Islam: Is it inherently Evil?

[luutzu]

It will come down to a case of kill or be killed..

It's OK if you disagree with me, I can't force you to be right.

So all the people in the ME were planning to come over and kill us did they?

Their fighter jets were fueled and ready, their carriers and logistics were all set... just waiting for the go ahead and the West will be taken over.

Oh, Saddam and them Arabs got WMD and were about to send it over.

Lucky we went in, taken them out and find nothing. Maybe oil. Who would have thought there's the world's second largest reserves of oil in Iraq; and massive trillion dollar worth of reserves of lithium, copper, gold... in Afghanistan.

 

[luutzu]

Please read the article quoted.

If it was only "one or two" Muslims then the school would not have had to exclude women from their ceremonies.

The school was majority Muslim and they expected their ancient beliefs to be observed in a society where in total they are about 2% of the population. ie they expected us to exclude 50% of our society (women) for the sake of 2% of them.

This is the way it will be if they get too big in future. We can't let it happen here.

We're not even letting them beating their wives and kids in their own home, what made you think we'll just let them doing sexist stuff on our own women and children?

Ain't going to happen.

And what make you think they're all sexist, wife abusing people?

There's plenty of lady doctors and lady GPs around the area; plenty of lady Pharmacists that I've seen. Their girls are sent to school. So I don't understand all these worries.

Does that mean there are no extremely religious or just extremely anal Muslims who would abuse their family and beat up their kids for reading... maybe. That's a crime isn't it?

 

[Value Collector]

Well, it was a public school. So they are expected to be inclusive of Muslims but exclusive of women ?

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Nope, if it's a government funded school and they are breaking any laws or rules, then they should be dealt with, doesn't the article say action has already been taken?

And it's not an argument to say "look what happened in the past we were just as bad". But we aren't any more. We have moved on and so should people who still have an archaic faith or they can go somewhere else

I am saying that we used to do things just as bad but managed to change, so writing of a whole group seems silly.

Also, it seems like Noco needs to come down off his high horse considering his own generation was just as guilty, he wouldn't want us stereotyping him.

 

[Value Collector]

Firstly, you should tar all muslims with the same brush.

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Clearly I meant shouldn't

 

[SirRumpole]

We're not even letting them beating their wives and kids in their own home, what made you think we'll just let them doing sexist stuff on our own women and children?

That doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[luutzu]

Clearly I meant shouldn't

Don't know man, slip of the fingers can also be a Freudian Slip.

 

[SirRumpole]

Also, it seems like Noco needs to come down off his high horse considering his own generation was just as guilty, he wouldn't want us stereotyping him.

Leaving noco out of it, what happened at that school was a demonstration of what will happen in the rest of society if the Muslim population gets too large. They will want their own police force and ambulance (without women) and 'their' areas will be off limits to everyone else. It happens in other countries.

It's a disaster waiting to happen and we can't pretend otherwise for the sake of PC.

 

[luutzu]

That doesn't make any sense to me.

We have laws against domestic abuse. No beating wives/husbands; no child abuse.

That law applies to everyone, Muslims included.

i.e. they can't abuse their own family (even if they wanted to, and we're assuming that they all wants to for some reason). If they do, our law will lock them up.

So to think that somehow, if there's enough of Muslims around, all other Australians will just let them run the place and do what crazy things Muslims all, obviously, do.

Not only is that not knowing what Muslims are generally like, it's just not understanding how politics and reality really work.

an old example I'm repeating here is that that's like saying that Australia is a proper democracy where policies are always made to the wishes of the majority of Australians. That's why the few uber rich Australians get most of the benefits while the majority poor and battling Aussies voted for the rich to get richer at their expense.

 

[Tisme]

We have laws against domestic abuse. No beating wives/husbands; no child abuse.

That law applies to everyone, Muslims included.

You don't really think those hessian bagged women trailing obediently behind their western dressed husbands are going to ask for help?

 

[Value Collector]

what happened at that school was a demonstration of what will happen in the rest of society if the Muslim population gets too large.

Again you are acting like all muslims believe the same thing. You know there are female muslim doctors right, and female muslim police.

there are hundreds of different muslim religions, they don't all believe the same thing.

 

[SirRumpole]

Again you are acting like al muslims believe the same thing. You know there are female muslim doctors right, and female muslim police.

It's a cunning plan.

 

[Value Collector]

You don't really think those hessian bagged women trailing obediently behind their western dressed husbands are going to ask for help?

neither do a lot of the white girls, whats your point?

 

[noco]

Hah!

You're only as old as you feel/act!

Nope, if it's a government funded school and they are breaking any laws or rules, then they should be dealt with, doesn't the article say action has already been taken?



I am saying that we used to do things just as bad but managed to change, so writing of a whole group seems silly.

Also, it seems like Noco needs to come down off his high horse considering his own generation was just as guilty, he wouldn't want us stereotyping him.

OFF TOPIC.

Guilty of what?

In my school days, we stood the parade ground and sang the National Anthem......God save our king.

And the kids marched into their class rooms to the beat of the drum by yours truly.

If we misbehaved in the class room we were sent to the Head teacher and received 6 of the best on the hand with the cane...You dare not tell your parents because you would get another on the back side......If you had a fight in the school grounds you would be reprimanded and forced to shake hands.......Now a days there has to be an inquiry about bullying

 

[Tisme]

neither do a lot of the white girls, whats your point?

The comment was about Muslim woman, relevant to the post luutzu made. IF I wanted to be ubiquitous I would have framed it in that context.

And last time I looked Muslims are "white", "brown", "black". "tallow" etc

 

[Value Collector]

OFF TOPIC.

Guilty of what?

In my school days, we stood the parade ground and sang the National Anthem......God save our king.

And the kids marched into their class rooms to the beat of the drum by yours truly.

If we misbehaved in the class room we were sent to the Head teacher and received 6 of the best on the hand with the cane...You dare not tell your parents because you would get another on the back side......If you had a fight in the school grounds you would be reprimanded and forced to shake hands.......Now a days there has to be an inquiry about bullying

You are avoiding the point.

When you were a young man, were women treated as equals in the workplace?

Could they be employed in the same roles? Earn the same pay? Get the same education?

I am simply pointing out that the "OL' days" that you are so nostalgic about, were full of the same abuses that you charge the Muslims with, but you managed to somewhat change your ways (I hope)

 

[SirRumpole]

I am simply pointing out that the "OL' days" that you are so nostalgic about, were full of the same abuses that you charge the Muslims with, but you managed to somewhat change your ways (I hope)

So what is your evidence that Muslims will change their ways ?

They have a sacred text that is inviolate, the words of the Prophet himself, that says that apostates must be killed etc etc.

As long as this stuff is perpetuated there will be people that believe it and are motivated to violence because of it. The only way to get Muslims to change their ways is to ban the teachings or at least not give them any of our money to perpetuate the nonsense.

What else would you suggest ?

 

[noco]

We are only at the tip of the iceberg here in Australia.

What is happening in Canada ATM hopefully will open your eyes.....Muslims are leaving the USA and are ready to invade Canada....They are massed on the northern borders of the USA and all since Trump took office...And further more they are not Democrats........

I warned some 10 years ago and again 7 years ago how Muslims were infiltrating the Western World......I was accused of being a racist and two of my posts were deleted.

...I took a rap over the knuckles at that time but how right I was then and now it is all starting to unfold.

I can only hope we get rid of Turnbull in time because he is just another puppet to George Soros just Trudeau in Canada and Merkel in Germany....Why I say that is because he acting just like Trudeau and Merkel.......Now don't bother coming back to ask for proof......it is my honest opinion.

 

[noco]

You are avoiding the point.

When you were a young man, were women treated as equals in the workplace?

Could they be employed in the same roles? Earn the same pay? Get the same education?

I am simply pointing out that the "OL' days" that you are so nostalgic about, were full of the same abuses that you charge the Muslims with, but you managed to somewhat change your ways (I hope)

YOU ARE OFF TOPIC.

Firstly, the majority of women never worked once they became married and had kids to raise......Most of the younger women either worked behind a retail counter, in an office or in one of the banks as tellers..You would never see a man in those jobs.

They certainly had the same free government education as males until one decided to go to University....If you went to Uni your parents were regarded as well off.......I wanted to study medicine or Pharmacy.....I wanted to follow in my Grand Father's foot steps who was a Pharmacist and well know in Port Douglas as the local doctor, dentist and chemist.....There is a photo of him with his history attached to a pole in Macrossan Street Port Douglas.

My next choice was a trade and I took on plumbing like my uncle......But you know what I hated being a tool man.....At 23 years of age I became a supervisor and at 28, works superintendent with some 200 plumbers and labourers.....I enjoyed the admin and estimating work.

What an ironic statement you have just made .

"I am simply pointing out that the "OL' days" that you are so nostalgic about, were full of the same abuses that you charge the Muslims with, but you managed to somewhat change your ways (I hope)"

How in the hell can you state those days were full of abuse that I charge the Muslims with

I think you are clutching with straws now.

Is there anything else you would like to know?

 

[Tisme]

I am simply pointing out that the "OL' days" that you are so nostalgic about, were full of the same abuses that you charge the Muslims with, but you managed to somewhat change your ways (I hope)

What old days is that? My family tree going back to the late 1600's so far is not one of abuses on women and children? In fact the women in my lineage have been well respected, been working mothers with good educations.... the men have probably been the ones well trained in fraternal obedience (we were taught to knit, crochet, cook, etc because no way were our family males going to be making women do menial tasks).

 

[noco]

Could this be the start of a revolution among Muslim women standing up for their rights?

http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/d...every-person-who-cares-about-women-sees-this/