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SirRumpole said:
There is no certainty of that if the A bomb was demonstrated over an unpopulated area, an option that was available and which you continuously ignore. Japan had no counter to the A bomb and would most likely have surrendered. If they didn't , then further A bomb drops could happen.
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the didn't even surrender after the first A bomb was dropped on a city, because they didn't believe the USA had a second one, and some people said it was a natural disaster, what makes you think the would surrender in you bombed the ocean, or some mountain range?
 
Value Collector said:
the didn't even surrender after the first A bomb was dropped on a city, because they didn't believe the USA had a second one, and some people said it was a natural disaster, what makes you think the would surrender in you bombed the ocean, or some mountain range?
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The sight of a mushroom cloud rising over Mt Fuji would be fairly convincing.
 
Value Collector said:
the didn't even surrender after the first A bomb was dropped on a city, because they didn't believe the USA had a second one, and some people said it was a natural disaster, what makes you think the would surrender in you bombed the ocean, or some mountain range?
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Come on man, the Allied has literally grazed all the cities of Japan by at least half with conventional bombs.

Their mission on those raids was intended to kill the maximum number of civilians... McNamara kind of admitted that.

So to say that the US then thought to drop two nukes to stop them having to kill more civilians... that's really pushing reason and their pattern in the conduct of that war.

For one, you don't go and say that in order for me to stop having to kill more civilians, I'll drop a nuke on your city and will not stop until you surrender. That's warped logic.

I mean, it's not like the Allied were playing nice by destroying at least half of each and every city... now they're getting serious about saving lives.


It's pretty simple: the nukes were dropped to force a quick surrender. The quick surrender to the US means the Soviets cannot get to claim any more territories in the East. So that Japan will totally be the US's new colony.

So did the early surrender save more Japanese lives? Hard to tell since that's assuming that Japan surrendered because they fear the nukes destroying more of their already destroyed cities.

Maybe Japan would have surrendered just as quick the moment the Soviets took their colonies and are fast heading towards Tokyo. So maybe those civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki might not have to be sacrificed so that other cities won't have to be burnt more to the ground.


But let say that the nukes was the only reason Japan surrendered. The aim of the nukes was to force a surrender, not to save civilian or Allied military lives anyway.

That can easily be proven because they were dropped on civilian centres... or at least drop near enough that they know it'll kill most of the civilians nearby.

Second, it was not to save Allied soldiers lives because Japan was completely defenseless at the time. Japan couldn't even feed itself, have no allied, completely surrounded... so whatever casualties they might wreck on the allied would be minimal... at least not to the extend that 200,000 civilians need to bear the cost of that benefit analysis.
 
Number of feminists who whinged about Abbott looking at his watch ...... 10,000 (slight exaggeration)

Number of feminists who whinged about Keysar Trad domestic violence comment .................still searching for one

Seems as though Islam is off limits to the feminazi
 
Here is a letter to the editor written by a Canadian house wife.


Ticked-off Housewife
This is very good PLEASE read....

Thought you might like to read this letter
to the editor. Ever notice how some people
just seem to know how to write a letter?


This one surely does!


This was written by a Canadian woman, but oh how
it also applies to the U.S.A., U.K. and Australia .


THIS ONE PACKS A FIRM PUNCH

Written by a housewife in New Brunswick , to
her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady...


"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was
it or was it not, started by Islamic people who
brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001
and have continually threatened to do so since?


Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered
that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from
the capitol of the USA and in a field in Pennsylvania ?


Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

Do you think I care about four U. S. Marines urinating on some dead Taliban insurgents?


And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were
claiming to be tortured by a justice system of a
nation they are fighting against in a brutal Insurgency.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle
East, start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief
of which, is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan ..


I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are
sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head, while Berg
screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.


I'll care when the cowardly so-called insurgents
in Afghanistan , come out and fight like men,
instead of disrespecting their own religion by
hiding in Mosques and behind women and children.


I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow
themselves up in search of Nirvana, care about the
innocent children within range of their suicide Bombs.


I'll care when the Canadian media stops pretending that
their freedom of Speech on stories, is more important than
the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting
at home, to hear about them when something happens.


In the meantime, when I hear a story about a
CANADIAN soldier roughing up an Insurgent
terrorist to obtain information, know this:

I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the
head when he is told not to move because he
might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:


I don't care. Shoot him again.


When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed 'special' food, that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe, in your heart of hearts:

I don't care.


And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes
it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.'
Well, Jimmy Crack Corn you guessed it.


I don't care!!


If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to
all your E-mail Friends.. Sooner or later, it'll get to
the people responsible for this ridiculous behaviour!


If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete
button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't
complain when more atrocities committed by radical
Muslims happen here in our great Country! And may I add:


Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering, if
during their life on earth, they made a difference in
the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.

I have another quote that I would like to
share AND...I hope you forward All this.


One last thought for the day:


Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you:


1. Jesus Christ


2. The British Soldier.


3. The Canadian Soldier.


4. The US Soldier, and


5. The Australian Soldier


One died for your soul,
the other four, for you and your children's Freedom.




YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON,
AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET!

.
 
noco said:
Here is a letter to the editor written by a Canadian house wife.


Ticked-off Housewife
This is very good PLEASE read....

Thought you might like to read this letter
to the editor. Ever notice how some people
just seem to know how to write a letter?


This one surely does!


This was written by a Canadian woman, but oh how
it also applies to the U.S.A., U.K. and Australia .


THIS ONE PACKS A FIRM PUNCH

Written by a housewife in New Brunswick , to
her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady...


"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was
it or was it not, started by Islamic people who
brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001
and have continually threatened to do so since?


Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered
that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from
the capitol of the USA and in a field in Pennsylvania ?


Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

Do you think I care about four U. S. Marines urinating on some dead Taliban insurgents?


And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were
claiming to be tortured by a justice system of a
nation they are fighting against in a brutal Insurgency.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle
East, start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief
of which, is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan ..


I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are
sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head, while Berg
screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.


I'll care when the cowardly so-called insurgents
in Afghanistan , come out and fight like men,
instead of disrespecting their own religion by
hiding in Mosques and behind women and children.


I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow
themselves up in search of Nirvana, care about the
innocent children within range of their suicide Bombs.


I'll care when the Canadian media stops pretending that
their freedom of Speech on stories, is more important than
the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting
at home, to hear about them when something happens.


In the meantime, when I hear a story about a
CANADIAN soldier roughing up an Insurgent
terrorist to obtain information, know this:

I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the
head when he is told not to move because he
might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank:


I don't care. Shoot him again.


When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed 'special' food, that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe, in your heart of hearts:

I don't care.


And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes
it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.'
Well, Jimmy Crack Corn you guessed it.


I don't care!!


If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to
all your E-mail Friends.. Sooner or later, it'll get to
the people responsible for this ridiculous behaviour!


If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete
button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't
complain when more atrocities committed by radical
Muslims happen here in our great Country! And may I add:


Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering, if
during their life on earth, they made a difference in
the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.

I have another quote that I would like to
share AND...I hope you forward All this.


One last thought for the day:


Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you:


1. Jesus Christ


2. The British Soldier.


3. The Canadian Soldier.


4. The US Soldier, and


5. The Australian Soldier


One died for your soul,
the other four, for you and your children's Freedom.




YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON,
AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET!

.
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That was written by a journalist named Douglas Patton
 
Tisme said:
That was written by a journalist named Douglas Patton
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Yes, my first reaction when seeing this was posted by Noco and it ending in "YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON" is that it was another chain letter and I too was able to ascertain in seconds that it was written by Douglas Patton.

It's not that I disagree with all the sentiments expressed, but at least in this new age of "fake news", some effort should be put into ascertaining the authenticity of what one posts.
 
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bellenuit said:
Yes, my first reaction when seeing this was posted by Noco and it ending in "YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON" is that it was another chain letter and I too was able to ascertain in seconds that it was written by Douglas Patton.

It's not that I disagree with all the sentiments expressed, but at least in this new age of "fake news", some effort should be put into ascertaining the authenticity of what one posts.
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There are 101 people named Douglas Patton.

Will the real Doug Patton please stand up.

The only one I could find associated with the Canadian Free Press died back in 2013.

Do you have a link to prove that quote was written by Doulas Patton or was he just the messenger?

https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Douglas+Patton.&*

Is this the real Douglas Patton?

http://www.oakhinesfuneralhome.com/obituaries/DouglasPatton--39553/
 
noco said:
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There are 101 people named Douglas Patton.

Will the real Doug Patton please stand up.

The only one I could find associated with the Canadian Free Press died back in 2013.
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Again after just 3 minutes of search. The real Douglas Patton's article from 2005 (has a few extra paragraphs at beginning).

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/361899_.html

Doug Patton is a freelance columnist and political speechwriter who has worked for conservative candidates, elected officials and public policy organizations at the federal, state and local levels. His weekly column can be read in newspapers across the country and on selected Internet web sites. Readers can e-mail him at dpatton@neonramp.com.

 
When you get these types of articles, all you need do is copy all or most of the first sentence, put it in quotes and then search Google. 9 times out of 10 you will quickly find out if it is genuine.
 
bellenuit said:
When you get these types of articles, all you need do is copy all or most of the first sentence, put it in quotes and then search Google. 9 times out of 10 you will quickly find out if it is genuine.
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Apparently there is an original text from the pissed off house wife in New Jersy written by her some years prior (2008) and has been changed a few times since then.

I found a link which refers to the original text but does not appear to work too well.......So Douglas Patton may well have rewritten the article based on the original text.
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/dpa...dp_0606p.shtml

Maybe some one else may be able to throw some light on it.

Try this one.

http://www.gopusa.com/commentary

Origins: Although the first example quoted above has come to be attributed to a Pam Foster who resides in Atlanta and the second to an unnamed British housewife, the article is actually the work of Doug Patton, a freelance columnist and political speechwriter who lives near Omaha, Nebraska. The first e-mail-circulated version left off his two opening paragraphs and added a closing “I don’t give a sheet either about those sheet heads!” statement that wasn’t in his original, but it is otherwise a faithful copy of his article, which was first published on the gopusa.com web site on 6 June 2005 under the title “Ask Me if I Care About ‘Mishandling’ of Koran” and which has since been reproduced on a number of other web sites.

Pamela Foster said this of how her name came to be associated with Doug Patton’s article:
 
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noco said:
Apparently there is an original text from the pissed off house wife in New Jersy written by her some years prior (2008) and has been changed a few times since then.

I found a link which refers to the original text but does not appear to work too well.......So Douglas Patton may well have rewritten the article based on the original text.
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/dpa...dp_0606p.shtml

Maybe some one else may be able to throw some light on it.

Try this one.

http://www.gopusa.com/commentary

Origins: Although the first example quoted above has come to be attributed to a Pam Foster who resides in Atlanta and the second to an unnamed British housewife, the article is actually the work of Doug Patton, a freelance columnist and political speechwriter who lives near Omaha, Nebraska. The first e-mail-circulated version left off his two opening paragraphs and added a closing “I don’t give a sheet either about those sheet heads!” statement that wasn’t in his original, but it is otherwise a faithful copy of his article, which was first published on the gopusa.com web site on 6 June 2005 under the title “Ask Me if I Care About ‘Mishandling’ of Koran” and which has since been reproduced on a number of other web sites.

Pamela Foster said this of how her name came to be associated with Doug Patton’s article:
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Origins: Although the first example quoted above has come to be attributed to a Pam Foster who resides in Atlanta and the second to an unnamed British housewife, the article is actually the work of Doug Patton, a freelance columnist and political speechwriter who lives near Omaha, Nebraska. The first e-mail-circulated version left off his two opening paragraphs and added a closing “I don’t give a sheet either about those sheet heads!” statement that wasn’t in his original, but it is otherwise a faithful copy of his article, which was first published on the gopusa.com web site on 6 June 2005 under the title “Ask Me if I Care About ‘Mishandling’ of Koran” and which has since been reproduced on a number of other web sites.

Pamela Foster said this of how her name came to be associated with Doug Patton’s article:
 
noco said:
Origins: Although the first example quoted above has come to be attributed to a Pam Foster who resides in Atlanta and the second to an unnamed British housewife, the article is actually the work of Doug Patton, a freelance columnist and political speechwriter who lives near Omaha, Nebraska. The first e-mail-circulated version left off his two opening paragraphs and added a closing “I don’t give a sheet either about those sheet heads!” statement that wasn’t in his original, but it is otherwise a faithful copy of his article, which was first published on the gopusa.com web site on 6 June 2005 under the title “Ask Me if I Care About ‘Mishandling’ of Koran” and which has since been reproduced on a number of other web sites.

Pamela Foster said this of how her name came to be associated with Doug Patton’s article:
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But the important thing is that Islam is evil. Right? All you need is to find an authentic examples of bad Muslims doing bad things, brush it across all Muslims, and there we go, doing whatever we'd do to evil terrorists.
 

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