Food scarcity

[moXJO]

Our crops should have a good harvest. So long as the latest mice plague doesn't get traction.

 

[JohnDe]

There is no food scarcity, in first world countries.

It is the poor nations that suffer from first world inflation and demand.

"The US Treasury last month convened a meeting with multilateral institutions to discuss measures to tackle rising food insecurity. Among its own initiatives, the US has allocated new global emergency food assistance bringing the total since February to nearly $2.6bn. It is also looking to mitigate the global fertiliser shortage by boosting domestic production of crop nutrients through a $500mn US Department of Agriculture programme."​

World’s poorest nations to receive aid amid soaring food prices

 

[Mohammed Hazabig'un]

Wonder how bad it gets....

 

[moXJO]

God, let's hope not. GFC brought similar fears and that turned out to be a blip on the radar.

Biggest threat is the supply lines being so sluggish. Multiple things going on.
Someone was telling me that China had shipped all the containers overseas and none were coming back via China imports.

Not sure if it's true or not.

 

[Smurf1976]

THE UK IS IN DEEP TROUBLE!

He notes correctly that higher fuel prices are not driven by the Ukraine war but then goes on to say it's driven by the sanctions.

Nope - the UK and others' big gas price runup got underway many months before reports that Russia was amassing troops at the border. Gas is fuel directly and it also feeds directly into fertilizer prices and thus food prices.

Or in other words, he's right that it's not the war but he's wrong in saying it's due to sanctions. The sanctions added to it but problem as such predates and is deeper than that alone.

 

[divs4ever]

there are several nasty trends that were accelerating before the Russian 'military operation ' ( they should have called it a ' police action' and used the US/Australian involvement in Vietnam , and neighbours as the maximum limit to tactics and devices deployed , after all apart from angry hippies nobody else in the West complained much )

the food shortages ( and compounding logistics problems ) the dedicated push to stop investment in fossil fuel projects ( and nuclear power plants ) there was a LOT of damage being done to global production before January 2022 , now SOME may have been 'enemy action ' ( OPEC and China come to mind ) but a lot was being self-inflicted ( say Victorian energy exploration policy as an example but NOT unique even in Australia , QLD was doing similar with coal mine development )

but smart people will see through the Russo-phobia and their trust in their glorious leaders will erode a little more

and am SHOCKED Scotty from marketing thinks he has the narrative under control

 

[Value Collector]

There is no food scarcity, in first world countries.

It is the poor nations that suffer from first world inflation and demand.

"The US Treasury last month convened a meeting with multilateral institutions to discuss measures to tackle rising food insecurity. Among its own initiatives, the US has allocated new global emergency food assistance bringing the total since February to nearly $2.6bn. It is also looking to mitigate the global fertiliser shortage by boosting domestic production of crop nutrients through a $500mn US Department of Agriculture programme."​

World’s poorest nations to receive aid amid soaring food prices

Sending less of the grain and soybeans we produce to factory farms would also help increase food security.

It’s a crazy fact that only 6% of soybeans grown are eaten by humans directly, the majority are fed to animals in factory farms and feed lots. It’s a similar story with wheat, corn, rice and other crops, animals in factory farms also consume a large chunk of the fish caught.

If we collectively ate less meat, there would be lower food prices, and no food insecurity.

 

[peter2]

Noticed huge volume went into the Betashares Global Agriculture ETF ( FOOD) today.
Over 1 million shares exchanged. Is it a buy or a sell?

 

[qldfrog]

Noticed huge volume went into the Betashares Global Agriculture ETF ( FOOD) today.
Over 1 million shares exchanged. Is it a buy or a sell?

i have a substantial packet of these in the discretionary portfolio:+1.52% today so far
more like that please

 

[divs4ever]

Sending less of the grain and soybeans we produce to factory farms would also help increase food security.

It’s a crazy fact that only 6% of soybeans grown are eaten by humans directly, the majority are fed to animals in factory farms and feed lots. It’s a similar story with wheat, corn, rice and other crops, animals in factory farms also consume a large chunk of the fish caught.

If we collectively ate less meat, there would be lower food prices, and no food insecurity.

i have seen some saying we shouldn't be eating soy at all , so maybe we should be planting more ( normal ) beans and peas are returning nutrients to the soil

 

[Value Collector]

i have seen some saying we shouldn't be eating soy at all , so maybe we should be planting more ( normal ) beans and peas are returning nutrients to the soil

Most of the anti soy stuff has been debunked, but of course the farmers could plant other crops in their place if the demand changed.

Basically a lot of the Anti soy stuff goes back to outdated studies from the 80’s that were based on force feeding mice soy protein which it turns out doesn’t related to humans and were in amounts that no human would ever eat anyway.

Also, there were concerns that the phyto-esterogen in soy would have an adverse affect on Males, but it turns out it does act the same way as Mammal Estero hen and actually has health benefits, where as the Mammal esteogen humans consume in meat and milk from female cows is more dangerous if you are worried about estrogen in take.

 

[divs4ever]

Most of the anti soy stuff has been debunked, but of course the farmers could plant other crops in their place if the demand changed.

Basically a lot of the Anti soy stuff goes back to outdated studies from the 80’s that were based on force feeding mice soy protein which it turns out doesn’t related to humans and were in amounts that no human would ever eat anyway.

Also, there were concerns that the phyto-esterogen in soy would have an adverse affect on Males, but it turns out it does act the same way as Mammal Estero hen and actually has health benefits, where as the Mammal esteogen humans consume in meat and milk from female cows is more dangerous if you are worried about estrogen in take.

well my gut doesn't like soy ( not even the sauce ) and there was a Japanese professor who gave strong warnings on Monsanto's GM soy

feel free to grab my share ( of soy )

 

[divs4ever]

might not be that civilized

 

[Value Collector]

well my gut doesn't like soy ( not even the sauce ) and there was a Japanese professor who gave strong warnings on Monsanto's GM soy

feel free to grab my share ( of soy )

I guess people can be allergic to anything, I mean some people can die from the smell of a peanut, but for the rest of us there’s no need to avoid soy or peanuts, in general unless you have an allergy both are pretty healthy.

I will definitely take your share, I love Korean BBQ Tofu

 

[divs4ever]

I guess people can be allergic to anything, I mean some people can die from the smell of a peanut, but for the rest of us there’s no need to avoid soy or peanuts, in general unless you have an allergy both are pretty healthy.

I will definitely take your share, I love Korean BBQ Tofu

just seems to sit in my gut , whether soy milk ( or something with soy milk powder included ) and of course the other easy spot soy products )

unlike my intolerance to garlic , now ( which was overuse in years gone by ) the soy thing seems to have been most of my adult like ( soy wasn't around much when a was a child/teen , a bit of soy sauce in an Asian meal was about it )

but yeah , enjoy

 

[moXJO]

Most of the anti soy stuff has been debunked, but of course the farmers could plant other crops in their place if the demand changed.

Basically a lot of the Anti soy stuff goes back to outdated studies from the 80’s that were based on force feeding mice soy protein which it turns out doesn’t related to humans and were in amounts that no human would ever eat anyway.

Also, there were concerns that the phyto-esterogen in soy would have an adverse affect on Males, but it turns out it does act the same way as Mammal Estero hen and actually has health benefits, where as the Mammal esteogen humans consume in meat and milk from female cows is more dangerous if you are worried about estrogen in take.

The science isn't clear I thought. There's studies either way.

 

[Value Collector]

The science isn't clear I thought. There's studies either way.

The science is pretty clear, take a look into it and you will see that most of the negative claims come from a handful of botched studies back in the 80’s that articles just kept repeating for years, but they have since proven to be negative.

In reality humans have eaten soy beans for centuries, and they packed with protein, vitamins, minerals, good fats and carbohydrates and are low in the bad stuff.

There is no need to fear soy beans.

Here is a great article that compares the facts with some of the outdated claims

 

[StockyGuy]

Yup, in my own very subjective experience of observing other human primates it's the dedicated dairy lovers who seem to more often exhibit that estrogenic gyno manboobery. Also bear in mind the Sanitarium So Good soy milk I buy is very well fortified, and is for that reason pretty much a health tonic in itself.

 

[wayneL]

Here's another article on Soy.

Straight Talk About Soy

The Takeaway: Soy is a unique food that is widely studied for its estrogenic and anti-estrogenic effects on the body. Studies may seem to present conflicting conclusions about soy, but this is larg…

www.hsph.harvard.edu

The thing is both dairy and soybeans are huge industries competing with each other, therefore studies do have a vested interest in the result depending on who is funding it. There also seems to be a political angle to it, which is curious.

That leaves us to interpret the science as best as we can. Additionally I would posit that manboobery might have other factors involved rather that strictly dairy or soy.

I don't shun either but also don't consume much of either.

 

[Value Collector]

Here's another article on Soy.

Straight Talk About Soy

The Takeaway: Soy is a unique food that is widely studied for its estrogenic and anti-estrogenic effects on the body. Studies may seem to present conflicting conclusions about soy, but this is larg…

www.hsph.harvard.edu

The thing is both dairy and soybeans are huge industries competing with each other, therefore studies do have a vested interest in the result depending on who is funding it. There also seems to be a political angle to it, which is curious.

That leaves us to interpret the science as best as we can. Additionally I would posit that manboobery might have other factors involved rather that strictly dairy or soy.

I don't shun either but also don't consume much of either.

The diary industry needs you to eat dairy, the soybean industry needs you to eat chickens and pigs.

Remember only 6% of soybeans are eaten by humans the bulk of them go to factory farms, so the "Soy bean" industry doesn't really want you to convert to tofu, but the meat and dairy industry want you to stay with them.

So its definitely the meat and dairy industry that has the most to lose and they will try and poison the well for alternatives if they can.