Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[noco]

Same reason you don't see other Christian sects demonstrating against the Catholic Church, they don't consider them selves to be the same religion, do you think the mormans are responsible of what the pope does?

Again, you do realise that Muslims fought in ww2 amd ww1 don't you, and Muslims serve in the Australian army.

So what.....things can change which they have for the worse.......Do you hear of other barbaric atrocities carried out by other religions? .....In case you gave forgotten this now 2017.......Not 1914/1918 or 1939/1945.
Do other religions behead Christians and infidels?
Do other religions carry out female genital mutilation?
Do other religions stone to death female adulterers in public?
Do other religions allow old Muslim men to marry girls 10 to 15?
Do other religions have terrorist which can kill hundreds of people at a time with car bombs or suicide bombers?
Do other religions send 2000 to 3000 rockets into Israel.

 

[noco]

When a true blue aussie do something criminal, do you and all other true blue aussies go out there and protests? Put on a show? Saying that they do not represent your true blueness? So what the hell?

That and have you read their local/ethnic papers? Maybe they do protests; maybe their callers in does condemn such crimes.

Staying silent is accomplice now? Apply that to any other crimes why don't we?

Maybe we ought to do what the Israeli does and what Trump wants to do... whenever there's a terrorist act, we knock down the terrorist' family's home; in Trump's wish, we should also take out their family. Cool?

Or do what China's First Emperor does when there's a terrorist trying to assassinate him - kill everything that moves within a ten mile radius.

And stop using the death and sacrifice of others to justify these racist, warmongering chest thumbing nonsense noco.

Good people have been lied into wars and countless have needlessly died for some idiots' ambitions.
And those that don't, they go to war to stop the kind of fascist, racist ideology that put one group of people to death camps for no other reason than some trumped up fearmongering about their race and vile religion.

Luu, they come under the criminal law in this country which I am sure nobody would deny......You do the crime, you pay the time....The only ones who would demonstrate against a Muslim going to jail are Muslims.

Once again I cannot get a straight answer from you after three attempts....You just keep diverting attention away from the subject..If you don't have a direct answer, then say so....Don't keep on pretending.

 

[luutzu]

So what.....things can change which they have for the worse.......Do you hear of other barbaric atrocities carried out by other religions? .....In case you gave forgotten this now 2017.......Not 1914/1918 or 1939/1045.
Do other religions behead Christians and infidels?
Do other religions carry out female genital mutilation?
Do other religions stone to death female adulterers in public?
Do other religions allow old Muslim men to marry girls 10 to 15?
Do other religions have terrorist which can kill hundreds of people at a time with car bombs or suicide bombers?
Do other religions send 2000 to 3000 rockets into Israel.

I just told you that some 4 million Iraqi and Afghani have been killed because of wars that "we" in the West got led into. That's a minor issue now is it? What religion or culture or value do we attribute that kind of mass murder to? Maybe just war and imperialism? Not even that! That's just us being nice and liberating their country. Righto.


How does the Palestinians have rockets to fire into Israel in the first place?
They're more like fire crackers noco.

Gaza and the West Bank are completely blockaded. Nothing gets in and out of those places without Israeli saying so. Not money, not people.

Even calories per person are checked by the Israeli. Not too much that they'd have enough energy, not too little that they'd starve and die off right away. You think I'm kidding right?

And don't the Israeli have those multi million dollar anti-missile defense system?

The fourth largest, most power military in the world taking on an imprisoned concentration camp. And they call it "Protective Edge". Killing some 3,000 people, most of whom are civilians, half of whom are children. Laid to waste about half of all Gaza; blow up its only power plant and flour mill. That's war crimes noco.

And guess who follow the exact words of the Old Testament in establishing a Greater Israel? Zionists and Evangelical Christians!

The first saying that these are the land God promised to them, so it is theirs. The second says that yes, God promised those land, they ought to have it, once they have it the world will come to an end and they all die.

Are we going to say that all Christians, Jews and White people are bad now? 'cuase I do admire a lot of Jewish intellectuals and know a fair number of good White people.

That's not to say there are crazies among "them".

 

[luutzu]

Luu, they come under the criminal law in this country which I am sure nobody would deny......You do the crime, you pay the time....The only ones who would demonstrate against a Muslim going to jail are Muslims.

Once again I cannot get a straight answer from you after three attempts....You just keep diverting attention away from the subject..If you don't have a direct answer, then say so....Don't keep on pretending.

I did give you a straight answer.

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I don't mean to be rude since I'm your junior, but honestly, these kind of talks is what will lead "us" into another war with a Muslim country.

This time it's going to be Iran.

Maybe we don't care if more Muslims get slaughtered, but Iran is no walkover.

It's the only Arab country, beside maybe Egypt, that the Israelis wanted to but can't take out. They've been pushing for the US to take Iran out for them since the first Gulf War. They've tried it with Bush Jr. and even he wasn't that stupid.

With Trump they might have found their idiot.

Yea, take out Iran and see if Russia and China won't step in to support them. See how much more billions and boots Australia will have to volunteer up for another freedom and liberation business.

So being racist and Islamophobic is no good because it's factually wrong; morally wrong... and in this time and age of expansion, it's the perfect mood to get people into shrugging at another war where maybe a million or two would be killed.

Maybe you don't like their lifestyle or their religion. It's their business.

 

[noco]

I did give you a straight answer.

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I don't mean to be rude since I'm your junior, but honestly, these kind of talks is what will lead "us" into another war with a Muslim country.

This time it's going to be Iran.

Maybe we don't care if more Muslims get slaughtered, but Iran is no walkover.

It's the only Arab country, beside maybe Egypt, that the Israelis wanted to but can't take out. They've been pushing for the US to take Iran out for them since the first Gulf War. They've tried it with Bush Jr. and even he wasn't that stupid.

With Trump they might have found their idiot.

Yea, take out Iran and see if Russia and China won't step in to support them. See how much more billions and boots Australia will have to volunteer up for another freedom and liberation business.

So being racist and Islamophobic is no good because it's factually wrong; morally wrong... and in this time and age of expansion, it's the perfect mood to get people into shrugging at another war where maybe a million or two would be killed.

Maybe you don't like their lifestyle or their religion. It's their business.

I can see I am just wasting my time with you.........I will ask you for the last time why don't the "GOOD MUSLIMS" in Australia bring the Muslim terrorist into line? ......I don't want to hear about Egypt, the gulf war, Iran, Russia or Islamic phobia.

As I said before if you can't give a straight answer without beating around the bush, then you stay silent.

 

[noco]

Islamic high hopes.

 

[SirRumpole]

As I said before if you can't give a straight answer without beating around the bush, then you stay silent.

You don't tell other people to stay silent and we won't tell you to stay silent.

What are you a facist ?

As to good Muslims v bad Muslims, how do you think the AFP has been able to foil impending attacks ? Inside information would be one method. And who would be giving that information ? Terrorist's family and friends most likely.

People are hardly likely to come out publicly and make themselves a target, and the AFP is not likely to scare off potential informants by revealing their identity or publicising the fact that a person's family dobbed them in.

You need to use some rational thinking noco, instead of the blunt instrument approach.

 

[noco]

You don't tell other people to stay silent and we won't tell you to stay silent.

What are you a facist ?

As to good Muslims v bad Muslims, how do you think the AFP has been able to foil impending attacks ? Inside information would be one method. And who would be giving that information ? Terrorist's family and friends most likely.

People are hardly likely to come out publicly and make themselves a target, and the AFP is not likely to scare off potential informants by revealing their identity or publicising the fact that a person's family dobbed them in.

You need to use some rational thinking noco, instead of the blunt instrument approach.

More Rumpy/tisme name calling...You are both past maters at it but you are wasting your time.

My posts have been directed to Luuzu and you have stick you dribbly nose in again.

The reason why the so called moderates or "GOOD" Muslims don't speak out is because of fear.....Fear that they be eliminated by the fanatics.

I will ask you the question, "Would you like to live under Sharia law and would you take in a Muslim refugee into you house?.......Feed him, cloth him and accommodate him"?

 

[SirRumpole]

I will ask you the question, "Would you like to live under Sharia law and would you take in a Muslim refugee into you house?.......Feed him, cloth him and accommodate him"?

You only need to read my comments on this thread to find the answers to those questions.

 

[noco]

You only need to read my comments on this thread to find the answers to those questions.

Please do tell me again.

 

[Tisme]

More Rumpy/tisme name calling...You are both past maters at it but you are wasting your time.


yadda yadda yadda etc

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Examples please and include you own directed at members?

Wasn't it you who posted for me to "shut the f#$k up" ?

 

[SirRumpole]

Please do tell me again.

Do your own research.

 

[Tisme]

Do your own research.

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[Value Collector]

Do other religions behead Christians and infidels?
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I am not sure about beheadings in particular, but yes other religions including some christian religions are killing people.

Do other religions carry out female genital mutilation?

Jews Mutilate Male genitals, and they put the penis in their mouth and suck the blood off, thats just as crazy to me.

Do other religions stone to death female adulterers in public?

That rule is actually from the bible.

Do other religions send 2000 to 3000 rockets into Israel

I think the Jews send more rockets back the other way. You seem to only count the stuff the muslims are doing, Biased much?

Do other religions have terrorist which can kill hundreds of people at a time with car bombs or suicide bombers?

Yes actually, But why are you only counting "Car bombs" if a helicopter fires a rocket is it some how better?

 

[luutzu]

I can see I am just wasting my time with you.........I will ask you for the last time why don't the "GOOD MUSLIMS" in Australia bring the Muslim terrorist into line? ......I don't want to hear about Egypt, the gulf war, Iran, Russia or Islamic phobia.

As I said before if you can't give a straight answer without beating around the bush, then you stay silent.

Maybe the good Muslims haven't bring the terrorists in line because they just don't know any terrorists, or potential terrorist.

That's not to say that there are no terrorist or would be terrorist among the Muslim Australian community. But are we all certain that there are no other crazies among other ethnic groups too? They're all good now?

Weren't there a Muslim professor, a female one at that, who teaches at university and head a programme to council and teach groups of, I'm guessing, Muslim kids who would be vulnerable to being used by terrorist. That's at least one example right?

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As to the other places in the world. That's to provide context and evidence Noco.

Like that Chris Hedges example... that most of the Arab world was shocked and horrified at 9/11. They denounced the terrorists and want to work with the Americans to help stop that kind of murder.

That doesn't count? Them Muslims all hate the West and its value?

Alright, bring on Iran.

The new $US55B increase in defense budget will come in handy.

Did you know that the US, last year, spent about $US900 billion on its security and defense?

There's the $500B+ for the Pentagon; there's other weapons lab etc. through the Energy Dept.; there's Homeland Security.

Keep spending what will now be about $1 Trillion a year on "defense" and see how long they'd last.
Not too long given that half the country is poor, one in five of the top 500 do not pay any taxes, the rich getting richer while the poor works a couple of jobs each to just make it.

Anyway.

 

[luutzu]

I am not sure about beheadings in particular, but yes other religions including some christian religions are killing people.



Jews Mutilate Male genitals, and they put the penis in their mouth and suck the blood off, thats just as crazy to me.

That rule is actually from the bible.




I think the Jews send more rockets back the other way. You seem to only count the stuff the muslims are doing, Biased much?



Yes actually, But why are you only counting "Car bombs" if a helicopter fires a rocket is it some how better?

They actually suck the blood off like that? fark. I thought it's just snip and a bandage. Thta's nuts.

 

[Value Collector]

They actually suck the blood off like that? fark. I thought it's just snip and a bandage. Thta's nuts.

The Super religious Rabbi's carry out the ritual as the texts say, which involves sucking off the blood.

But, not all jews do it like that, just like not all muslims take their texts seriously.

 

[wayneL]

Notwithstanding any of the above arguments, I do find it curious that Islam seems to be the only religion defended by the left, even though sections of Islam are clearly the most misogynistic.

Why is that?

 

[Value Collector]

Notwithstanding any of the above arguments, I do find it curious that Islam seems to be the only religion defended by the left, even though sections of Islam are clearly the most misogynistic.

Why is that?

You have made a common mistake there wayne.

You think standing up for innocent muslims humans rights is some how defending islam, its not. it's defending innocent muslims from unfair persecution.

I am against people demonising the everyday muslim, and wanting to treat them as second class people, that doesn't help the situation, it's divisive.

Nothing I have ever said here should be seen as me defending Islam.

I will defend peoples freedom of religion though, and that doesn't mean I don't want people to become less religious, I hate religion just as much as any one, but we need people to decide their religion is silly themselves, we just can't mistreat them other wise they will never leave it.

 

[Tisme]

Notwithstanding any of the above arguments, I do find it curious that Islam seems to be the only religion defended by the left, even though sections of Islam are clearly the most misogynistic.

Why is that?

If you watched Peter Dutton in parliament yesterday you'd wonder if someone was holding his family hostage.