Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[Smurf1976]

That's too easy for some people, smurf, you've worked in Government and know what it is like. You have to through all the nonsense phases, before accepting the obvious.

This issue has the same problem as climate change.

Too many are trying to hitch some unrelated agenda to it rather than just fixing the problem and nothing more.

 

[sptrawler]

This issue has the same problem as climate change.

Too many are trying to hitch some unrelated agenda to it rather than just fixing the problem and nothing more.

Absolutely.
It is no good just saying the virus is one of those things, the next one could be a lot worse and if we don't learn from this one, I personally don't think the next one will end as well as this one.

 

[rederob]

This is what frustrates Joe Average with the whole world of politics.

Investgation, evaluation, inquiry, whatever nobody in the real world cares what it’s called.

Just get properly qualified, independent people to find out what happened, why and how it can be prevented from happening again.

If that turns up negligence then at that point obviously we’re looking at compensation and so on but we aren’t at that point yet.

They might not care, but this is about "processes" and steps taken.
If journalists understood the English language better, most of us would be correctly informed about what was actually going to happen.
There will not be an inquiry into the origin or source of the virus as that is likely to occur as outlined under OP9.6 of the proposed resolution. This was going to happen regardless of the proposed resolution, and shows the level of ignorance displayed by our government, who preferred to grandstand on a false narrative.
Next, you cannot prevent a natural process from happening, so there will be more zoonotic viruses springing up in future. Nature cannot be blamed for "negligence."
The evaluation will look at how a future response occurs to mitigate illness and death.
Sadly, the politicisation of this event has caused the loss of agricultural markets. It's not surprising. Our current government has a poor track record on matters concerning China.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Quo usque tandem abutere, Rederoba, patientia nostra?

Can I say it any clearer?

 

[sptrawler]

. Our current government has a poor track record on matters concerning China.

As opposed to what? Kev and his Rat F$#k comments and Julia and the meat export embargo with Indonesia?
You are at least funny, in your obvious bias.

 

[rederob]

Quo usque tandem abutere, Rederoba, patientia nostra?

Can I say it any clearer?

If you read media articles and listen to the news you might think the WHA will vote on finding out how COV19 came into being.
It will do nothing of the sort.
The evaluation will look at who did what, how, when, and why. Recommendations will come out of it.
Those who don't appreciate that are certainly trying my patience.

 

[dutchie]

Quo usque tandem abutere, Rederoba, patientia nostra?

Can I say it any clearer?

In one ear out the other.

Unfortunately, but understandably, rederob thinks, just like his Chinese countrymen, that people
1. take them seriously and 2. believe what they say. Little do they know.

 

[dutchie]

trying my patience.

We're trying your patience - now, that is funny.

 

[SirRumpole]

The more they find out about covid, the worse it looks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/...ny-says-covid-like-multiple-diseases/12242026

 

[macca]

The more they find out about covid, the worse it looks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/...ny-says-covid-like-multiple-diseases/12242026

I fear it is looking more and more like world altering event, instilling in every thinking person a permanent fear of the unknown.

 

[sptrawler]

Sounds as though this book may be an interesting read.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/author-targeted-chinese-nationalists-over-wuhan-diary-060038350.html
From the article:

Wang Fang, 65, who uses the pen name Fang Fang, has been slammed as a traitor online after the account which she initially shared to her Weibo account has been collated for publication in English this month.
To be published as ‘Wuhan Diary’, Wang documents life inside Wuhan as the city was put into an unprecedented lockdown.

 

[Smurf1976]

you cannot prevent a natural process from happening, so there will be more zoonotic viruses springing up in future. Nature cannot be blamed for "negligence."

No disagreement there assuming that humans played zero role in it. Nobody ate something they sensibly wouldn't have eaten, there was no lab involved with it all, it didn't come from a market etc. That doesn't seem to be known with certainty at this stage.

As an overall comment, in any other field if something serious happens then getting to the root cause of the problem would be the focus of an investigation.

In anything from a structural collapse or plane crash through to things where the problem is a financial one, for example big budget movies failing to draw audiences, there's a pretty serious effort made in determining what went wrong.

Given the consequences of this virus, it seems reasonable to expect that the standard of investigation would be very thorough in getting to the truth so far as is practical. We're talking about major disruption to billions of people and over 300,000 deaths with all this. That's a fair bit worse than any bridge collapse and it's a hell of a lot worse than someone picking the wrong actor for the movie.

 

[rederob]

Given the consequences of this virus, it seems reasonable to expect that the standard of investigation would be very thorough in getting to the truth so far as is practical. We're talking about major disruption to billions of people and over 300,000 deaths with all this. That's a fair bit worse than any bridge collapse and it's a hell of a lot worse than someone picking the wrong actor for the movie.

Again, there will be no "investigation" in the conventional sense as the path to identifying the zoonotic source of the virus is spelled out at OP9.6. This process has been ongoing, and there are already hundreds of scientific papers about it. It will continue to involve a large international effort of science specialists and with luck might find the intermediate host/s.

 

[Humid]

As opposed to what? Kev and his Rat F$#k comments and Julia and the meat export embargo with Indonesia?
You are at least funny, in your obvious bias.

Your not

 

[sptrawler]

Your not

Come on, I've given Mark McGowan heaps of accolades, credit where credit is due.
I'm still on the fence with ScoMo, in my opinion he hasn't done anything wrong, but I wouldn't rave about his performance up until now. I expected him to perform better to be honest.
I'm pretty impressed with Albo, which I didn't expect, he hasn't blown his feet off or ranted on endlessly which is a breath of fresh air.
ATM I could go either way, if an election was on, which is the first time in a long time.

 

[sptrawler]

Again, there will be no "investigation" in the conventional sense as the path to identifying the zoonotic source of the virus is spelled out at OP9.6. This process has been ongoing, and there are already hundreds of scientific papers about it. It will continue to involve a large international effort of science specialists and with luck might find the intermediate host/s.

Looks like a full investigation is the go.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...sembly-as-china-signs-on-20200519-p54ukn.html
From the article:
A historic motion led by the European Union and Australia to establish an independent review of the coronavirus has passed the World Health Assembly.

The unanimous vote was carried without objection just before 10pm on Tuesday night. The decision will see an inquiry into the origins and international response to the coronavirus established at the earliest possible opportunity.

The review will identify the source of the virus and the route of introduction from other animals to the human population, as well as consider lessons learned from the WHO-coordinated international health response to COVID-19.

In a joint statement from Foreign Minister Marise Payne and Health Minister Greg Hunt, Australia welcomed the adoption of the resolution.

"There is also a clear mandate to identify the source of the COVID-19 virus and how it was transmitted to humans, which will be necessary to prevent and reduce the risks of the emergence of new diseases that pass from animals to humans," the statement read.

"Australia has been clear and transparent in calling for an independent review into COVID-19, which is an unprecedented global health and economic crisis.

There you go Rob.

 

[rederob]

Looks like a full investigation is the go.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...sembly-as-china-signs-on-20200519-p54ukn.html
From the article:
A historic motion led by the European Union and Australia to establish an independent review of the coronavirus has passed the World Health Assembly.

The unanimous vote was carried without objection just before 10pm on Tuesday night. The decision will see an inquiry into the origins and international response to the coronavirus established at the earliest possible opportunity.

The review will identify the source of the virus and the route of introduction from other animals to the human population, as well as consider lessons learned from the WHO-coordinated international health response to COVID-19.

Why not read the actual resolution, and quote what is says.
I have consistently said that what journalists are writing is not correct, and I know that what you have linked to has some glaring errors.
How about stumping up facts rather than poor journalism.

 

[sptrawler]

Time will tell, as usual.
There is no way it wont be a full investigation, the U.S has made that fairly clear, to those who want to listen.
The only one here, who was saying there wont be an investigation and giving endless reams of reasons why one shouldn't happen, seems to be now changing the tone.
From what I posted, the journalist is quoting the foreign and health ministers, not giving an opinion.
Looks like you have backed the wrong side of the argument, yet again Rob.

 

[rederob]

There is no way it wont be a full investigation, the U.S has made that fairly clear, to those who want to listen.

As I said, quote from the resolution, as it contradicts your claims.
If you cannot do that then what you are posting is more in the stream of "fake news" from the media you tune in to.

 

[dutchie]

Time will tell, as usual.
There is no way it wont be a full investigation, the U.S has made that fairly clear, to those who want to listen.
The only one here, who was saying there wont be an investigation and giving endless reams of reasons why one shouldn't happen, seems to be now changing the tone.
From what I posted, the journalist is quoting the foreign and health ministers, not giving an opinion.
Looks like you have backed the wrong side of the argument, yet again Rob.

The full investigation will obviously depend on how much cooperation it gets from the Chinese, which will be minimal, to save their @sses.
China lied, people died.