Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[luutzu]

If you watched Peter Dutton in parliament yesterday you'd wonder if someone was holding his family hostage.

hot a video?

 

[noco]

Do your own research.

Well that explains you to a tee.......I put you over a barrel, so the easy way out is, "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH"....You obviously just do not have the answers.

With my regard to Luuzu about staying silent has been misinterpreted by and you have twisted things around.........What I am saying is, if he does not have the answer to my question, of which he like you and Tisme, use the tactic of diversion, then should not say anything at all......I was not asking him to remain silent......Do you read me now or doesn't it sink in to your one track mind?

 

[luutzu]

Well that explains you to a tee.......I put you over a barrel, so the easy way out is, "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH"....You obviously just do not have the answers.

With my regard to Luuzu about staying silent has been misinterpreted by and you have twisted things around.........What I am saying is, if he does not have the answer to my question, of which he like you and Tisme, use the tactic of diversion, then should not say anything at all......I was not asking him to remain silent......Do you read me now or doesn't it sink in to your one track mind?

So your question, which you think is a tough one because you think I somehow avoids it... it is why aren't the "moderate" and "good" Muslims out there go all Batman on terrorists.

Since they don't take on the bad guys, they must be agreeing to terrorism. That or the terrorists would kill them if they call the authority on them.

One, yea. If terrorists know you're the one calling a strike on them, they tend to not play nice with you and your family. They're terrorist, they do bad stuff on people.

Two, are terrorists so widespread among the Muslim community that every Muslim must have known one. Since "none" of them are setting those terrorist straight, they must all be colluding.

Man, maybe the normal Muslims just don't know any terrorists. That and it's the jobs of intelligence and security agencies to know and catch the terrorists.

I mean, we can't even blame the Church and its Bishops for paedophilial priests. And there's plenty of evidence the higher up in the Church know and cover that crimes up... can't blame them but we somehow should blame ordinary Muslims because they're not working hard enough to uncover terrorists among them.

Alrighty then.

 

[Tisme]

hot a video?

No but it was question time yesterday maybe ABC?

 

[Tisme]

Well that explains you to a tee.......I put you over a barrel, so the easy way out is, "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH"....You obviously just do not have the answers.

With my regard to Luuzu about staying silent has been misinterpreted by and you have twisted things around.........What I am saying is, if he does not have the answer to my question, of which he like you and Tisme, use the tactic of diversion, then should not say anything at all......I was not asking him to remain silent......Do you read me now or doesn't it sink in to your one track mind?

Wot??? Google translator?

Why am I get pulled into an argument between you and luutzu? I'm a good guy.

 

[Value Collector]

So why aren't the good Muslims demonstrating against the bad Muslim terrorists....You never hear a word like the "MODERATE" Muslims should be saying to these radicals, hey cut out this nonsense as you are giving all Muslims a bad name.....

Do you even fact check to see if your claims are true.

It took me 1 min to find a video of muslims protesting isis

 

[Value Collector]

Muslims are also fighting ISIS, not just protesting.

 

[noco]

Do you even fact check to see if your claims are true.

It took me 1 min to find a video of muslims protesting isis

What about Australia?...Are they protesting here?

 

[Value Collector]

What about Australia?...Are they protesting here?

Seriously mate, rather than type the question into a thread post, why not try typing it into google.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...in-notinmyname-movement-against-islamic-state

 

[Boxerdidy]

Mate when its all said and done. Its just like the Gun crap as well. Guns dont kill people people kill people. Islam does not make people evil either. The reality of the question is akin to the world we live in.

 

[luutzu]

Interesting Doco...

How presidents and the media lied people into war.

Remember history when Trump take the US into Tehran.

 

[noco]

Seriously mate, rather than type the question into a thread post, why not try typing it into google.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...in-notinmyname-movement-against-islamic-state

You obviously do not know so you cannot give an answer.

 

[bellenuit]

Islam does not make people evil either.

It's the one common denominator that drives some of the most evil humans in existence today. ISIS, Boko Haram, Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah....

“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
― Steven Weinberg (Nobel Laureate in Physics)

 

[luutzu]

It's the one common denominator that drives some of the most evil humans in existence today. ISIS, Boko Haram, Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah....

“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
― Steven Weinberg (Nobel Laureate in Physics)

Some people might call your examples of evil there a bit selective and biased. Mainly directed towards Islamic terrorists and African, no doubt also Islamic, to mix it up a bit.

The West are not capable of evil? No? Never?

Yea, I guess the Americans went to war with each other to free the slaves. The slaves somehow got brought there, and the (White) Americans decided to free them. Yup.

The natives and indigenous of the Americas, Caribbeans... they just decided to disappear to make way for civilisation. Genocide there didn't happen? Of course not.

Or colonisation of Africa, still going on today. Only the Chinese are doing it? How about colonisation in Asia/Pacific? Only Imperial Japan did it?

It's not religion that cause good people to do evil; it's people's beliefs in their own ethnic superiority, as told to them by their leaders, that causes people to do evil.

Once you believe that "we" are good and civilised; believe that "they" are vile savages, believe in it like a religion, believe it without question... then, "we" can bomb their entire cities, killing everything in sight and it's all alright because "we meant well". We're the good guys so our killings are good.

Even little children would be too sensible to believe in bs like that, but somehow some adults do believe it.

 

[Value Collector]

You obviously do not know so you cannot give an answer.

Dude, I linked an article talking about Australian Muslims protesting isis, you ar unbelievable, you just enjoy sitting in your own echo chamber, you can't google and you can't even click a link.

 

[noco]

Dude, I linked an article talking about Australian Muslims protesting isis, you ar unbelievable, you just enjoy sitting in your own echo chamber, you can't google and you can't even click a link.

Your link referred to overseas protests.
Are you prepared to protest about the 100 jihadists, who have been fighting with ISIS, and who are about to re-enter Australia because of some legal loop hole which will allow them back?

Do we really need this type back in Australia....It spells big trouble ahead.

Sydney terror plot: Man and woman to be charged
Khaled Sharrouf stripped of Australian citizenship
AUSTRALIA faces a deluge of some of the world’s most radical terrorists coming to our shores thanks to the failure of the government’s tough new laws to keep them out.

Intelligence experts have warned there is now nothing stopping more than 100 homegrown terrorists, including those fighting with Islamic State, from lawfully returning to Australia, despite new anti-terror laws designed to strip them of their Australian citizenship.

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton introduced the legislation more than a year ago. But while the government spent yesterday promoting its tough approach to terrorism, The Daily Telegraph can reveal Mr Dutton has been told his laws are exposed to serious loopholes.

Editorial: Safety overrides any civil liberties

Neil Prakash is the most senior Aussie terrorist fighting for IS.

Hafsa Mohamed is a jihadi bride from Sydney.

Perth student Muhammed Sheglabo has fought with IS.

Hamza El Baf has fought for IS in Syria.
One grave problem is the requirement for authorities to prove an Australian terrorist holds citizenship of another country, which requires the co-operation of Syria or Iraq, who have so far refused to help.

Of the 100 Australians fighting with Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, only Khaled Sharrouf has had his citizenship stripped under the new laws. The case was successful because the Lebanese government co-operated with Canberra.

The Turnbull government has been warned that extremist fighters are likely to return home to Australia as IS weakens and is driven out of Syria and Iraq.

Already, 40 fighters involved in the bloody conflict in Iraq and Syria have come back to Australia in the past three years.

Former Sydney cleric Mostafa Mahamed Farag is linked with Al-Qaeda.

Former Melbourne man Yusuf Mohamed Yusuf has fought in Syria.

Zehra Duman is an Australian recruiter of IS wives.

Mounir Raad, formerly of Melbourne, has fought with IS.
Another problem with the law is that a terrorist can only be stripped of their citizenship if they fight for a “declared terrorist organisation”.

Islamic state is the only Declared Terrorist Organisation and was listed as such as recently as May 2016.

Security officials have told the government that under the law it will be unable to prove Syrian-based Islamic extremist group Al-Nusra Front or Jabhat Fateah al-Sham is a terrorist organisation.


Most worryingly, the law is not retrospective. Australian fighters who tweeted pictures of themselves holding a bloodied head before May 2016 would be allowed back.

In the past year, terrorists have stopped publicising their atrocities, and it is believed any barbaric terrorist offences that took place before the December 2015 date of the new legislation cannot be taken into account.

There are some 100 Australians fighting or engaged with terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq, down from 110 in January. About 40 fighters have already returned to Australia.

The legislation was far stronger when first drafted, but the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security recommended 27 amendments, all of which were adopted so the laws would pass with bipartisan support.

Bungle lets Aussie jihadis come home
AUSTRALIA faces a deluge of some of the world’s most radical terrorists coming to our shores thanks to the failure of the government’s tough new laws to keep them out.
dailytelegraph.com.au

 

[Value Collector]

Your link referred to overseas protests.

Nope it's talking about Australian Muslims.

 

[noco]

Nope it's talking about Australian Muslims.

Are you prepared to protest about the 100 jihadists, who have been fighting with ISIS, and who are about to re-enter Australia because of some legal loop hole which will allow them back?

 

[Value Collector]

Are you prepared to protest about the 100 jihadists, who have been fighting with ISIS, and who are about to re-enter Australia because of some legal loop hole which will allow them back?

Well you would need to give me a lot more information before I committed myself to a protest, where exactly did you here about this.

I trust the authorities to take care of terrorism business for me, I am not going to be stressing about it, I left that business a long time ago.

 

[Value Collector]

Islam does not make people evil either. .

I don't agree, religion in general can Make people do some wicked things.

Beliefs in form your actions, and crazy beliefs can create crazy actions, so religion should be avoided.

I just don't think attacking an entire group is the best way to move society away from religion, Religions thrive on being persecuted, by attacking moderate muslims you are making Islam stronger, and demonising just Islam, creates polarisation and pushes people of other religions more into their silly faiths.