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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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This has been a facts based wake up call, manufacturing was outsourced originally to bring third world countries out of poverty, what China has proved is that it is possible to do this.
What it also shows is that it can happen so quickly, that before you know it they are actually more first world than you and could actually buy you out.
You become more dependent on them than they are on you.
We have very much, within a 50 year timespan had a role reversal.
The problem is the media who are dependent on advertising money, naturally want to support those who pay for the advertising and those who advertise want to support who is making their product.
And as you see on the forum, many believe everything the media says.
The government's know exactly what the problem is and that is why Morrison has asked unions and business to come up with an answer.
To bring manufacturing back will mean a lot of compromise on both parties, profits, conditions, renumeration and dividends will all have to be in play, to achieve an outcome.
Interesting times.
Just my opinion.
 
SirRumpole said:
I thought the tracking app was a good idea.

Not any more.

Why not give the contract to an Australian company ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04...services-for-coronavirus-tracing-app/12176682
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and from that article...
"The ABC has also confirmed the tender was a limited, invitation-only opportunity initially run by the Department of Home Affairs, which is principally responsible for border protection and national security."
The result is hardly a Home Affair, :banghead: I wonder if many Aus companies were invited.
 
Dots are getting closer together.

"A leading Russian microbiologist has claimed the coronavirus is the result of Wuhan scientists doing 'absolutely crazy things' in their laboratory.

World renowned expert Professor Petr Chumakov claimed their aim was to study the pathogenicity of the virus and not 'with malicious intent' to deliberately create a manmade killer."

His words are carefully crafted.

This is the reason why the CCP do not want an international investigation into this virus.
 
dutchie said:
So what you are saying is that the West is not allowed to hide its failings, but China and WHO are allowed to hide their failings.
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No.
You and others make regular claims they cannot show to be evident. Relying on gutter journalism to post Sinophobic commentary is not helpful.
Much of SE Asia got their response to this virus close to tight given how much was not known at the time. Deborah Birx at the President's White House briefing yesterday admitted there were things about this virus which were not understood until late February or March when confronted with a question about "infection rates."
The China blame game is a great distraction, but a lot has come about as a result of the benefit of hindsight and relying on poor journalism.
As I have said a number of times in relation to human-to-human transmission as an example, it was admitted by the Chinese as "possible" prior to the WHO tweet of 14 January that was controversial. However, it took another week for the Chinese to be near certain it was occurring. There is also a massive disconnect between what the WHO convey to infectious disease experts and how lay people translate this information.
Disease experts all knew from the outset that this novel corona virus was SARS-like and therefore had the potential to spread from human to human. To imagine this knowledge would not be conveyed to decision makers is inconceivable.
Whether or not you like what China did with respect to Wuhan, the fact is that it had never been done before at such scale and as rapidly, and it worked. You should reflect on the lethargy of the USA in respect of the swine flu pandemic if you want to see how poorly things have been done in the past, including how data has been "manipulated."
In terms of comparisons, a number of Wuhan's doctors were definitely made to sign "non disclosure agreements" after breaching their obligations in using social media (they were not jailed or killed off). Trump does not tolerate dissent and removes key players and experts at his whim, as again occurred a few days ago.
 
Rederrob (aka CCP), can you provide any evidence that this virus came from bats?

So far, I cannot find any credible evidence, ie 99.5% probability that it jumped from bats to humans without some sort of human intervention.
 
IFocus said:
You would have to be f***ing stupid awarding that contract, most were paranoid beforehand even though it was a game changer for recovery if it was taken up, now no hope IMHO.
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I will respond to this one but I agree with the others as well.............

F..k.ng unbelievable, how incredibly stupid is this
 
IFocus said:
You would have to be f***ing stupid awarding that contract, most were paranoid beforehand even though it was a game changer for recovery if it was taken up, now no hope IMHO.
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Having at times witnessed the sorts of behaviours that such lucrative government contracts attract, this turn of events comes as no great surprise.

I'd even be willing to go so far as suggesting, that somebody, involved in the tender process, very likely received one, or more, expensive "gift/s" (or perhaps offers of handsomely remunerated future employment).
 
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UK removes China from official coronavirus deaths comparison after ‘cover-up’ claims and disbelief at low figures​


The government has removed China from graphs it uses to compare the UK's coronavirus deaths to those elsewhere amid accusations the country has covered up the true impact of the pandemic. ​


The official toll in China, where the virus first broke out in December, currently stands at 4,632, a fraction of those registered across Europe and the United States.

A graph shown at a Downing Street press briefing on Wednesday compared the death tolls of nine countries - the UK, the US, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Sweden, South Korea, and China - over time.

On the updated graph shown on Thursday, China had been removed.

China had previously been among those countries - Germany, Sweden, and South Korea - whose death tolls plateaued early on in the outbreak and have remained below 5,000.

Photos have also showed huge stacks of urns being delivered to funeral homes and long queues of people waiting outside to collect their loved ones' remains.

Officials in Wuhan, the epicentre of the original outbreak, last week revised the city's toll up by 1,290 in a single day, bringing the total to 3,869.

The city cited incorrect reporting by overstretched hospitals as the reason for the error.

Some estimates have placed the city's true toll since the start of the pandemic as high as 42,000.

Speaking to Radio Free Asia, a number of Wuhan residents cast doubt on the official toll.

“It can’t be right because the incinerators have been working round the clock, so how can so few people have died?” one said.​


 
DB008 said:
UK removes China from official coronavirus deaths comparison after ‘cover-up’ claims and disbelief at low figures​


The government has removed China from graphs it uses to compare the UK's coronavirus deaths to those elsewhere amid accusations the country has covered up the true impact of the pandemic. ​


The official toll in China, where the virus first broke out in December, currently stands at 4,632, a fraction of those registered across Europe and the United States.

A graph shown at a Downing Street press briefing on Wednesday compared the death tolls of nine countries - the UK, the US, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Sweden, South Korea, and China - over time.

On the updated graph shown on Thursday, China had been removed.

China had previously been among those countries - Germany, Sweden, and South Korea - whose death tolls plateaued early on in the outbreak and have remained below 5,000.

Photos have also showed huge stacks of urns being delivered to funeral homes and long queues of people waiting outside to collect their loved ones' remains.

Officials in Wuhan, the epicentre of the original outbreak, last week revised the city's toll up by 1,290 in a single day, bringing the total to 3,869.

The city cited incorrect reporting by overstretched hospitals as the reason for the error.

Some estimates have placed the city's true toll since the start of the pandemic as high as 42,000.

Speaking to Radio Free Asia, a number of Wuhan residents cast doubt on the official toll.

“It can’t be right because the incinerators have been working round the clock, so how can so few people have died?” one said.​


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Sinophobia is rife here.
Maybe they should also remove Australia and Germany from their graphs, because their rates are even lower than China's. Many other countries would also meet the criteria, but let's not mention them either!
 
Interesting read

...what can we learn from the outbreaks of the past? What clues do they leave us about how COVID-19 will end? And is humanity really getting better at handling infectious disease?
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/spec...es-this-one-compare-20200415-p54k31.html?btis

How did past pandemics end?
Most diseases, once loose, tend to linger in some form in humans. But there are two main ways a pandemic wave comes to an end, says Nobel Prize-winning immunologist Professor Peter Doherty. The old road of early history saw infections burn out once enough people had either died or recovered with natural immunity then encoded into their cells. The other way is intervention – quarantine and, today, medicine.
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Of course, there is the more terrifying prospect that a vaccine doesn’t work or the pathogen mutates to evade our immunity, evolving and lingering like seasonal flu, Doherty admits. Most researchers, Doherty among them, think it very unlikely the virus will morph into something nastier – by its very nature, a virus wants to spread rather than kill and coronaviruses are much more stable than the wildly unpredictable genetic code of influenza. Usually, a virus will beef up its potency to jump across species lines – say, from civet to human. Over time circulating in a new population they tend to lose more of their bite – as has already happened with the four most common coronaviruses. Today they give humans only mild colds and coughs.

But, as Doherty suggests, "When they first jumped [from animals] into people they probably hit us just as hard as this."
 
SirRumpole said:
I thought the tracking app was a good idea.

Not any more.

Why not give the contract to an Australian company ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04...services-for-coronavirus-tracing-app/12176682
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Isn't it weird how everything is going along fine, smooth as butter, then some dick does something like this.
I mean do they think it is smart? Is it the cheapest tender? What comes into their heads?
It isn't as though they haven't thrown the kitchen sink at the virus, now they want to save $20 on cloud storage, weird.
 
sptrawler said:
Isn't it weird how everything is going along fine, smooth as butter, then some dick does something like this.
I mean do they think it is smart? Is it the cheapest tender? What comes into their heads?
It isn't as though they haven't thrown the kitchen sink at the virus, now they want to save $20 on cloud storage, weird.
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I think the answer has already been said.

Greasing of palms ?
 
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