Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[SirRumpole]

But the important thing is that Islam is evil.

There is a spectrum of course. Bringing in more brainwashed people does us no good, so why did a hole for ourselves ?

Most of the migrants we have accepted from Europe and Asia haven't been weighed down with religious baggage and so have assimilated reasonably well, but the ME ones seem to have trouble adapting to a secular society. That's not our problem in my view, they can go their way and we go ours.

 

[luutzu]

It appears to be the political correctness guidelines for savages.

A bit out of context there, isnt it McGee.

 

[luutzu]

There is a spectrum of course. Bringing in more brainwashed people does us no good, so why did a hole for ourselves ?

Most of the migrants we have accepted from Europe and Asia haven't been weighed down with religious baggage and so have assimilated reasonably well, but the ME ones seem to have trouble adapting to a secular society. That's not our problem in my view, they can go their way and we go ours.

There's been a few waves of ME immigration right?

Were those that came over in the 50s or 60s not at all adapting? Or the 80s?

I've hired a few contractors/builder... most are Arab/ME and they've adapted pretty well. Trying to get paid when the work is not done; telling you they'll fix the roof beam but you have to wait two weeks because they're flat out.

See, as good as your average Aussie tradies.

 

[noco]

I was watching an article on Sky News last night where it was mentioned Buddhists represents 2.5% of the population and 2.2% of our population are Muslims in Australia.

We never hear of any problems with the Buddhists but plenty from a such a smaller minority of Muslims.

So doesn't that tell us something?

Why in the hell do we have to put up with crap about Muslims demonstrating in the streets demanding to introduce Sharia law and Halal certified food?

Why is our weak government allowing this to happen....

I say to the government, any Muslim found demonstrating against our way of life should be immediately deported....... NO IFS...NO BUTS...Take a leaf out of Trump's book.

 

[luutzu]

I was watching an article on Sky News last night where it was mentioned Buddhists represents 2.5% of the population and 2.2% of our population are Muslims in Australia.

We never hear of any problems with the Buddhists but plenty from a such a smaller minority of Muslims.

So doesn't that tell us something?

Why in the hell do we have to put up with crap about Muslims demonstrating in the streets demanding to introduce Sharia law and Halal certified food?

Why is our weak government allowing this to happen....

I say to the government, any Muslim found demonstrating against our way of life should be immediately deported....... NO IFS...NO BUTS...Take a leaf out of Trump's book.

Maybe because most Buddhist countries don't have oil that we'd need to liberate them. Maybe.

You know that Buddhist are vegans? If you think Halal is a pain the behind, try cooking a nice and affordable meal vegan style.

But it is pretty amazing the many ways they can use bean curd and how many types of tofu though.

 

[noco]

Maybe because most Buddhist countries don't have oil that we'd need to liberate them. Maybe.

You know that Buddhist are vegans? If you think Halal is a pain the behind, try cooking a nice and affordable meal vegan style.

But it is pretty amazing the many ways they can use bean curd and how many types of tofu though.

What has oil got to do with Muslims and Buddhists?

What has oil got to do with the Muslims one and only aim being to destroy our way of life here in Australia and introduce Sharia law and create as much disturbance as possible upon law abiding citizens.

I practiced Yoga for 18 years and met some Buddhist Swamis at the Ashram in Kuranda on two occasions......Yes they are vegetarians but by hell they would run rings around the riff raff we now have in the Muslim community.......You could not wish to meet nicer people with high moral standards than a Buddhist.

 

[luutzu]

What has oil got to do with Muslims and Buddhists?

What has oil got to do with the Muslims one and only aim being to destroy our way of life here in Australia and introduce Sharia law and create as much disturbance as possible upon law abiding citizens.

I practiced Yoga for 18 years and met some Buddhist Swamis at the Ashram in Kuranda on two occasions......Yes they are vegetarians but by hell they would run rings around the riff raff we now have in the Muslim community.......You could not wish to meet nicer people with high moral standards than a Buddhist.

Nothing. That's why beside Tibet and Myannmar, Buddhists are generally left alone.


Here's a simple test to see if Islam/Muslims are evil.

First, find something evil and vile and just nasty that at least 51% of all Muslim does that no one else have ever done.

So Muslims are evil because at least 51% of them follow some superstitious book about gods and demons. That's not going to prove that Islam is evil because practically all other religion have the same crazy stuff.

Or that all Muslims are terrorists... well no.

Or there are terrorists among Muslims. Are there no terrorists among other ethnic/religious groups?

It's evil because it want to take over the world! hmmmm... Christianity didn't? Hasn't? Not doing it?


It's a pretty simple but objective test. Let's do it so we can put this to rest and start picking on the gays or something.

 

[luutzu]

What has oil got to do with Muslims and Buddhists?

What has oil got to do with the Muslims one and only aim being to destroy our way of life here in Australia and introduce Sharia law and create as much disturbance as possible upon law abiding citizens.

I practiced Yoga for 18 years and met some Buddhist Swamis at the Ashram in Kuranda on two occasions......Yes they are vegetarians but by hell they would run rings around the riff raff we now have in the Muslim community.......You could not wish to meet nicer people with high moral standards than a Buddhist.

You just ruin yoga for me noco.

All these time it's just some hot babe in tights stretching, now it's Mr Burns... ahhh...

 

[noco]

Nothing. That's why beside Tibet and Myannmar, Buddhists are generally left alone.


Here's a simple test to see if Islam/Muslims are evil.

First, find something evil and vile and just nasty that at least 51% of all Muslim does that no one else have ever done.

So Muslims are evil because at least 51% of them follow some superstitious book about gods and demons. That's not going to prove that Islam is evil because practically all other religion have the same crazy stuff.

Or that all Muslims are terrorists... well no.

Or there are terrorists among Muslims. Are there no terrorists among other ethnic/religious groups?

It's evil because it want to take over the world! hmmmm... Christianity didn't? Hasn't? Not doing it?


It's a pretty simple but objective test. Let's do it so we can put this to rest and start picking on the gays or something.

So why aren't the good Muslims demonstrating against the bad Muslim terrorists....You never hear a word like the "MODERATE" Muslims should be saying to these radicals, hey cut out this nonsense as you are giving all Muslims a bad name.... Because they are all up to their neck in it......The terrorists are the Muslim army just we have our ADF in Australia.......You know those men and women who bravely fought in WW1 and WW2 to maintain our freedom......Lest we forget.

 

[SirRumpole]

Any comment on this VC ?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-re...-was-not-to-end-the-war-or-save-lives/5308192

 

[luutzu]

So why aren't the good Muslims demonstrating against the bad Muslim terrorists....You never hear a word like the "MODERATE" Muslims should be saying to these radicals, hey cut out this nonsense as you are giving all Muslims a bad name.... Because they are all up to their neck in it......The terrorists are the Muslim army just we have our ADF in Australia.......You know those men and women who bravely fought in WW1 and WW2 to maintain our freedom......Lest we forget.

Noco, I don't think you need me to tell you that there are warmongers out there. Both on "their" side as well as on "our" side.

We ought to be more informed and critical of our own gov't so that no bs politician can willy nilly send our blood and treasure into wars to make some freaking political point and name for themselves.

Look into Hillary Clinton's push for the overthrow of Qaddafi in Libya.

Know what her political objective behind that? It's revealed in WikiLeaks that she and her political advisers want to show how Hillary was successful in regime change; how she can use Libya as an example of having the right kind of balls to take on the Muslims and do overthrow correctly.

That's the early stages after Qaddafi was killed.

Then it didn't turn out so peaceful and easy. It led to the death of a US ambassador and other embassy staff when it was over-run... and of course, millions of Libyans homeless, who knows how many civilian deaths [because who's counting, right?].

What did Hillary do?

Opps... let's not put Libya on our campaign poster shall we.

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If you just read the news headlines, read the papers that simply repeat what the gov't tells them to repeat... you're going to be misinformed and so make wrong decisions.

In a democracy, too many misinformed electorates does have some major policy implications.

 

[luutzu]

Any comment on this VC ?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-re...-was-not-to-end-the-war-or-save-lives/5308192

I think he's trying to digest it. I know I did when I heard about it.

And what I heard were just a few minutes of some lecture. No quotes from the military brass being against it and such.

All these times I thought it's the military senior command that wanted it dropped, not the politicians. That's messed up.

 

[dutchie]

Another good reason to stop Islamic migration.

Australian-born 'Islamist' electrician, 42, 'had purchased materials to build a long-range missile' before he was arrested at his farmhouse near Young 'over ISIS terror plot'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bought-materials-long-range-missile-ISIS.html

 

[noco]

Peta Credlin gives Nicholas Reece an ear full on the UN Human rights....Reece was Julia Gillard's adviser.
Out of 170 countries registered to refugees, Australia is one of 27 and the bloody UN Geneva convention has the gall to criticize Australia.

 

[noco]

Noco, I don't think you need me to tell you that there are warmongers out there. Both on "their" side as well as on "our" side.

We ought to be more informed and critical of our own gov't so that no bs politician can willy nilly send our blood and treasure into wars to make some freaking political point and name for themselves.

Look into Hillary Clinton's push for the overthrow of Qaddafi in Libya.

Know what her political objective behind that? It's revealed in WikiLeaks that she and her political advisers want to show how Hillary was successful in regime change; how she can use Libya as an example of having the right kind of balls to take on the Muslims and do overthrow correctly.

That's the early stages after Qaddafi was killed.

Then it didn't turn out so peaceful and easy. It led to the death of a US ambassador and other embassy staff when it was over-run... and of course, millions of Libyans homeless, who knows how many civilian deaths [because who's counting, right?].

What did Hillary do?

Opps... let's not put Libya on our campaign poster shall we.

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If you just read the news headlines, read the papers that simply repeat what the gov't tells them to repeat... you're going to be misinformed and so make wrong decisions.

In a democracy, too many misinformed electorates does have some major policy implications.

I hope you are not adopting the bad habits of Tisme by diverting attention away from the real question which was :-

So why aren't the good Muslims demonstrating against the bad Muslim terrorists....You never hear a word like the "MODERATE" Muslims should be saying to these radicals, hey cut out this nonsense as you are giving all Muslims a bad name.... Because they are all up to their neck in it......The terrorists are the Muslim army just we have our ADF in Australia.......You know those men and women who bravely fought in WW1 and WW2 to maintain our freedom......Lest we forget.

 

[luutzu]

I hope you are not adopting the bad habits of Tisme by diverting attention away from the real question which was :-

So why aren't the good Muslims demonstrating against the bad Muslim terrorists....You never hear a word like the "MODERATE" Muslims should be saying to these radicals, hey cut out this nonsense as you are giving all Muslims a bad name.... Because they are all up to their neck in it......The terrorists are the Muslim army just we have our ADF in Australia.......You know those men and women who bravely fought in WW1 and WW2 to maintain our freedom......Lest we forget.

You heard of Chris Hedges? A real journalist. Won the Pulitzer prize, I think; wrote numerous books; know a few languages; goes out there among the barbarians during wartime to report.. .things real journalists does.

There's an old 2005 [?] interview on youtube where he just answered your question in replying to whether or not the US's reaction to 9/11 was justified.

Hedges says that immediately after 9/11, the whole world was sympathetic to the American people. The Muslim world, with their highest Cleric came out and denounce that murderous act of terror; they denounced the terrorists as abusing their religion because that is not what Islam teaches. They denounce Osama bin Laden etc. etc.

They were on the side of the American people.

So there's Russia wanting to work with the US; even Assad calls the White House and pass on intel on terrorist groups they're following and offering help etc. etc.

What did the US do? The Bush admin use that act of terror to carry out its master plan - they use those American deaths, use the anger and fear, drum it louder and go to war.

First they say that bin Laden is responsible so they demand the Taliban handing him over, or else!

Don't take this the wrong way, I don't like or condone the Taliban... but the Taliban, this according to Chomsky in his various lectures... The Taliban says we'll hand him over if you can provide us evidence that he did it.

According to Chomsky, bin Laden deny any involvement. He said he had nothing to do with it. Which might be true since the US has been after in all these years - for his other various strikes against them in the ME. But here, bin Laden said he didn't plan or authorise it. He's been hiding in caves.

Which according to Chomsky, might be true as these terrorists work in what you'd call shared interests. That is, they are sympathetic to the aim - that aim is the destruction of America, or to cause enough harm that the US would withdraw from the ME. Whatever it is, that's their big aim and they share that.

Besides that, they work alone. Plan their own shiet and carry them out when the opportunity presents themselves.

But say that bin Laden is lying, the Taliban is lying and that they did plan and fund that murderous act of terror. So it's fair enough for the US, for any country, to strike back without needing to show the world any "proof".

Does all those millions of Afghanistan deserve to be displaced and killed directly or indirectly through famine and crossfires?

Let say that they all do. Serve them right for being victims to the Taliban.

What about the Iraqis? Saddam is a bastard, as bad as they come.

We didn't go into Iraq because he was a bad dude right? If we were, we'd already done in in the first Gulf War. We went in, remember, because Saddam, we're told, funded bin Laden for 911.

That's not true and was immediately dismissed. So we went in because the has WMD and the next thing we'd see as evidence is a mushroom cloud over some US/Western cities - we're told by Jr.

Turns out he didn't have WMD. Opps.

Well, we went in to liberate the Iraqi people.

No, didn't do that either.


back to the point.... after 911, most of the Muslim world publicly denounce bin Laden and terrorism. They were seeking to co-operate with the US. So you can't say that they're all terrorists and want to blow the West up because they hate our sex and alcohol, our values of freedom blah blah.

Anyway, 16 years, about 4 million Arab death, about 7 wars being waged directly or with the support of the West on Muslim countries, with a new US president putting blanket ban on Muslims from 7 countries because all of them are a terrorist threat to the US...

Anyway, too much into the details...


If we want to test whether Islam is evil or not, simple find something that at least 51% of all Muslim do that no other country or religion or people have ever done. Something bad. Find one example of vileness that cannot be found among any other culture... that's how you prove it.

I bet you that you cannot find it.

so are human all evil or it depends on what side does it?

 

[noco]

You heard of Chris Hedges? A real journalist. Won the Pulitzer prize, I think; wrote numerous books; know a few languages; goes out there among the barbarians during wartime to report.. .things real journalists does.

There's an old 2005 [?] interview on youtube where he just answered your question in replying to whether or not the US's reaction to 9/11 was justified.

Hedges says that immediately after 9/11, the whole world was sympathetic to the American people. The Muslim world, with their highest Cleric came out and denounce that murderous act of terror; they denounced the terrorists as abusing their religion because that is not what Islam teaches. They denounce Osama bin Laden etc. etc.

They were on the side of the American people.

So there's Russia wanting to work with the US; even Assad calls the White House and pass on intel on terrorist groups they're following and offering help etc. etc.

What did the US do? The Bush admin use that act of terror to carry out its master plan - they use those American deaths, use the anger and fear, drum it louder and go to war.

First they say that bin Laden is responsible so they demand the Taliban handing him over, or else!

Don't take this the wrong way, I don't like or condone the Taliban... but the Taliban, this according to Chomsky in his various lectures... The Taliban says we'll hand him over if you can provide us evidence that he did it.

According to Chomsky, bin Laden deny any involvement. He said he had nothing to do with it. Which might be true since the US has been after in all these years - for his other various strikes against them in the ME. But here, bin Laden said he didn't plan or authorise it. He's been hiding in caves.

Which according to Chomsky, might be true as these terrorists work in what you'd call shared interests. That is, they are sympathetic to the aim - that aim is the destruction of America, or to cause enough harm that the US would withdraw from the ME. Whatever it is, that's their big aim and they share that.

Besides that, they work alone. Plan their own shiet and carry them out when the opportunity presents themselves.

But say that bin Laden is lying, the Taliban is lying and that they did plan and fund that murderous act of terror. So it's fair enough for the US, for any country, to strike back without needing to show the world any "proof".

Does all those millions of Afghanistan deserve to be displaced and killed directly or indirectly through famine and crossfires?

Let say that they all do. Serve them right for being victims to the Taliban.

What about the Iraqis? Saddam is a bastard, as bad as they come.

We didn't go into Iraq because he was a bad dude right? If we were, we'd already done in in the first Gulf War. We went in, remember, because Saddam, we're told, funded bin Laden for 911.

That's not true and was immediately dismissed. So we went in because the has WMD and the next thing we'd see as evidence is a mushroom cloud over some US/Western cities - we're told by Jr.

Turns out he didn't have WMD. Opps.

Well, we went in to liberate the Iraqi people.

No, didn't do that either.


back to the point.... after 911, most of the Muslim world publicly denounce bin Laden and terrorism. They were seeking to co-operate with the US. So you can't say that they're all terrorists and want to blow the West up because they hate our sex and alcohol, our values of freedom blah blah.

Anyway, 16 years, about 4 million Arab death, about 7 wars being waged directly or with the support of the West on Muslim countries, with a new US president putting blanket ban on Muslims from 7 countries because all of them are a terrorist threat to the US...

Anyway, too much into the details...


If we want to test whether Islam is evil or not, simple find something that at least 51% of all Muslim do that no other country or religion or people have ever done. Something bad. Find one example of vileness that cannot be found among any other culture... that's how you prove it.

I bet you that you cannot find it.

so are human all evil or it depends on what side does it?

Once again you verged away from question..........I not interested in 9/11, Bin Laden or 4 million Arab death...

I am talking about Muslims in Australia not taking action on the terrorist here in Australia.

Just more like Tisme tactics.....If you don't want to answer a straight question, please don't divert attention away.

So here is the question again for the 3rd time.

So why aren't the good Muslims demonstrating against the bad Muslim terrorists....You never hear a word like the "MODERATE" Muslims should be saying to these radicals, hey cut out this nonsense as you are giving all Muslims a bad name.... Because they are all up to their neck in it......The terrorists are the Muslim army just we have our ADF in Australia.......You know those men and women who bravely fought in WW1 and WW2 to maintain our freedom......Lest we forget.

 

[luutzu]

Once again you verged away from question..........I not interested in 9/11, Bin Laden or 4 million Arab death...

I am talking about Muslims in Australia not taking action on the terrorist here in Australia.

Just more like Tisme tactics.....If you don't want to answer a straight question, please don't divert attention away.

So here is the question again for the 3rd time.

So why aren't the good Muslims demonstrating against the bad Muslim terrorists....You never hear a word like the "MODERATE" Muslims should be saying to these radicals, hey cut out this nonsense as you are giving all Muslims a bad name.... Because they are all up to their neck in it......The terrorists are the Muslim army just we have our ADF in Australia.......You know those men and women who bravely fought in WW1 and WW2 to maintain our freedom......Lest we forget.

When a true blue aussie do something criminal, do you and all other true blue aussies go out there and protests? Put on a show? Saying that they do not represent your true blueness? So what the hell?

That and have you read their local/ethnic papers? Maybe they do protests; maybe their callers in does condemn such crimes.

Staying silent is accomplice now? Apply that to any other crimes why don't we?

Maybe we ought to do what the Israeli does and what Trump wants to do... whenever there's a terrorist act, we knock down the terrorist' family's home; in Trump's wish, we should also take out their family. Cool?

Or do what China's First Emperor does when there's a terrorist trying to assassinate him - kill everything that moves within a ten mile radius.

And stop using the death and sacrifice of others to justify these racist, warmongering chest thumbing nonsense noco.

Good people have been lied into wars and countless have needlessly died for some idiots' ambitions.
And those that don't, they go to war to stop the kind of fascist, racist ideology that put one group of people to death camps for no other reason than some trumped up fearmongering about their race and vile religion.

 

[Value Collector]

So why aren't the good Muslims demonstrating against the bad Muslim terrorists....You never hear a word like the "MODERATE" Muslims should be saying to these radicals, hey cut out this nonsense as you are giving all Muslims a bad name.... Because they are all up to their neck in it......The terrorists are the Muslim army just we have our ADF in Australia.......You know those men and women who bravely fought in WW1 and WW2 to maintain our freedom......Lest we forget.

Same reason you don't see other Christian sects demonstrating against the Catholic Church, they don't consider them selves to be the same religion, do you think the mormans are responsible of what the pope does?

Again, you do realise that Muslims fought in ww2 amd ww1 don't you, and Muslims serve in the Australian army.

 

[Value Collector]

Any comment on this VC ?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-re...-was-not-to-end-the-war-or-save-lives/5308192

It seems like a lot of hindsight and speculation on whether Japan would surrender or not, at the end of the day, the blame must fall on the emperor, his pride/cowardice seemed to be what caused the war to drag on.

Being a military man myself, I can see the urge to continue pushing the enemy until they surrender, some times if you pause you are just giving them time to reload, Japan is a very industrious nation, I would have wanted to keep them on the back foot as much as I could