Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[rederob]

The full investigation will obviously depend on how much cooperation it gets from the Chinese, which will be minimal, to save their @sses.
China lied, people died.

As there will not be an investigation, your ideas are without merit.

 

[moXJO]

Why not read the actual resolution, and quote what is says.
I have consistently said that what journalists are writing is not correct, and I know that what you have linked to has some glaring errors.
How about stumping up facts rather than poor journalism.

Finally something we can agree on. SMH is fake news

 

[sptrawler]

The full investigation will obviously depend on how much cooperation it gets from the Chinese, which will be minimal, to save their @sses.
China lied, people died.

It will be difficult to get anywhere,everything will be sanitised, but at least it is happening.
Some good will come out of it, proceedures will be developed to ensure the next time it doesn't get out of control as quickly, it will be interesting to see what changes are made for international travelers.

 

[macca]

This seems to be mutating, now it is causing strokes in the younger generation

<<A growing body of evidence is painting a grim picture of how coronavirus can wreak havoc from one end of the body to the other.

It's well established that COVID-19 affects the respiratory system and targets the lungs. But several studies and anecdotal evidence suggest the disease may also cause super-charged blood clotting that damages vital organs, including the kidneys, heart and brain.

The New England Journal of Medicine recently published a case report on a small cluster of strokes in New York that involved young, healthy people, who had the virus but no known risk factors for stroke.>>

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-05-07/coronavirus-blood-clot-stroke/12220474

We cannot afford to lock down again so we need to follow the example of the experienced Asian countries.

We need to be wearing cheap exhalation prevention masks when in public and carry on working as best we can.

 

[basilio]

Can't underestimate the capacity of COVID 19 to be spread in favourable circumstances.
This is not preaching to the choir.

Coronavirus: Man gives 52 people virus in 2.5 hours at choir practice
When he turned up to choir practice, he had no symptoms. Just 2.5 hours later, 52 of the 61 singing group members were infected with coronavirus.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/h...e/news-story/9c9db88c2ca2129cb0ad60177b11856c

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Can't underestimate the capacity of COVID 19 to be spread in favourable circumstances.
...
When he turned up to choir practice, he had no symptoms. Just 2.5 hours later, 52 of the 61 singing group members were infected with coronavirus.

Quoted in this article (superclusters or no transmission):

Why do some COVID-19 patients infect many others, whereas most don’t spread the virus at all?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ny-others-whereas-most-don-t-spread-virus-all

 

[rederob]

More about the "French connection."

 

[basilio]

A group of medical scientists have published and widely distributed a paper which points out that the US government has only three months to rebuild its stockpile of PPE and emergency medical supplies to ensure there are no shortages if/when there is a resurgence of COVID 19.

Be interesting to see the response from State Governors and Republican politicians.

Exclusive: US has three months to rebuild medical supplies stockpile, Obama administration scientists warn
A seven-page report from the former president’s science advisers is an implicit criticism of Donald Trump’s handling of the pandemic
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...obama-us-national-stockpile-trump-coronavirus

 

[Knobby22]

I have been seeing from a few sources that many countries are not reporting the true death rate from coronavirus. For instance officially in the USA the death rates are 10000 per day above normal but officially coronavirus is only causing 1500 of them.

It's not just government fudging.
A work colleague from Queensland told me his Dads friends, a couple, caught it and went to hospital, recovered went home and then two weeks later the male was found dead with stroke in his pool.
He was in his 60s.

 

[macca]

I have been seeing from a few sources that many countries are not reporting the true death rate from coronavirus. For instance officially in the USA the death rates are 10000 per day above normal but officially coronavirus is only causing 1500 of them.

It's not just government fudging.
A work colleague from Queensland told me his Dads friends, a couple, caught it and went to hospital, recovered went home and then two weeks later the male was found dead with stroke in his pool.
He was in his 60s.

That is scary isn't, the world has had a very good run for 70 years (in most places) but now we have this horrid virus that really is out of control.

When I read about these people experimenting with virus' and such I have always thought that they were "playing with fire"

I also feel the same way about the fools that send signals into space, what happens if the aliens aren't friendly ?

If they are advanced enough to get here, then they are too smart for us

 

[Humid]

The show goes on
https://www.perthnow.com.au/communi...theatre-in-kinglsey-reopens-tonight-c-1044350

 

[orr]

"playing with fire"

I also feel the same way about the fools that send signals into space, what happens if the aliens aren't friendly ?

You've had a bit of time to think about that one now macca....We all go out for a 'long long lunch' on occasion.. not the best time to rattle the keys and hit the 'submit button'

And on Dutch's post at #1789 linking timesofsweden. Not an organ of any repute as far as I've yet determined.
Careful about what's 'out there' boys... (insert X-Files emoji)

 

[macca]

You've had a bit of time to think about that one now macca....We all go out for a 'long long lunch' on occasion.. not the best time to rattle the keys and hit the 'submit button'

And on Dutch's post at #1789 linking timesofsweden. Not an organ of any repute as far as I've yet determined.
Careful about what's 'out there' boys... (insert X-Files emoji)

I agree, but even though you have done that today usually your posts are OK so no worries.

I hope you had a good day

 

[fiftyeight]

Things here do not seem to add up.

NSW population 8ish million
Virginia USA 8ish million

NSW eased restrictions on the 15/5. Low numbers over an extended period, things seem to be under control.

Virginia eased restrictions to a similar level to NSW on the same day 15/5.

The numbers of cases below at the right hand side of the chart should rise as they back date new cases.

NSW on its worst day had 212 new cases.
Virginia on the 18/05 had 370 new cases.

So Virginia is easing restrictions roughly around the same levels NSW had at its worst.

Key take away, 534,775 cases avoided??? This sounds more like a political add than a press release from the Virginia Department of Health

https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/conten...020/05/UVA-Model-Weekly-Report-2020-05-22.pdf

It is not even confirmed that they have R0 < 1.

Either Australia, NZ and others have been waaaaaaaaaay over cautious or the USA covid story is far far from over.

Or as is always a possibility, I have made a huge mistake somewhere. I hope I have overlooked something otherwise this does not look good.

 

[Smurf1976]

Either Australia, NZ and others have been waaaaaaaaaay over cautious or the USA covid story is far far from over.

I'm wondering about the longer term economic effects of this.

Anyone who has enough money such that work is optional tends to place considerable value on their personal health and safety. Not all but typically that is the case.

If someone's already "made it" in business or in areas such as sports or entertainment (or anything else which makes people rather wealthy) then rationally they'd be wondering what on earth they're doing continuing to live in the US given that there are other countries which seem far safer.

I'm wondering if we'll see a rise in wealthy immigrants to Australia and NZ?

 

[qldfrog]

I'm wondering about the longer term economic effects of this.

Anyone who has enough money such that work is optional tends to place considerable value on their personal health and safety. Not all but typically that is the case.

If someone's already "made it" in business or in areas such as sports or entertainment (or anything else which makes people rather wealthy) then rationally they'd be wondering what on earth they're doing continuing to live in the US given that there are other countries which seem far safer.

I'm wondering if we'll see a rise in wealthy immigrants to Australia and NZ?

Tourists maybe not immigrants as we have a punitive tax rate.they would be crazy to become resident for tax purpose

 

[fiftyeight]

I'm wondering about the longer term economic effects of this.

Anyone who has enough money such that work is optional tends to place considerable value on their personal health and safety. Not all but typically that is the case.

If someone's already "made it" in business or in areas such as sports or entertainment (or anything else which makes people rather wealthy) then rationally they'd be wondering what on earth they're doing continuing to live in the US given that there are other countries which seem far safer.

I'm wondering if we'll see a rise in wealthy immigrants to Australia and NZ?

They talk about this on the latest episode of the Eric Weinstein's The Portal with Balaji Srinivasan

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aH...EwjD-en92s_pAhXyzjgGHeSbDcIQieUEegQIAhAE&ep=6

 

[basilio]

The "Dossier". A world wide Murdoch push to shift the conversation on COVIOD 19.
The reality ?

Coronavirus 'dossier' was a basic timeline of facts handed out by US State Department with no new evidence

......In the middle of the US push, on May 2, the Saturday Telegraph published its assertions about the links between the lab and the pandemic, sourced to the so-called "western governments dossier".
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Despite all of the above, no evidence has been provided to date to back up assertions the virus leaked from the lab.
"It's likely that all governments during this phase have been trying to persuade media organisations of their world view, their policy positions, their perspective," said Professor Medcalf.
"I think the greater concern is that [the non-paper is] essentially a speculative document somehow dressed up to be a highly authoritative piece of intelligence, which from all appearances it doesn't seem to be."
"I think what has happened here is that a document of no intrinsic significance whatsoever has been inflated into an importance which it simply doesn't have," said head of The Australia Institute's International and Security Affairs program, Allan Behm.
The US Embassy declined to comment for this story as did the Telegraph journalist who wrote the articles, Sharri Markson.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...sier-came-out-of-us-state-department/12282994

 

[moXJO]

The "Dossier". A world wide Murdoch push to shift the conversation on COVIOD 19.
The reality ?

Coronavirus 'dossier' was a basic timeline of facts handed out by US State Department with no new evidence

......In the middle of the US push, on May 2, the Saturday Telegraph published its assertions about the links between the lab and the pandemic, sourced to the so-called "western governments dossier".
Download the ABC News app and subscribe to our range of news alerts for the latest on how the pandemic is impacting the world
Despite all of the above, no evidence has been provided to date to back up assertions the virus leaked from the lab.
"It's likely that all governments during this phase have been trying to persuade media organisations of their world view, their policy positions, their perspective," said Professor Medcalf.
"I think the greater concern is that [the non-paper is] essentially a speculative document somehow dressed up to be a highly authoritative piece of intelligence, which from all appearances it doesn't seem to be."
"I think what has happened here is that a document of no intrinsic significance whatsoever has been inflated into an importance which it simply doesn't have," said head of The Australia Institute's International and Security Affairs program, Allan Behm.
The US Embassy declined to comment for this story as did the Telegraph journalist who wrote the articles, Sharri Markson.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05...sier-came-out-of-us-state-department/12282994

There's no info it leaked because China won't let an investigation happen.

Meanwhile our own Professor Nikolai Petrovsky
is still open to the possibility of it being a lab leak. Along with a lot of other high profile experts. We simply don't know because no data came out of China except dodgy numbers.

The coronavirus that has become a world-wide pandemic may have been created in “cell-culture experiment” in a laboratory, according to prominent scientists who have conducted ground-breaking research into the origins of the virus. Flinders University Professor Nikolai Petrovsky’s has completed a scientific study, currently undergoing peer review, in conjunction with LaTrobe University in Victoria, which found COVID-19 was uniquely adapted for transmission to humans, far more than any other animal, including bats. Professor Petrovsky, from the College of Medicine and Public Health at Flinders University who has spent the past 20 years developing vaccines against pandemic influenza, Ebola and animal SARS, said this highly unusual finding left open the possibility that the virus leaked from a laboratory. “The two possibilities which I think are both still open is that it was a chance transmission of a virus from an as yet unidentified animal to human. The other possibility is that it was an accidental release of the virus from a laboratory,” he said. “Certainly we can’t exclude the possibility that this came from a laboratory experiment rather than from an animal. They are both open possibilities.” Professor Petrovsky, who is the Chairman and Research Director of Vaxine Pty Ltd, said COVID-19 has genetic elements similar to bat coronaviruses as well as other coronaviruses. The way coronavirus enters human cells is by binding to a protein on the surface of lung-cells called ACE2. The study showed the virus bound more tightly to human-ACE2 than to any of the other animals they tested. “It was like it was designed to infect humans,” he said. “One of the possibilities is that an animal host was infected by two coronaviruses at the same time and COVID-19 is the progeny of that interaction between the two viruses. “The same process can happen in a petri-dish. If you have cells in culture and you have human cells in that culture which the viruses are infecting, then if there are two viruses in that dish, they can swap genetic information and you can accidentally or deliberately create a whole third new virus out of that system. “In other words COVID-19 could have been created from that recombination event in an animal host or it could have occurred in a cell-culture experiment.” Professor Petrovsky was originally modelling the virus in January to prepare a vaccine candidate. He then turned his attention to “explore what animal species might have been involved in the transmission to humans” to understand the origins of the virus - and had a “surprising” result when none were well-adapted. “We found that the COVID-19 virus was particularly well-adapted to bind to human cells and that was far superior to its ability to bind to the cells of any other animal species which is quite unusual because typically when a virus is well-adapted to an animal and then it by chance crosses to a human, typically, you would expect it to have lower-binding to human cells than to the original host animal. We found the opposite so that was a big surprise,” he said. Scientists worldwide have, to date, overwhelmingly said the virus was more likely originated in a wet-market and was not created in a laboratory. Even the United States Office of National Intelligence ruled out COVID-19 being created in a laboratory. Asked why scientists have had this view, Professor Petrovsky said scientists “try not to be political” and do not want their research impacted adversely by tighter laboratory controls. “We just try to base our findings on facts rather than taking particular political positions but sometimes obviously the alternatives may have unintended consequences,” he said. “For instance, if it was to turn out that this virus may have come about because of an accidental lab release that would have implications for how we do viral research in laboratories all around the world which could make doing research much harder. “So I think the inclination of virus researchers would be to presume that it came from an animal until proven otherwise because that would have less ramifications for how we are able to do research in the future. The alternative obviously has quite major implications for science and science on viruses, not just obviously political ramifications which we’re all well aware of.” Professor Petrovsky said an inquiry needs to start straight away, not when the pandemic is finished. “The idea of putting it off to the pandemic is over, it would be a mistake,” he said. “I’m certainly very much in favour of a scientific investigation. It’s only objective should be to get to the bottom of how did this pandemic happen and how do we prevent a future pandemic…. not to have a witch-hunt.” Image: AP

 

[rederob]

There's no info it leaked because China won't let an investigation happen.

Meanwhile our own Professor Nikolai Petrovsky
is still open to the possibility of it being a lab leak. Along with a lot of other high profile experts. We simply don't know because no data came out of China except dodgy numbers.

China is allowing science to guide where the source may reside, so your comments continue to reflect the level of ignorance surrounding what occurred.
The idea that COV19 leaked from a Chinese lab has the same logical credibility as the tooth fairy, but that wold not be a good headline for the media.