semitic racism... wink wink, it's the Muslims who hates the Jews, White and Christians couldn't possibly hate Jews right? They're brothers.

Don't mistake this for defending Islam or thuggeries. Just we can't go blaming innocent people for the crimes of others. If we were to do that, all Australians would be in prison because criminals came from all ethnic and religious background.

I mean, noco wouldn't want to be blamed for your beliefs, and neither would you for his. Aren't you two also White. I probably can't tell the difference.

If you are going to saddle up and ride around with red necked cowboys you are going to be branded a red necked cowboy. None of us force Muslims to believe we should be expunged from the face of the earth, we don't force them into nonsence female uniforms of defiance, etc... it's their choice to parade their barbarity and primitivism so they have to own the criticism and distrust.

 

[luutzu]

If you are going to saddle up and ride around with red necked cowboys you are going to be branded a red necked cowboy. None of us force Muslims to believe we should be expunged from the face of the earth, we don't force them into nonsence female uniforms of defiance, etc... it's their choice to parade their barbarity and primitivism so they have to own the criticism and distrust.

That, or... or some people just mind their own business and some imperialist warmonger thought there's just too much oil and no proper military to defend it... so let's mobilise our superior military and take it.

Can't convince a nation to move against innocent people living their backward ways - we're not living in the 1950s anymore. So you get the propaganda machine going and voila, evil terrorists with evil religion who for some reason don't like their land being invaded and their people slaughtered whenever. Dam terrorists!

So there's that.

btw, saw a headline on Reuters that Hamas have now ceased to call for the destruction of Israel. Nevermind that they've done that a decade or so ago; never mind that Israeli security apparatus created Hamas to counter the PA in Gaza; never mind that Hamas was a political party that got democratically elected into power and former US president Jimmy Carter-led UN election supervisory body confirm the election was fair and balance...

But do mind that, as Hillary Clinton recently regrets, you only permit election and recognise terrorists as "moderate" if you can control the outcome and of course like that outcome.


Anyway, a bit too simple with all these race and religion thing McGee. Your Irish blood would at least appreciate what the English blood was calling it not too long ago.

 

[Tisme]

That, or... or some people just mind their own business and some imperialist warmonger thought there's just too much oil and no proper military to defend it... so let's mobilise our superior military and take it.

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That was never a scenario to begin with my contrite friend. You might like to revisit Ottoman Empires and beyond

 

[luutzu]

That was never a scenario to begin with my contrite friend. You might like to revisit Ottoman Empires and beyond

We can go back to the Roman Empire, or the Hellenistic era of Alexander if you like. Same principles applied - bringing freedom, liberty, civilisation (and only a little tiny bit of force) to the savages.

Didn't the French and the British divvy up what was left of the Ottoman? Was using the ANZAC to take its motherland - Turkey? Then the US kinda took over British ME operating model once Hitler was gone?

Again, it's not a European or a white guy thing... just an imperial thing. I mean, even the little Vietnamese took over a few kingdoms - some 3/4 of modern day VN used to belong to the Champa, the Cambodian and a handful of other (now) minority people.

War and empire. It's a nasty business where "great" men have no problem slaughtering millions just so there's a statue of themselves in some park getting shiet on by birds all day. That and in some history book where, depending on who's the author, your name get mentioned in good or bad lights.

 

[noco]

Indonesian Muslims might get real evil real soon.

Seriously, a coup to replace Indonesia's president with the military? Orchestrated by Trump supporters and business partners, one in Indonesia and another in New York? Backing ISIS-inspired Indonesian terrorist?

This is right in Australia's backyard. Can you imagine the possible fallout if its civilian, democratic gov't disappeared and throw the country into a civil war?

Australia might become the next Turkey when most its neighbours' civilian gov't collapsed.

That video was a hoax and you fell for it.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...-military-files-lawsuit-over-hoax-coup-story/

 

[luutzu]

That video was a hoax and you fell for it.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...-military-files-lawsuit-over-hoax-coup-story/

Breitbart is your source?

Its former chief became Trump's advisor when his campaign wasn't so well. He played a big part in Trump winning then Time Magazine got smart by doing an entire profile on him, calling him the real strategist who actually run the White House.

Trump didn't like it so fired the guy.

Oh yea, it's not a real news organisation. More commentary and bs than Murdoch's press.

 

[noco]

https://www.votocrat.com/susane.lisa/poll-do-you-want-ban-of-islamic-schools-in-australia

 

[luutzu]

https://www.votocrat.com/susane.lisa/poll-do-you-want-ban-of-islamic-schools-in-australia

Interesting interview with former US Sec of State Colin Powell's Chief of Staff.

Basically the war on Islamic terrorism is an excuse between the "great" powers and their grand strategies. That central Asia/Middle East is the focal point where three powers are going to be duking it out.

Man, if we think Afghanistan was by the Soviets, further screwed under the Taliban, further flatten by the Alliance over the past sixteen years... if Wilkerson is right about what lies ahead between China, US and Russia confronting each other at this crossroad, it'll be a miracle if there's such a people as Afghani in another few decade.

Then there's the Asian satellites. Going to be smash, again, in another Cold War.

 

[noco]

This a shocking state of affairs and should be stopped.......If there was an increase in the GST, consumers would be shouting from the highest rough and the media would have a have a ball.

The Government has to put a stop to this Halal rip off........A Royal Commission is required into the Islamic activities in Australia.

http://www.pickeringpost.com/story/how-the-saudis-spend-your-grocery-money/4189

 

[Jorgensen]

And while they are about it...stop the gluten free ,organic and free range rorts.

 

[Junior]

I prefer actual data. The increasing cost of housing, electricity, gas & water is a far far greater drain on your wallet than food in this country. Can't blame any of those things on Islam though I guess.

Cost of food versus CPI in Australia

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/food-inflation

Does Halal certification increase costs to consumers?
The cost of obtaining Halal certification varies depending on the product involved, the organisation from which certification is sought and whether the goods are for export or domestic consumption. However, the fees are often modest.

For large-scale manufacturing the cost of certification in the context of overall manufacturing, advertising and distribution costs has little, if any, impact on a product’s price. For example, in relation to Halal certification, the Senate Economics References Committee (the Committee) noted, in a 2015 report on third party certification of food that ‘evidence received by the committee overwhelmingly suggests that Halal certification does not result in increased food prices’.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...Library/pubs/rp/rp1617/Quick_Guides/HalalCert

 

[noco]

I prefer actual data. The increasing cost of housing, electricity, gas & water is a far far greater drain on your wallet than food in this country. Can't blame any of those things on Islam though I guess.

Cost of food versus CPI in Australia

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/food-inflation



http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...Library/pubs/rp/rp1617/Quick_Guides/HalalCert

So Junior, you are quite happy to give you money to the Muslims?

The way it works is this: Muslims approach food producers and manufacturers of almost every item that's sold and insist that they pay an ongoing fee to be able to continue to sell their produce and goods as Halal Certified.


If the producers refuse, they will be threatened with exclusion from Islamic export markets and boycotted by Muslims in the home market. This has already happened in Australia with devastating results.


Those who still refuse are labelled as bigots and Islamophobes. These sums of money are not inconsequential, we are talking about up to $40,000 per month for a single chicken producer.


When all the food producers and manufacturers in Australia are added up, we are talking about an enormous transfer of wealth from non-Muslims to Muslims.


The most worrying aspect of this whole sorry affair is that we have no guarantee that the money is not being used to fund violent jihad around the world against both Muslims and non-Muslims. Given the amount of Islamic violence currently raging, this is a very real concern.