Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[qldfrog]

Something no one wants ti hear except smokers, it seems smokers are well underrepresented in people badly affected by the virus
Chinese doctors were troubled by this, French study having the same unexpected conclusion bafling the researchers.
Maybe weak smokers are dead already?
Anyway another unwanted fact not PC and , as a non smoker, not a good news
Let you google this if interested, the article was in French

 

[rederob]

Something no one wants ti hear except smokers, it seems smokers are well underrepresented in people badly affected by the virus
Chinese doctors were troubled by this, French study having the same unexpected conclusion bafling the researchers.

According to available research and existing data, that is a false claim.

 

[hja]

Something no one wants ti hear except smokers, it seems smokers are well underrepresented in people badly affected by the virus
Chinese doctors were troubled by this, French study having the same unexpected conclusion bafling the researchers.
Maybe weak smokers are dead already?
Anyway another unwanted fact not PC and , as a non smoker, not a good news
Let you google this if interested, the article was in French

I also heard in the French news of the study that smokers were less affected by coronas virus because of the nicotine in cigarette. So there's a bit of contradiction.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Results just released regarding the incidence of corona virus amongst the crew of the US aircraft carrier, Theodore Roosevelt, show the extent of the problem. The entire crew of 4,800 was tested and revealed 600 cases with 60% of these entirely asymptomatic. If testing had been confined to symptomatic cases, 360 infected sailors would have been free to infect others.

If this level of asymptomatic infectiveness is applied to Australia, the actual number of infected people would be at least 2.5 times the reported number. The difficulty in pinning down these numbers is one reason for the lockdown – to prevent the unknown carriers spreading it further.

 

[bellenuit]

Trump's rhetoric about a China virus has carried through to PM Morrison who now calls for a shake-up of the WHO based on sheer ignorance of its role. It's classic dog whistling.
The "W" in WHO stand for world and relies on members nations from within the United Nations to decide its role rather than sycophants.
Whichever way much of the western world wants to cut it, they failed to take the harsh measures China took wrt to Wuhan and now want to indulge in a blame game so they can hide their failings.

Dream on CCP troll. Calling out the CCP is not Sinophobia. Yes, of course the rest of the world didn't take China's harsh measures. No other country (except for perhaps Iran and a handful of autocratic regimes) imprisoned doctors who tried to alert authorities about the virus or made some others apparently disappear. No other country condemned others from banning travel when they knew the seriousness of the virus and then hid behind the cloak of the statements from their WHO puppets. No other country is preventing independent scrutiny of the origins of the virus.

Your constant attacking of CCP detractors as Sinophobes shows exactly where you stand. When you now have Left leaning newspapers like this one, the New York Times, and others like the Guardian exposing what Xi and his henchmen are up to and you still come out to defend him.....

 

[rederob]

Dream on CCP troll. Calling out the CCP is not Sinophobia.

It's exactly that and you are mostly factless broken record.
Doctors were not imprisoned as you claim.
Your claim of "condemnation" is ridiculous as Chinese officials said this: " We urge the Australian side to assess objectively and rationally the prevention and control measures taken by the Chinese side and the actual risk faced by Australian side, respect WHO’s professional recommendations, and lift the restrictions as early as possible."
The seriousness of this disease was not determined to be greater than SARS at that stage, so you are relying on hindsight to inflate you rubbish.
Your claim that China is preventing independent scrutiny is total Bollocks. China has been working cooperatively with other nations on many issues relating to this virus and many papers are now available. Most research to date is from Chinese speakers for the obvious reason that most records are in that language.

 

[bellenuit]

It's exactly that and you are mostly factless broken record.
Doctors were not imprisoned as you claim.
Your claim of "condemnation" is ridiculous as Chinese officials said this: " We urge the Australian side to assess objectively and rationally the prevention and control measures taken by the Chinese side and the actual risk faced by Australian side, respect WHO’s professional recommendations, and lift the restrictions as early as possible."
The seriousness of this disease was not determined to be greater than SARS at that stage, so you are relying on hindsight to inflate you rubbish.
Your claim that China is preventing independent scrutiny is total Bollocks. China has been working cooperatively with other nations on many issues relating to this virus and many papers are now available. Most research to date is from Chinese speakers for the obvious reason that most records are in that language.

Stop regurgitating CCP propaganda. We all know what happened.

 

[satanoperca]

It's exactly that and you are mostly factless broken record.
Doctors were not imprisoned as you claim.
Your claim of "condemnation" is ridiculous as Chinese officials said this: " We urge the Australian side to assess objectively and rationally the prevention and control measures taken by the Chinese side and the actual risk faced by Australian side, respect WHO’s professional recommendations, and lift the restrictions as early as possible."
The seriousness of this disease was not determined to be greater than SARS at that stage, so you are relying on hindsight to inflate you rubbish.
Your claim that China is preventing independent scrutiny is total Bollocks. China has been working cooperatively with other nations on many issues relating to this virus and many papers are now available. Most research to date is from Chinese speakers for the obvious reason that most records are in that language.

As I assume Redrob cannot read this, as he simply places anyone on ignore that presents a different view on the situation to his understanding, hiding behind a keyboard.

I say to you sir, bull****, the CCP have been quite clear that they will not partake or be involved in an international investigation of the origins of this virus. (Wonder why, they could not have anything to hide)

I somehow feel, Redrob has never spent any time in other countries, but prefers to read his facts, than live them.

Again, Mr Redrob, can you provide any evidence that this came from a wet market?

 

[rederob]

Stop regurgitating CCP propaganda. We all know hat happened.

Sadly, you make up what you want to believe, and most of your claims are demonstrably false.

 

[satanoperca]

His reply to Bellenuit, is case in point.

 

[sptrawler]

Results just released regarding the incidence of corona virus amongst the crew of the US aircraft carrier, Theodore Roosevelt, show the extent of the problem. The entire crew of 4,800 was tested and revealed 600 cases with 60% of these entirely asymptomatic. If testing had been confined to symptomatic cases, 360 infected sailors would have been free to infect others.

If this level of asymptomatic infectiveness is applied to Australia, the actual number of infected people would be at least 2.5 times the reported number. The difficulty in pinning down these numbers is one reason for the lockdown – to prevent the unknown carriers spreading it further.

The problem with social distancing and ventilation transmission onboard ships, would appear to be a contributing factor that isn't present on land, that may skew the infection rate somewhat?

 

[sptrawler]

Mark McGowan shot down one of the reporters at his press conference today, he was being pressed as to when the rules were going to be relaxed.
He said it was only a couple of weeks ago, I was being shouted at to invoke a complete lockdown, now everyone is asking when am I going to relax the measures we have taken.
He said when we get the go ahead from the medical experts, then we will consider relaxing the rules, not untill.

It is great to see a united front against media pressure IMO.

McGowan also introduced residential rental assistance today.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04...ords-rental-relief-package-announced/12176888

 

[SirRumpole]

It seems to me that either way; ie whether the virus came out of the wet markets or a lab, China is not going to allow a full investigation into the matter, so the question then is what do other countries do about it ?

Isolate China economically which will hurt us more than it does them, require all people coming from China to quarantine for two weeks, which will also kill the education and tourism market , throw them out of the WHO or form an equivalent body consisting only of nations who "play the game", or something else ?

It's a pretty sticky situation because there is a massive elephant in the world that doesn't like being told what to do and I don't see it all ending well or soon.

 

[satanoperca]

It seems to me that either way; ie whether the virus came out of the wet markets or a lab, China is not going to allow a full investigation into the matter, so the question then is what do other countries do about it ?

Countries have the right but not the authority to request action.

Our country would not be in the sh---t, if they controlled the price of one basic need, property, this situation might have been a little easier to deal with.

 

[bellenuit]

Isolate China economically which will hurt us more than it does them, require all people coming from China to quarantine for two weeks, which will also kill the education and tourism market , throw them out of the WHO or form an equivalent body consisting only of nations who "play the game", or something else ?

Not isolate them, but gradually phase out our dependence on them. Encourage manufacturing at home, even if it costs more and if it costs too much more, perhaps shift some of the business to countries like Vietnam, Thailand and India. That will help them develop and over time maybe, with the help of the West, provide a counterbalance to China.

We should still engage with the Chinese people as much as possible, as it is Xi and the CCP that are at fault. The CCP is only in power without major dissent so long as the economy is running well and the people feel better off. If Xi is seen as a liability, then attitudes might change. Perhaps not the overthrow of the CCP, but maybe a new leader that is more liberal minded like some of the previous.

WHO seems to be fine at ground level, but it is a few at the top that are beholden to the CCP. Maybe force through new rules given the WHO power to investigate in any member country without censorship or repression. If people want the US to keep paying a large portion of the WHO bills (though somewhat delinquent) then they should also have a commensurate vote in the WHO.

 

[bellenuit]

I say to you sir, bull****, the CCP have been quite clear that they will not partake or be involved in an international investigation of the origins of this virus.

Yes, this was made clear last week.

Do you think his moniker is significant: REDEROB

 

[SirRumpole]

If Xi is seen as a liability, then attitudes might change. Perhaps not the overthrow of the CCP, but maybe a new leader that is more liberal minded like some of the previous.

I think it's really the PLA that run the country, the civilians are just there as a "plausible" front.

I wouldn't bank on more liberality any time soon.

 

[dutchie]

China lied, people died.
W.H.O. failed, people died.

 

[dutchie]

Trump's rhetoric about a China virus has carried through to PM Morrison who now calls for a shake-up of the WHO based on sheer ignorance of its role. It's classic dog whistling.
The "W" in WHO stand for world and relies on members nations from within the United Nations to decide its role rather than sycophants.
Whichever way much of the western world wants to cut it, they failed to take the harsh measures China took wrt to Wuhan and now want to indulge in a blame game so they can hide their failings.

So what you are saying is that the West is not allowed to hide its failings, but China and WHO are allowed to hide their failings.

 

[moXJO]

I think the best solution was to let WHO inspectors into a country similar to the nuke inspectors.
Not let countries dictate what info and when they can send people in.