Food scarcity

[mullokintyre]

Humans have been eating dairy products (milk, cheese, yoghurt) for a lot longer than they have eaten soy based products.
History is a great teacher.
Mick

 

[Dona Ferentes]

The only thing I know about soy is that it is used as a protein boost in petfood, esp in cheaper brands, and boy does the flatulence increase.

 

[divs4ever]

Afghanistan bans wheat export to meet local needs

Afghanistan bans wheat export to meet local needs

Afghanistan bans wheat export to meet local needs-

english.news.cn

am surprised they didn't relax that a little and sell some to Iran ( maybe swap it for some petroleum products ) and help mend fences

 

[mullokintyre]

The only thing I know about soy is that it is used as a protein boost in petfood, esp in cheaper brands, and boy does the flatulence increase.

Maybe you should stop eating it then Dona?
Mick

 

[mullokintyre]

From Livewire


That has got to have an impact on food production worldwide.
Mick

 

[Value Collector]

Humans have been eating dairy products (milk, cheese, yoghurt) for a lot longer than they have eaten soy based products.
History is a great teacher.
Mick

I doubt that, soy beans have been part of the diet for thousands of years.

Also, most of the worlds population is allergic to dairy at some level.

65% - 70% of the world population is lactose intolerant.

Most adults (around 65–70% of the world's population) are affected by lactose malabsorption.[5][8] Other mammals normally lose the ability to digest lactose after weaningand this was the ancestral state of all humans before the recent evolution of lactase persistence, which extends lactose tolerance into adulthood.

 

[mullokintyre]

I would respectfully disagree with your analysis.
Having read the article in question, the 64% figure relates to Asian populations, the 70% to middle east. The only other area where lactose intolerance is higher than 50% is Oceania. The rest of the world is below 50%
In sub saharan Africa, the so called cradle of civilisation, its as low as 28%.
The article says that the mutation in the DNA that causes lactose intolerance, appears to have evolved around 4300 years ago, so prior to that no one was lactose intolerant.
All mammal milk contains lactose.
Domesticated cows, goats, sheep and camels have all provided milk for a lot of societies.
According to This article

Soybean is a species of legume that has a sweet flavour and is native to East Asia. It is first described in Chinese manuscripts in 2850 BC and was first farmed for domestic use by 1100 BC. By the first century AD, soybeans were grown in Japan and over the following centuries, soybean cultivation spread to Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Burma, Nepal and India.

More recently, soybean has been cultivated around the world thanks to its popularity and versatility. It was first introduced to the United States in the 1800s and by the early 1900s, it was a commercial crop, noted for its durability and hardiness.

Today, the world’s top producers of soy are the United States, Brazil, Argentina, China and India.

So up until recent times, the soy bean was restricted to East Asia.
Mick

 

[Value Collector]

I would respectfully disagree with your analysis.
Having read the article in question, the 64% figure relates to Asian populations, the 70% to middle east. The only other area where lactose intolerance is higher than 50% is Oceania. The rest of the world is below 50%
In sub saharan Africa, the so called cradle of civilisation, its as low as 28%.
The article says that the mutation in the DNA that causes lactose intolerance, appears to have evolved around 4300 years ago, so prior to that no one was lactose intolerant.
All mammal milk contains lactose.
Domesticated cows, goats, sheep and camels have all provided milk for a lot of societies.
According to This article


So up until recent times, the soy bean was restricted to East Asia.
Mick

A lot of the grain crops we eat came from Asia, even wheat came from Asia, as does rice and many other things humans routinely eat, soybeans were being grown in Europe before potatoes and corn, which came from the Americas, so I don’t know how the location of origin affects anything.

But , as I said most of the worlds population is lactose intolerant to some level, if you want to exclude most of the worlds population eg Asia, Middle East etc then you do that, but the fact is they exist.

Most mammals are lactose intolerant as adults, just like humans, after all milk is for infants, some human populations adapted to drinking female mammary Secretions as adults however most didn’t.

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Either way whether humans drink milk or not doesn’t really matter, you suggested Soy consumption is a recent thing, which obviously it’s not, it was one of the early crops to be domesticated, and obviously humans would have been foraging on them for thousands of years before they learned to farm them.

 

[Value Collector]

I would respectfully disagree with your analysis.
Having read the article in question, the 64% figure relates to Asian populations, the 70% to middle east. The only other area where lactose intolerance is higher than 50% is Oceania. The rest of the world is below 50%
In sub saharan Africa, the so called cradle of civilisation, its as low as 28%.
The article says that the mutation in the DNA that causes lactose intolerance, appears to have evolved around 4300 years ago, so prior to that no one was lactose intolerant.
All mammal milk contains lactose.
Domesticated cows, goats, sheep and camels have all provided milk for a lot of societies.
According to This article


So up until recent times, the soy bean was restricted to East Asia.
Mick

One other point, you misread the information about the DNA mutation involving Lactose digestion, the mutation didn’t cause humans to become lactose intolerant, it caused a small number of humans to be able to digest lactose as adults, but about 70% of humans don’t have this adaption, so as adults they can’t digest it.

Humans like all other mammals lose the ability to digest lactose once they wean off their mothers milk, it’s only a small subset of the human population that developed a genetic mutation that has allowed them to carry this ability into adult hood.

There are by far a much smaller number of people that have trouble disgracing Soy beans than have trouble with diary.

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I am not promoting Soy, just pointing out that it is not bad for you, and if people are worried about complications related to foods, they should be looking at diary, it’s one of the most heavily promoted foods, with powerful lobby groups and it is actually not that healthy for most of the population.

Even the soy bean growers like to push diary products because globally dairy cows eat a lot more soybeans than are consumed making soy milk, and the meat industry consumes more soybeans than the tofu industry.

 

[Value Collector]

It is an interesting fact though that diary is marketed as being a good source of protein and calcium, but large commercial dairy farms feed their cows soy beans to increase the cows intake of protein and calcium

But, then because so many of us are lactose intolerant we end up have malabsorption of that diary based calcium and protein.

 

[qldfrog]

The banks collapsed in 2008 – and our food system is about to do the same | George Monbiot

Massive food producers hold too much power – and the regulators scarcely understand what is happening. Sound familiar, asks Guardian columnist George Monbiot

www.theguardian.com

Being the Guardian, had to be under climate crisis..but some good facts

 

[Telamelo]

I love all thing's dairy & soy - no problem whatsoever consuming both.

My serious allergy is rock melon & honey (if from a jar - as honey in cooking I love it no worries/problems). I often eat lemon & honey chicken (my favourite).

 

[wayneL]

It is an interesting fact though that diary is marketed as being a good source of protein and calcium, but large commercial dairy farms feed their cows soy beans to increase the cows intake of protein and calcium

But, then because so many of us are lactose intolerant we end up have malabsorption of that diary based calcium and protein.

It's true that there is a correlation between high dairy intake and hi incidence of osteoporosis.

 

[3 hound]

Our crops should have a good harvest. So long as the latest mice plague doesn't get traction.

Dude keep up, the rain has either directly destroyed entire crops or the land is so wet that machinery had been unable to get in to harvest them again resulting in entire harvests left to rot. Even grazing on unimproved pastures is suffering.

Yes some will do well others will be completely wiped out coming off 10 years of drought they borrowed heavily expecting a good year to pay for all the drought debt - this was the last straw, many will never farm again.

 

[3 hound]

Soy face and low T soy boy phenomena seems pretty real to me.

I have not looked at any studies.

 

[Value Collector]

It's true that there is a correlation between high dairy intake and hi incidence of osteoporosis.

Yep, and then the dairy industry fund campaigns that use osteoporosis as a reason for people to consume even more dairy, even though they know that populations with higher dairy intake suffer higher rates of osteoporosis.

The best thing to do to prevent osteoporosis is to get your calcium by eating vegetables and leafy greens and resistance exercise like weights or even swimming.

 

[Value Collector]

I have not looked at any studies.

I don’t doubt that, not many of the fragile right wing snow flakes that would use those terms have looked at the studies, in those circles appealing to the status quo, logical fallacy’s and using confirmation bias is more common that actually resorting to real evidence.

 

[3 hound]

I don’t doubt that, not many of the fragile right wing snow flakes that would use those terms have looked at the studies, in those circles appealing to the status quo, logical fallacy’s and using confirmation bias is more common that actually resorting to real evidence.

Geez settle guy, I thought adding I never looked at studies made it clear it was a joke.

Triggered much.

 

[divs4ever]

I don’t doubt that, not many of the fragile right wing snow flakes that would use those terms have looked at the studies, in those circles appealing to the status quo, logical fallacy’s and using confirmation bias is more common that actually resorting to real evidence.

another symptom of recent times ( the pursuit of conformation bias )

 

[Value Collector]

Triggered much.

Maybe, I have a couple of Fragile Toxic males of the type I described above in my extended family, when I googled the terms you wrote to see what you were talking about it reminded me of them, hahaha they are such pathetic excuses for men it’s annoying hearing them rant about what a “real man” is and does.

One of them can’t see their kids because of restraining orders, and he has been to jail previously for bashing his wife, yet he has the nerve to call my wife and abuse her because we bought his son a plant based burger at hungry jacks, and he thinks we might turn him into a vegan, which to him is clearly a much bigger crime than bashing the child’s mother and emotionally abusing children ?