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If it's using waste then sure, that's putting it to a sensible use.

Also there are niche applications where ethanol, regardless of how it's produced, does have huge value as fuel in an engine due to its oxygen content. If the engine unavoidably needs to be used in a confined space well then ethanol has value definitely if it's all mixed and used properly.

Turning corn or wheat into fuel with which to run ordinary road vehicles under normal conditions of use is however an extremely dubious idea. The benefit in terms of fuel use is relatively minor at best and then there's the fertilizer use, water use, land degradation and so on. We're literally turning food into fuel which is rather bizarre considering that a farm turns fuel into food.

Then there's the non-engine uses. I realised after the previous post but many perhaps aren't aware that corn or wheat-fired heaters are a thing. Like this:



That's corn burning there yes. There are similar design heaters that burn wheat or other crops too.

Burning pellets made from waste sawdust from saw milling sure, that makes sense, but burning food? :2twocents

yes , such ideas imply a surplus of food ( but maybe they are poor quality crops , you know the rejected stuff ) while consensus says food is getting scarcer

strange times it seems
 
yes , such ideas imply a surplus of food ( but maybe they are poor quality crops , you know the rejected stuff ) while consensus says food is getting scarcer

strange times it seems
There is this, indeed rot affected grains etc, but now in EU and US, it has a life of its own and some crops are going that way from start.just a subsidy program in disguise plus an eco narrative.i actually wonder where our ethanol used in our cars here come from?
I somehow doubt it is just sugar cane wastes.
Note: from what i remember,sugarcane based ethanol was energy positive, but not cereals based ones.
Brazil was big on this
I could be proven wrong but vegetable oil and sugarcane ethanol in cars are the only ones to make kind of sense on an oil saving basis.
 
An interesting article about energy efficiency of ethanol
For those that prefer video (corn based ethanol) this is my go to channel for anything technical, EV`s etc.

He is big brain, honest and great communicator. Highly recommend for any layman that wants to understand technology at a rigorous level without BS.

 
Can you inagine it is cheaper for a producer to dump than pack ,ship and sell.....
At $1 or more a pop retail.
And these have been picked,and can be left in cold storage for ages.
But i noted many avos coming from NZ lately in coles & woolies.
As a Qlder, it makes me sick as avos are eally nature's gift...
 
Can you inagine it is cheaper for a producer to dump than pack ,ship and sell.....
At $1 or more a pop retail.
And these have been picked,and can be left in cold storage for ages.
But i noted many avos coming from NZ lately in coles & woolies.
As a Qlder, it makes me sick as avos are eally nature's gift...
yes i can ( sadly )

HOWEVER if you lived nearby such a farm , maybe you could work out a deal for yourself ( and friendly neighbours )

PS i remember decades ago a buddy that was doing the same with apples and oranges ( and the odd grape haul ) from the Stanthorpe area , turned out to be worth the round trip from Brisbane , to load ( it started from regular trips to NSW , but turned into a side-hustle in it's own right )

and an interstate truckie did similar with potatoes ( but only loaded up as part of the usual interstate deliveries )
 
In french from farming group:
Russia this year is getting its biggest wheat harvest even .while EU, USA and South America are hit by bad harvests.
Who is going to get fed this year?
I guess probably not Ukraine's "friends"
 
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