Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[qldfrog]

I would like to share some thoughts and maybe get some intelligent feedback.
France clusters now seem to highlight a high frequency of occurrence in slaughter house
And one of the latest cluster in Melbourne was in an slaughter house too.
We also know that max transmission is at 8C and 64% humidity.. slaughter house perfect...
People were saying close presence in confined space but that is the same in many factory lines
Should this indicate and reinforce this temperature moisture correlation.
Then this means scary time ahead down South in Australia in the next 3 months and a take it easy here in qld.
Would match the absence of real explosion in tropical areas
Covid-19 could be a col and temperate climate issue mostly/only

 

[Smurf1976]

The problem a lot of people have IMO, they think yanks think like us, I worked/lived with them for a couple of years they don't think like us at all.

True although same could be said for most places. They might seem the same on the surface but start digging and really they aren't.

Even within Australia there are subtle differences in the way people tend to think in different parts of the country which only become apparent after experiencing it.

 

[rederob]

I would like to share some thoughts and maybe get some intelligent feedback.
France clusters now seem to highlight a high frequency of occurrence in slaughter house
And one of the latest cluster in Melbourne was in an slaughter house too.
We also know that max transmission is at 8C and 64% humidity.. slaughter house perfect...
People were saying close presence in confined space but that is the same in many factory lines
Should this indicate and reinforce this temperature moisture correlation.
Then this means scary time ahead down South in Australia in the next 3 months and a take it easy here in qld.
Would match the absence of real explosion in tropical areas
Covid-19 could be a col and temperate climate issue mostly/only

First, COV19 is known to survive longer on colder surfaces so the northern winter was an ideal breeding ground. In fact a ski resort became one of Europe's COV19 hotspots and may have been linked to UK's patient zero.
Next, while production lines at meat processing facilities are pretty good in terms of food handling practices, the problem possibly lies with the workers themselves. As a generalisation, and in the USA in particular, much the industry relies on workers not seen as “regular folks” (eg, have a low level of education, are undocumented migrants or former prisoners), and many work on a piece-rate basis, so will continue to come to work even when sick. However, at least in the USA, many of these workers also share accommodation or live in the same complexes, and are also typically more socially interactive, thereby enhancing potential spread.
As a quick aside, until recently whenever I went shopping I looked for the hottest supermarket trolley in the carpark as I knew the hot metal and handle would have been a far better sanitiser for the whole trolley than a mere handle-sanitising wipe in the centre itself.

 

[dutchie]

Even within Australia there are subtle differences in the way people tend to think in different parts of the country which only become apparent after experiencing it.

Yes, I have often wondered why some Australians don't like the colour maroon, whilst other Australians don't like the colour blue. It seems to be a regional thing.

 

[rederob]

The media made a meal into a feast over the "inquiry into the origins of COV19" but really had no idea what it actually entailed. So here's the resolution that Australia supported, and here's the nub:

OP9.10 Initiate, at the earliest appropriate moment, and in consultation with Member States, 1 a stepwise process of impartial, independent and comprehensive evaluation, including using existing mechanisms, 2 as appropriate, to review experience gained and lessons learned from the WHO-coordinated international health response to COVID-19, including (i) the effectiveness of the mechanisms at WHO’s disposal; (ii) the functioning of the IHR and the status of implementation of the relevant recommendations of the previous IHR Review Committees; (iii) WHO’s contribution to United Nations-wide efforts; and (iv) the actions of WHO and their timelines pertaining to the COVID-19 pandemic, and make recommendations to improve global pandemic prevention, preparedness, and response capacity, including through strengthening, as appropriate, WHO’s Health Emergencies Programme;​

There appears to be a spelling mistake in that "timelines" should be timeliness. Apart from that you don't need to be a genius to work out that the issue of "origin" is conspicuously absent.
The wording of UN resolutions is vital, as there should be no ambiguities in what is being proposed. In this case the resolution is to conduct an "evaluation". It will be about assessing how things happened rather than inquiring about any cause.
It was no surprise that Xi supported the thrust of the resolution as China has officially indicated that to be the case. Sensibly, the issue of "origin" will be determined by science in the fullness of time (with luck).

 

[moXJO]

It was no surprise that Xi supported the thrust of the resolution as China has officially indicated that to be the case. Sensibly, the issue of "origin" will be determined by science in the fullness of time (with luck).

Shame about the tariffs. I suppose those were determined by "science" though.

 

[wayneL]

Interesting stats here:

 

[sptrawler]

Cut the crap rob.

Just hold an independent enquiry and find the TRUTH.

That's all.

Sounds as though you are going to get your wish Rumpy, you started calling for it over a month ago, well at least it is going to get off the ground.
It will be interesting to see the terms of reference, that are agreed on, six months after the event it will be difficult to find any information World wide that isn't sanitised living or dead.

 

[bellenuit]

Sounds as though you are going to get your wish Rumpy, you started calling for it over a month ago, well at least it is going to get off the ground.
It will be interesting to see the terms of reference, that are agreed on, six months after the event it will be difficult to find any information World wide that isn't sanitised living or dead.

I haven't read the text in detail, but I think China has agreed to do it "at an appropriate time".

 

[rederob]

Sounds as though you are going to get your wish Rumpy, you started calling for it over a month ago, well at least it is going to get off the ground.
It will be interesting to see the terms of reference, that are agreed on, six months after the event it will be difficult to find any information World wide that isn't sanitised living or dead.

There was never going to be an "inquiry" nor an "investigation," so it makes no difference how long it takes as all the information will still be available whenever the evaluation begins.

 

[dutchie]

There was never going to be an "inquiry" nor an "investigation," so it makes no difference how long it takes as all the information will still be available whenever the evaluation begins.

Funniest statement you have made all day.

 

[rederob]

Funniest statement you have made all day.

Not as funny as it made our PM look when the Chinese Embassy pointed out that the consultation process leading to the resolution meant that for Australia to claim vindication was "nothing but a joke."

 

[dutchie]

Not as funny as it made our PM look when the Chinese Embassy pointed out that the consultation process leading to the resolution meant that for Australia to claim vindication was "nothing but a joke."

Now, you have put me in a quandary. I'm not sure whether this statement is funnier than your last one.
Hmmm, no, as funny as this statement is it is not quite as funny as your previous one. Other people may argue the point however.

 

[dutchie]

Now rederob, you do have to admit that all the BS that comes out of China is a joke, period.

 

[rederob]

Now, you have put me in a quandary. I'm not sure whether this statement is funnier than your last one.
Hmmm, no, as funny as this statement is it is not quite as funny as your previous one. Other people may argue the point however.

Scomo wanted cheese and instead has to eat chalk!
Our pathetic journalists cannot tell the difference! Here's the return fire from a question put to the Ministry for Foreign Affairs yesterday:

The Australian: "More than 100 of the WHO's almost 190 members now support an independent inquiry into the coronavirus. Those countries on every continent in the world include Russia, Japan, India, the EU, Brazil, Australia and almost every nation in Africa. Will China support the independent inquiry when it is introduced at tomorrow's WHA?"

Zhao Lijian: "What you said is not accurate. The European Union recently submitted a draft resolution on COVID-19 to the 73rd World Health Assembly on which all parties have reached consensus. On the tracing of the origin of the virus, all parties agreed to choose wording following the recommendations of the International Health Regulations Emergency Committee and ask the WHO Director-General to closely cooperate with OIE, FAO and the member states to identify the animal source of the virus, its route for transmission to humans and possible intermediate hosts, aiming to reduce the risk of similar incidents in the future. This demonstrates a scientific and professional spirit. As to the evaluation of WHO response to COVID-19, the draft resolution requests the Director-General to, after consultations with member states, initiate at the appropriate moment a stepwise process of impartial, independent and comprehensive evaluation to review experience gained and lessons learnt from the WHO-coordinated international health response to COVID-19 and propose suggestions for the work in the future. This is a customary practice for the WHO after dealing with a pandemic. For the international community, the above-mentioned is the largest possible common ground on the relevant issue.

During the consultations on the resolution, the overwhelming majority of countries believed the pandemic has yet to pass and the cooperation on COVID-19 remains the most pressing task. It is immature to immediately initiate the review and trace the origin of the virus for the time being.

We hope all parties will uphold a science-based and cooperative spirit at this WHA and focus on having constructive discussions on enhancing international public health cooperation and improving international public health system."​

 

[dutchie]

Scomo wanted cheese and instead has to eat chalk!

Our pathetic journalists cannot tell the difference! Here's the return fire from a question put to the Ministry for Foreign Affairs yesterday:

The Australian: "More than 100 of the WHO's almost 190 members now support an independent inquiry into the coronavirus. Those countries on every continent in the world include Russia, Japan, India, the EU, Brazil, Australia and almost every nation in Africa. Will China support the independent inquiry when it is introduced at tomorrow's WHA?"

Zhao Lijian: "What you said is not accurate. The European Union recently submitted a draft resolution on COVID-19 to the 73rd World Health Assembly on which all parties have reached consensus. On the tracing of the origin of the virus, all parties agreed to choose wording following the recommendations of the International Health Regulations Emergency Committee and ask the WHO Director-General to closely cooperate with OIE, FAO and the member states to identify the animal source of the virus, its route for transmission to humans and possible intermediate hosts, aiming to reduce the risk of similar incidents in the future. This demonstrates a scientific and professional spirit. As to the evaluation of WHO response to COVID-19, the draft resolution requests the Director-General to, after consultations with member states, initiate at the appropriate moment a stepwise process of impartial, independent and comprehensive evaluation to review experience gained and lessons learnt from the WHO-coordinated international health response to COVID-19 and propose suggestions for the work in the future. This is a customary practice for the WHO after dealing with a pandemic. For the international community, the above-mentioned is the largest possible common ground on the relevant issue.

During the consultations on the resolution, the overwhelming majority of countries believed the pandemic has yet to pass and the cooperation on COVID-19 remains the most pressing task. It is immature to immediately initiate the review and trace the origin of the virus for the time being.

We hope all parties will uphold a science-based and cooperative spirit at this WHA and focus on having constructive discussions on enhancing international public health cooperation and improving international public health system."​

Read my last post.
i.e. All China statements = BS
Scomo got caviar, China got crow!

 

[hja]

Not as funny as it made our PM look when the Chinese Embassy pointed out that the consultation process leading to the resolution meant that for Australia to claim vindication was "nothing but a joke."

Not half as funny as the expression on Cheng's face on Q&A when he pointed out that everything he couldn't digest was "fake news". That guy is a walking colostomy artist.

 

[sptrawler]

Scomo wanted cheese and instead has to eat chalk!
Our pathetic journalists cannot tell the difference! Here's the return fire from a question put to the Ministry for Foreign Affairs yesterday:

The Australian: "More than 100 of the WHO's almost 190 members now support an independent inquiry into the coronavirus. Those countries on every continent in the world include Russia, Japan, India, the EU, Brazil, Australia and almost every nation in Africa. Will China support the independent inquiry when it is introduced at tomorrow's WHA?"

Zhao Lijian: "What you said is not accurate. The European Union recently submitted a draft resolution on COVID-19 to the 73rd World Health Assembly on which all parties have reached consensus. On the tracing of the origin of the virus, all parties agreed to choose wording following the recommendations of the International Health Regulations Emergency Committee and ask the WHO Director-General to closely cooperate with OIE, FAO and the member states to identify the animal source of the virus, its route for transmission to humans and possible intermediate hosts, aiming to reduce the risk of similar incidents in the future. This demonstrates a scientific and professional spirit. As to the evaluation of WHO response to COVID-19, the draft resolution requests the Director-General to, after consultations with member states, initiate at the appropriate moment a stepwise process of impartial, independent and comprehensive evaluation to review experience gained and lessons learnt from the WHO-coordinated international health response to COVID-19 and propose suggestions for the work in the future. This is a customary practice for the WHO after dealing with a pandemic. For the international community, the above-mentioned is the largest possible common ground on the relevant issue.

During the consultations on the resolution, the overwhelming majority of countries believed the pandemic has yet to pass and the cooperation on COVID-19 remains the most pressing task. It is immature to immediately initiate the review and trace the origin of the virus for the time being.

We hope all parties will uphold a science-based and cooperative spirit at this WHA and focus on having constructive discussions on enhancing international public health cooperation and improving international public health system."​

Jeez Rob, it is like watching Luigi the incredible magician(Paul Hogan) as he tries to backfill another stuff up, "Keep a dancing Maria".

 

[Smurf1976]

This is what frustrates Joe Average with the whole world of politics.

Investgation, evaluation, inquiry, whatever nobody in the real world cares what it’s called.

Just get properly qualified, independent people to find out what happened, why and how it can be prevented from happening again.

If that turns up negligence then at that point obviously we’re looking at compensation and so on but we aren’t at that point yet.

 

[sptrawler]

This is what frustrates Joe Average with the whole world of politics.

Investgation, evaluation, inquiry, whatever nobody in the real world cares what it’s called.

Just get properly qualified, independent people to find out what happened, why and how it can be prevented from happening again.

If that turns up negligence then at that point obviously we’re looking at compensation and so on but we aren’t at that point yet.

That's too easy for some people, smurf, you've worked in Government and know what it is like. You have to through all the nonsense phases, before accepting the obvious.
Wow that describes someone on the forum.