Wall St. warns to begin stockpiling food

[nioka]

The oil situation has been "around the year 2000" for at least half a century now. I'd say they weren't far out since in an overall time perspective 2008 is damn close..

In the 1950s there was a lot of talk that oil would run out by 1980. In the late 50s oil was found at Moonie and that was going to make us all rich, pity it was a bit of a fizzer. Then came Alaska and the North sea. I think it will taper off for a long time yet but I do not dispute the peak oil proposition. It will just get harder to find and more expensive to produce.
The same with food. It became uneconomic to farm and the fall in production was due to economics as much as the drought. Rising food prices will see an increase to the point that there will be surplus production in a year or two.

 

[metric]

the food shortage may SOON get a whole lot worse..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN06JSi-SW8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXDISLXTaY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQQGFZHSno&feature=related

 

[derty]

I am an advocate of peak oil in the near to very near future and certainly the world has a few big negatives looming that may fundamentally change the way we live in this world. These are all physicals that are gradual, real and public.

What I find hard to swallow is religious or spiritual predictions of Armageddon based on prophecies, cosmic alignments, quatrains, ancient calendars or whatever mechanism is invoked. Multitudes have been presented and all have failed. I can see no reason why the next crop will not do otherwise.

As was noted before the 2012 Mayan date is misconstrued anyway:

The End Times aficionados are so entranced by the thought of this whole new mythology they can pull apocalypses out of, that they've entirely overlooked the itsy-bitsy factoid that 2012 isn't the Mayan date for end of the world, at all. That's not scheduled until sometime in the fiftieth century. 2012 will only mark the end of a calendrical cycle, and as such, a pretty good time to party...well, unless you're an End Times obsessive.

from: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/infinity2.html (follow some of the links right at the bottom of the page for a wider range)

some more: http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

 

[explod]

I agree and suppose this angle came from my small dissertation on Nostradamus back at about post 3.

The basic point is that on normal population growth a time could be calculated when the planet is full, thats it, no more room for anymore.

 

[metric]

below is a post from another forum..

The Mayans believed that the Next Ice Age (Based on Interpretation) will be December 21st 2012...

The Prophecy of 2012

This grand cycle of evolution will culminate
winter solstice, December 21, 2012 AD.

This time we are now in has been called "The Time of Trial on Earth," "Judgement Day," "The Time of Great Purification," "The End of this Creation," "The Quickening," "The End of Time as We Know It," "The Shift of the Ages." It is foretold that the completion of the Precession brings regeneration of Earth, offering awakening to all open, willing hearts. Many peoples spoke of these last days of the Great Cycle, including the: Maya, Hopi, Egyptians, Kabbalists, Essenes, Qero elders of Peru, Navajo, Cherokee, Apache, Iroquois confederacy, Dogon Tribe, and Aborigines.

 

[The Once-ler]

The basic point is that on normal population growth a time could be calculated when the planet is full, thats it, no more room for anymore.

I think the worlds population has been full twice before.

It was 'full' ten thousand years ago before agriculture began. The nomadic hunter gatherer human populations were kept in check by nature. Then, with agriculture, the populations exploded.

The worlds population was 'full' again in the late 19th century. Famine was common as soil fertility all around the world was depleted and all the natural sources of fertilizer were being used up. Along came oil based chemical nitrogen fertilizer and it saved the day.
http://www.hydro.com/en/About-Hydro/Our-history/1900---1917/1900-On-the-brink-of-famine/
This was the start of the green revolution and along with chemicals and other oil based inputs, food production multiplied many many times over. Problem was, human populations exploded even faster. Agricultural production has been able to keep up until now.

We are now approaching the third time the place is full as peak oil hits. But there is nothing coming this time that can save the day. Nature rules in the end. Humans aren't as smart as we thought.


Luckily, Australia exports two thirds of it's food. We will do OK as production drops off. The US, Canada, and New Zealand will do OK too. You wouldn't want to live in too many other places though.

 

[Temjin]

Luckily, Australia exports two thirds of it's food. We will do OK as production drops off. The US, Canada, and New Zealand will do OK too. You wouldn't want to live in too many other places though.

That's good to hear, at least we are not relied on imports to keep ourselve fed. Or maybe it's time I should start stockpiling rices from my local Asian groceries shop.

It's a little bit over gloom and doom for my tastes. I thought the collapse of the financial market / US dollars aren't gloom enough.

 

[Spanning Tree]

That's good to hear, at least we are not relied on imports to keep ourselve fed.

I doubt an Australian farmer is going to feed you just because you're Australian. If an American consumer offers more cash, you get no rice.

 

[dutchie]

Government just introduces a large food export tax.

 

[tech/a]

I found this statistic amazing.

If you placed every human on the planet in a big cube packed like sardines what would be the dimensions of that cube?

Have a go,I'll post the answer later.

 

[wayneL]

I found this statistic amazing.

If you placed every human on the planet in a big cube packed like sardines what would be the dimensions of that cube?

Have a go,I'll post the answer later.

Presuming one person takes up .25m3, it would be 11.5km cubed?

I heard a different version - that if you gave every family (presuming a family of 4) alive a 600m2 block to live on, they would all fit into NSW.

 

[BradK]

I found this statistic amazing.

If you placed every human on the planet in a big cube packed like sardines what would be the dimensions of that cube?

Have a go,I'll post the answer later.

Great question.. they always say England is overcrowded, but I have NO IDEA where they all are? I fly into Stansted, or drive up to Yorkshire .. and there is no one about. Do they all live underground?

I await your answer with interest

Brad

 

[Wysiwyg]

A Jehovah Witness told me everyone on the planet could fit on top of Mount Everest.He didn`t mention anything about the logistics though.Probably trying to start another one of those Noah stories.

 

[Ageo]

I have enough game meat in the freezer from this yrs hunting to last me at least 1 year. I chuckle when people say to me "i cant believe your killing an innocent animal".

I dont think life will come to this but as mentioned before if it did i would welcome it with open arms. And i also believe alot of people will struggle.

 

[tech/a]

A Jehovah Witness told me everyone on the planet could fit on top of Mount Everest.

Leaving of course the Jehovah Witness to inherit the earth!

 

[brty]

With a few assumptions, like us westerners are much bigger than the average staving refugee.

Fitting in like sardines.

Then 6 people per m3 would equal just over 1km3, ie 1000 metres x 1000 metres x 1000 metres.

brty

 

[Happy]

So Global warming, oil shortage, food, you've all named it above boils down to one thing, tooooo many people. PEOPLE POLUTION

Nostradarmus made dire predictions that he could not define clearly but that it would happen beyond the year 2000 I believe that more than a predictive seer he just calculated forward population growth, its a no brainer.

Well, let me say again that 1 child policy from today, would be a good start.

Oh and scrap the baby bonus from today too.

 

[Happy]

I have enough game meat in the freezer from this yrs hunting to last me at least 1 year. I chuckle when people say to me "i cant believe your killing an innocent animal".

I dont think life will come to this but as mentioned before if it did i would welcome it with open arms. And i also believe alot of people will struggle.

Just pray that electricity supply is not interrupted during that time, or get the generator and supply of fuel just in case.

 

[tech/a]

With a few assumptions, like us westerners are much bigger than the average staving refugee.

Fitting in like sardines.

Then 6 people per m3 would equal just over 1km3, ie 1000 metres x 1000 metres x 1000 metres.

brty

Would you like the Fluffy Panda or the Brown bear!
Well done.

 

[BradK]

For us too tired to think could you give us an object lesson, an example, or a picture of what that would look like?