Exactly!Perhaps because honest john promised to keep interest rates at record lows?
people can only learn the hard way... Governments LIE!
hey cmon wayne !!
they don't lie!
just that, well,
sometimes, they get the line wrong between "core promises" and "non-core"
Rafa, I simply can't follow your reasoning here. As I stated earlier, yes indeed I did choose to work weekends and at no penalty rates. Nothing to do with a house being repossessed.i'll repeat what i said...
There is one thing to have choice, its a completely different thing to have the option to excercise choice.
the choices exist because of the mining boom... (tho i am sure not everyone is cut out to be a miner!) The IR laws will exist long after it....
If someone CHOOSES to work weekends at no penalty rates simply to help stop their house being repossessed... do you call that having CHOICE?
i am all for personal responsibility... but then be prepared for huge social inequity and the other social repercussions that come with that... cause in the end, we do all live in the same society... you need look no further than the US for proof.
If your happy with that... then thats fine... thats your CHOICE. Cast your vote accordingly.
I wonder if there are any statistics to back this up?The majority of Australian still work under EBA and awards
I wonder if there are any statistics to back this up?
I've only been in the workforce since after John Howard was elected. My first job was under an EBA - I supposed because it was for Australia Post, which is a Government owned company and fairly unionised. I expect that they are still putting people on EBAs over there.
However in the half dozen + jobs I've had since, I've always worked on either AWA (twice) or Common Law agreement (the rest).
One of the employers that offered an AWA gave the option of an award but, as anyone who has earnt award wages knows, the choice between an award and an AWA is generally an easy one. The employer is prepared to pay significantly more to you in return for the 'flexibility' (ie if you don't perform they can fire you).
I've done some quick searches on percentages of workers employed under different types of contracts but can't find anything. Anyone know of any sources?
I will try to find you some stats , but it difficult as both the unions and the government quote different figures , I have attach a link to an article on wages and conditions on awards , EBA's vs AWA's. It may suprise you.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/05/1970390.htm
If more people did take responsibility for their own lives and outcomes, we would have a damn sight fewer people existing on welfare.
Why does personal responsiblity imply huge social inequity? I would have thought quite the reverse. If more people did take responsibility for their own lives and outcomes, we would have a damn sight fewer people existing on welfare.
Fair comment, Rafa. I understand what you are saying.I agree 100%... in theory. But I think you are overestimating peoples capabilities to do the above...
I am coming mainly from the social consequences point of view... the more poeple that falll off the social ladder, the worse it gets for everyone in society... unless you build a moat around your neighbourhood and protect it with force.
Its also the reason, where in the country where that principle is adhered to most stringently... everyone needs to carry guns and there are lot of people on welfare or working for $5 an hour.
Having AWA's means its a race to the bottom in wages and conditions.... and huge profits for those who run businesses...
What makes a society great is the collective wealth not the individual wealth. That is why Australia is such a great country today and the UK 100 years ago was filled with petty thieves they had to dispatch to Australia... Did anyone see the worst jobs in history... the cigarette matches factory workers in the UK... no wonder the union movement started... that was barely 100 years ago... not that long time ago... and its that that distributed the wealth from the owners to the workers and made the country as a whole a lot more prosperous.
What a silly generalisation. I'm not interested in telling you of the many difficulties I and many of my friends have had to overcome, but simply inheriting prosperity wasn't part of it. I recall interest rates of 22% for starters.I see this kind of statement as narrow minded but roughly typical of the Baby boomer mindset.
By mere virtue of being born when they where baby boomers have Inherited a kind of prosperity that has not been enjoyed by virtually any other generation ever.
They havnt worked harder or smarter, they where simply in the right place at the right time.
It so happens that I spend many hours working with people on welfare in several different capacities in order to make their lives more manageable, and am mostly not paid for this. I see all the time first hand those who make a genuine attempt to change their lives and who have been immensely unfortunate, but also plenty who are perfectly content to exist on the dole and have no interest in getting a job. Example: a bunch of bikies sharing accommodation, all getting either the dole or Disability Pension, behind in the rent, unpaid electricity, because the money has gone into alcohol and drugs, plus their long distance rides.Perhaps if more people took responsibility for "other" peoples lives we would have a damn sight fewer people existing on Welfare eh ?
You are making assumptions with arrogance and ignorance.Australias economic prosperity of the last few years has done little more than build an economic bridge between the haves and have nots.
I see this all across Australia, I even have a personal experience of this, My parents are divorced, One is a Millionaire and one "exists" on welfare, One gets richer by the day the other is 100pc reliant on welfare.
The socio econmomic gap in Australia has been widened hugely the last few years and i know its easy when you have it all to question why others dont, but to treat them with distain is simply unAustralian
What a silly generalisation. I'm not interested in telling you of the many difficulties I and many of my friends have had to overcome, but simply inheriting prosperity wasn't part of it. I recall interest rates of 22% for starters.
It so happens that I spend many hours working with people on welfare in several different capacities in order to make their lives more manageable, and am mostly not paid for this. I see all the time first hand those who make a genuine attempt to change their lives and who have been immensely unfortunate, but also plenty who are perfectly content to exist on the dole and have no interest in getting a job. Example: a bunch of bikies sharing accommodation, all getting either the dole or Disability Pension, behind in the rent, unpaid electricity, because the money has gone into alcohol and drugs, plus their long distance rides.
You are making assumptions with arrogance and ignorance
Sure it was baby boomers mostly Inherited there wealth, you didnt work for a 500k home you worked for a 80k home, the boom did all the work.
22pc Interest rates, personally id like those times to return.
Good on you for your charitable work.
Where are all these Bikies on the Dole that you speak of ? Does the dole pay enough now a days to buy Drugs , Alcohol, rent , motorcycles and petrol, wow thats awesome, where do i sign up ? This is what im talking about with typical baby boomer mindsets.
Sorry you took it all so personally.
What an odd way of looking at things
lol i know im an odd person.
Just tales from Baby boomers of there hardships bore me to tears because they are for the large part exagerated and it irks me when they turn around and insinuate that those without dont try or are mostly the sum of there own equation.
For the large part the baby boomers wealth is the debt of the current generation.
Im not begrudging baby boomers, just seems alot of them take the deal forgranted and dont realise how easy it was/is for them.
Lol ,not odd in bad way. That was actually a perspective I had not thought about.
However I do believe that at this time there is a lot of opportunities in a lot of areas to get yourself ahead. With some forward thinking and the shortage of skilled workers in so many areas it’s a great time to look at your options. Takes some hard work but depends on how much you want it.Nothing wrong with being happy in your current position of course.
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