Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[qldfrog]

Qld will see relaxation of lockdown distanciation rules on Friday it seems.
Not sure regulation is not just following usage
I live near a popular swimming hole, which now displays a proeminent closed sign in big red letters
Yesterday afternoon at 4pm, well past peak useage time, there were still 27 cars parked bumper to bumper along the road near the hole.
Acces paths are narrow and there is mostly one attraction so people are not spread in the mountains
In many way, it seems we are self inflicting ourselves a punition where thé guilty still goes scotch free while the innocent will be sentenced to death.
I am not going to discuss the regulation/laws needs or not, but fact is many here do not give a hoot
Have we just been lucky?

 

[noirua]

Wuhan hospitals clear all COVID-19 cases
26 April 2020
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-04/26/c_139009753.htm

 

[noirua]

Dots are getting closer together.

"A leading Russian microbiologist has claimed the coronavirus is the result of Wuhan scientists doing 'absolutely crazy things' in their laboratory.

World renowned expert Professor Petr Chumakov claimed their aim was to study the pathogenicity of the virus and not 'with malicious intent' to deliberately create a manmade killer."

His words are carefully crafted.

This is the reason why the CCP do not want an international investigation into this virus.

China's new draft law revision proposes strengthening medical waste management
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-04/26/c_139009810.htm
BEIJING, April 26 (Xinhua) -- A new draft law revision under Chinese lawmakers' consideration has proposed strengthening the management of medical waste, especially medical waste management work in handling major infectious disease epidemics.

 

[sptrawler]

China's new draft law revision proposes strengthening medical waste management
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-04/26/c_139009810.htm
BEIJING, April 26 (Xinhua) -- A new draft law revision under Chinese lawmakers' consideration has proposed strengthening the management of medical waste, especially medical waste management work in handling major infectious disease epidemics.

What a classic.
You must not bypass the incinerator with anything, dead or alive.

 

[basilio]

Nice story on how virologists identified and photographed the COVID 19 virus.

Fighting the invisible enemy
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/putting-the-coronavirus-under-the-microscope/12158048?nw=0

 

[dutchie]

China's man in Canberra has unmasked the regime's true face

Ambassador Cheng Jingye has done Australia a great service. He has taken off the mask.

China's ambassador has shown us the true face of the Chinese government's feeling for Australia.

The Chinese Communist Party for years has been working systematically to undermine Australia's sovereignty. To "take over" our political system, in the words of Australia's former national security adviser and ASIO chief, Duncan Lewis.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/chi...d-the-regime-s-true-face-20200427-p54nhj.html

 

[rederob]

China's man in Canberra has unmasked the regime's true face

Ambassador Cheng Jingye has done Australia a great service. He has taken off the mask.

China's ambassador has shown us the true face of the Chinese government's feeling for Australia.

The Chinese Communist Party for years has been working systematically to undermine Australia's sovereignty. To "take over" our political system, in the words of Australia's former national security adviser and ASIO chief, Duncan Lewis.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/chi...d-the-regime-s-true-face-20200427-p54nhj.html

Sean Hannity could have scripted Harcher’s rant.
Opinions of Sinophobes are likened exactly to Joe McCarthy’s deeds.
At least you are giving Muslims a break from your bigotry.

 

[SirRumpole]

Sean Hannity could have scripted Harcher’s rant.
Opinions of Sinophobes are likened exactly to Joe McCarthy’s deeds.
At least you are giving Muslims a break from your bigotry.

So it's Sino-phobia to want to know the cause of the biggest non-conflict social, medical and economic upheaval in 100 years ?

What rubbish Rob.

It's obvious China has something to hide and are acting like gangsters as Hartcher said, otherwise they would cooperate with an open enquiry.

Other nations are now busy dealing with all the sick and dead, but once the pandemic is over there will be widespread resentment at not only the pandemic itself but China's actions in trying to cover up the truth.

 

[joeno]

So it's Sino-phobia to want to know the cause of the biggest non-conflict social, medical and economic upheaval in 100 years ?

What rubbish Rob.

It's obvious China has something to hide and are acting like gangsters as Hartcher said, otherwise they would cooperate with an open enquiry.

Other nations are now busy dealing with all the sick and dead, but once the pandemic is over there will be widespread resentment at not only the pandemic itself but China's actions in trying to cover up the truth.

Cover up what truth? You mean the US covering up "mysterious sicknesses" in Hawaii back in November/December 2019 before departing to Wuhan for the military games. That til this very day they are covering up how many people are infected in Hawaii?

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020...y-wont-say-how-many-covid-19-cases-in-hawaii/

Do you really think by repeating a tired phrase you sound compelling each time you say it.

I have one simple question... if we hold China responsible for this coronavirus, can we also hold US responsible for the economic fallout the GFC had on the world in 2009? I'm waiting to hear you perform some mental gymnastics on this one.

Will accept whatever bull**** conspiracy theories you have.

 

[rederob]

So it's Sino-phobia to want to know the cause of the biggest non-conflict social, medical and economic upheaval in 100 years ?

It was a novel coronavirus of zoonotic nature, and it has no boundaries.

What rubbish Rob.

You are god at saying that, yet never can show it.

It's obvious China has something to hide and are acting like gangsters as Hartcher said, otherwise they would cooperate with an open enquiry.

Neither you nor anyone else has or can show it is "obvious" and that is why this is a classic case of Sinophobia. It's exactly how McCarthyism prospered - misinformation, blame and fear.

Other nations are now busy dealing with all the sick and dead, but once the pandemic is over there will be widespread resentment at not only the pandemic itself but China's actions in trying to cover up the truth.

Yet these actions were never previously taken when pandemics occurred, were they! What makes this different is Sinophobia, pure and simple.

The lack of logic shown by Sinophobes is breathtaking.
An investigation has and will still discover ... a virus!
Already hundreds of scientific papers - at my last count it was over 400 - examine it's origins and spread. True, most are written in Chinese because a province of almost 60 million people was in lockdown for 3 months. Despite this, conspiracy theories in Western media gather traction every day.
The WHO has no evidence of lies or a coverup, nor of obstruction, from China. However, to give credence to Sinophobes, the WHO is now part of the problem.
Really!

In the Folau thread I asked you time and again to offer evidence, and you came back with opinion after opinion. I suspect you will do that here. You will probably say you can't get evidence because of Catch 22. What you are really saying is that you do not trust the thousands of pages of data and science already available and continuing to be written because it always come from a Chinese base.
If this was MERS (35% fatality rate) you could probably blame the Muslims, but after 8 years be none the wiser as to clear origin.
And if it was the swine flu then you would need to blame the Mexicans (who actually acted decisively to contain it - ring any bells?).

 

[SirRumpole]

Cut the crap rob.

Just hold an independent enquiry and find the TRUTH.

That's all.

 

[rederob]

Cut the crap rob.

Just hold an independent enquiry and find the TRUTH.

That's all.

That was done by the WHO, and a lot more is continuing to be done.
How about explaining what was "obvious" to you as, if it were so, then the truth must already be known.

 

[moXJO]

That was done by the WHO, and a lot more is continuing to be done.
How about explaining what was "obvious" to you as, if it were so, then the truth must already be known.

What a lot of crap.

 

[moXJO]

That was done by the WHO, and a lot more is continuing to be done.
How about explaining what was "obvious" to you as, if it were so, then the truth must already be known.

Models from numerous locations show the death rate was higher.
First recorded human to human transmission week or more before they let on.
Doctors were silenced.
Data scrubbed.
Refusal to let anyone near the site of infection at the crucial time.
WHO relied on bogus data.
WHO did not get on the ground till weeks after

 

[Humid]

It was a novel coronavirus of zoonotic nature, and it has no boundaries.
You are god at saying that, yet never can show it.
Neither you nor anyone else has or can show it is "obvious" and that is why this is a classic case of Sinophobia. It's exactly how McCarthyism prospered - misinformation, blame and fear.
Yet these actions were never previously taken when pandemics occurred, were they! What makes this different is Sinophobia, pure and simple.

The lack of logic shown by Sinophobes is breathtaking.
An investigation has and will still discover ... a virus!
Already hundreds of scientific papers - at my last count it was over 400 - examine it's origins and spread. True, most are written in Chinese because a province of almost 60 million people was in lockdown for 3 months. Despite this, conspiracy theories in Western media gather traction every day.
The WHO has no evidence of lies or a coverup, nor of obstruction, from China. However, to give credence to Sinophobes, the WHO is now part of the problem.
Really!

In the Folau thread I asked you time and again to offer evidence, and you came back with opinion after opinion. I suspect you will do that here. You will probably say you can't get evidence because of Catch 22. What you are really saying is that you do not trust the thousands of pages of data and science already available and continuing to be written because it always come from a Chinese base.
If this was MERS (35% fatality rate) you could probably blame the Muslims, but after 8 years be none the wiser as to clear origin.
And if it was the swine flu then you would need to blame the Mexicans (who actually acted decisively to contain it - ring any bells?).

Your link on the swine flu in Mexico shows Mt Sinai research will they be given the same access to China?

 

[sptrawler]

Cut the crap rob.

Just hold an independent enquiry and find the TRUTH.

That's all.

There is one thing for sure, if the facts were clear, no one would be calling for in investigation.
It is certainly causing enough of a financial impact, to demand some sort of definitive answer, we really don't want this happening every couple of years if we can avoid it.

 

[rederob]

Your link on the swine flu in Mexico shows Mt Sinai research will they be given the same access to China?

Pigs do not fly!
And that's a serious response to your question as the available evidence links genetically to bats. There are dozens of papers that address this, so Mt Sinai might not be interested.
That said, the real issue relates to pinpointing the intermediate host. Should there be a second wave, that source may be easier to find.

 

[rederob]

There is one thing for sure, if the facts were clear, no one would be calling for in investigation.

No logic to that comment.
The WHO have detailed the medical history, and there are now hundreds of papers addressing virology.
Those calling for an investigation want to apportion blame.
If there are serious about an investigation over and above what is now known, there is an international process which nations can follow. The USA and others were given short shrift from most European nations when they floated the idea.

It is certainly causing enough of a financial impact, to demand some sort of definitive answer, we really don't want this happening every couple of years if we can avoid it.

Its a coronavirus.
All viruses mutate.
All living creatures mutate.
Mutation is an evolutionary principle.
What exactly do you want an answer to?

 

[wayneL]

I have to admire the China shill's ability to argue bullsh£t. It's totally transparent, intellectually and ideologically corrupt, not to mention totally offensive to Western liberal ideals, but A for effort... and treason.

 

[SirRumpole]

What exactly do you want an answer to?

Whether the wet markets were involved and are they a danger to world health.

If they are then China needs to get rid of them and provide decent food for it's people. (Like Aussie beef and grain).