Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[sptrawler]

W.A today hit 55% double vaccinated.

 

[wayneL]

Sweden for the win!

Proof nation’s massive Covid risk worked

As most of the world ground to a halt as the deadly Covid-19 pandemic took hold, Sweden’s defiant stance left many stunned.

www.news.com.au

 

[rederob]

Sweden for the win!

Proof nation’s massive Covid risk worked

As most of the world ground to a halt as the deadly Covid-19 pandemic took hold, Sweden’s defiant stance left many stunned.

www.news.com.au

Sweden was far and away the worst of the Scandinavian countries in terms of deaths per million, with 3 times more dead than Denmark, 7 times more than Finland, and nearly 9 times more than Norway:

Even India and Indonesia had lesser death rates.
China, with the hardest lockdowns of all, along with technological tracking and mass testing strategies, proved the value of firm containment measures.
Little wonder that Murdoch's media is treated more like an entertainment medium.

 

[moXJO]

Sweden was far and away the worst of the Scandinavian countries in terms of deaths per million, with 3 times more dead than Denmark, 7 times more than Finland, and nearly 9 times more than Norway:
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Even India and Indonesia had lesser death rates.
China, with the hardest lockdowns of all, along with technological tracking and mass testing strategies, proved the value of firm containment measures.
Little wonder that Murdoch's media is treated more like an entertainment medium.

China figures are solid and honest.

 

[mullokintyre]

At last, some potential good news.
From Todays Oz

A scientific breakthrough could lead to variant-proof Covid-19 vaccines that protect against an array of coronaviruses including those responsible for common colds, according to British research.
The inoculation could give longlasting protection, including from future Covid-19 like infections that spread from animals to humans.

The study looked at UK National Health Service workers who were at a high risk of infection during the early part of the pandemic but had not fallen ill and developed no protective antibodies.
The researchers found that, in fact, they had been infected but they were protected by their Tcells, another aspect of their immune systems, which can destroy infected cells.

A rapid Tcell response appears to have been ready and waiting because these people had been recently exposed to other coronaviruses, which cause about one in 10 common colds.
Importantly, the work suggests that any coronavirus would have met with the same potent immune response.

“Previous common cold exposure may have given these individuals a head start against the virus, tipping the balance in favour of their immune system eliminating the virus before it could start to replicate,” said Leo Swadling of University College London, who led the research.

The research promises to be valuable for vaccines because it found that the Tcells had recognised a set of proteins inside the Covid virus that allow it to multiply.

These proteins are known as the replication-transcription complex and are virtually identical across all types of coronavirus. They do not seem to mutate to the same degree as the spike proteins targeted by the vaccines being used in the UK.

That could mean that a vaccine designed around an RTC protein could, in theory, be effective against all known coronaviruses.

“These proteins – required for the earliest stage of the virus’s life cycle as soon as it enters a cell – are common to all coronaviruses and remain ‘highly conserved’, so are unlikely to change or mutate,” said Mala Maini of UCL, senior author of the research.

“A vaccine that can induce Tcells to recognise and target infected cells expressing these proteins … may have the added benefit that they also recognise other coronaviruses that currently infect humans or that could in the future.”

Scientists say that an mRNA vaccine could be designed in days to prompt the body to make the RTC protein.

The researchers estimate that about 10-15 per cent of the population might have had the pre-existing immunity to the Covid virus.

It would have relied on them having been exposed to another coronavirus recently and probably on them having an immune system with certain genetic features.

Their Tcells could fight off the virus in the very earliest stages of infection.

This meant that these people had “abortive infections” – where the virus failed to gain a foothold and was cleared so quickly that antibodies were not needed.

The findings may explain scenarios where one person in a household seemed to stay Covid-free while everybody around them fell ill.

The vaccines used at present in the UK focus on a different part of the virus, the so-called spike protein that sticks out of its surface. The issue here is that mutations can change the shape of the spike. This, in turn, may lessen the protection offered by the jabs.

Professor Maini believes that new vaccines could be developed that combine the spike and RTC protein, to drive strong production of antibodies and Tcells.

Mick

 

[basilio]

As Australia enjoys its COVID freedom the challenge of COVID getting away again can't be ignored.
Unfortunately there are a number of countries that have seen infections and severe illnesses/death skyrocket since opening their economies. They are now having to re introduce restrictions .

The good news for Australia is that our level of vaccination seems to be much higher than these countries. The infections, particularly teh severe ones are concentrated in unvaccinated people.

Denmark, Norway, Germany. Czech Republic are amongst these countries.

Countries hailed as COVID-19 success stories are now reimposing restrictions

A growing number of countries that had lifted COVID-19 restrictions are now reimposing them as cases surge.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[DB008]

I have a contrarian viewpoint on this whole Covid-19 situation now - totally unorthodox. Get your jabs, then go and get Delta on purpose and be done with it. If given that option, l'd do it right now. But we are not allowed to talk about natural immunity. It's banned. Instead of vaccinated or unvaccinated, it should be, do you have immunity or not?

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Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus​

breakthrough infections​

Conclusions - This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.​

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1​

It's also very, very, very interesting how the media was going bananas on Florida and De Santis (and were blaming him) only a few months ago, now Florida has one of the lowest Covid per capita cases in the USA, but now the media is silent. LOL. Florida has taken a 'feel sick, go and get treatment ASAP, which includes the use of monoclonal antibodies' (which Joe Rogan was mocked for, but Fauchi endorsed)


What happened to Sweden?
What about Norway?
What about Holland?

Norway and Holland opened up, now they are going back into lockdown/reinstating social distancing measure.

Maybe Nils Anders Tegnell was right all along...???

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[mullokintyre]

C'mon DB, ya can't let statistics get in the way of the meme.
Its tha vibe ya know.
Mick

 

[wayneL]

Central banks coup d'etat?

 

[mullokintyre]

Brett Sutton has unloaded on the Federal Government for its road map out of Covid.
From The Australian

Victoria’s chief health officer has criticised the federal road map for living with Covid, saying it contains “no explicit recovery phase” and fails to address the fallout of the pandemic of economic disadvantage, ongoing mental health impacts, health system backlog and the burden of long Covid.

“The continuing mental health effects of disruptions to life during 2020 and 2021 are already being seen in the health system, and, as with natural disasters, they will need to be managed for years, not weeks.”
The article names deferred care including elective surgery cancellations and postponed screening procedures as one of the major burdens on the health system in the recovery phase, together with dealing with the likely long-term effects of the disease on cardiac and respiratory function in sufferers.

And why is there deferred care, elective surgery cancellations and postponed screening?
Because Sutton, in his capacity as CHO, closed it all down.
it was his health advice that allowed Genghis Dan to enforce lockdowns, bring on curfews, not once but six times.
It was his advice that allowed Dan to close down the construction industry and all hell broke loose.
So a problem that is largely of his making, is now the a problem of the feds, and their road map is all wrong.
The states shut up shop then demand that the feds pay the cost via job keeper, etc.
Wouldn't mind betting that Sutton will have a career in politics coming up soon.
Mick

 

[wayneL]

Thank God. This will save me having to check their Vax status before they come on my property to save my house, sheds and livestock.

FFS

 

[bellenuit]

Thank God. This will save me having to check their Vax status before they come on my property to save my house, sheds and livestock.

FFS

Just thinking of yourself? No concern for the safety of the volunteers?

If they have to attend a person's property, then they are less likely, as we know, to transmit COVID than if they were not vaccinated. That's only half the story. But what about these brave volunteer heroes themselves. They will attend properties and rescue anyone whether that person is vaccinated or not, putting themselves at additional risk. We know many unvaccinated are a selfish lot more concerned about their so called rights than the safety of others. Do you think such self-centred "I'm all right Jacks" will refrain from calling fire services because they may expose these volunteers to unnecessary risks? I doubt it very much. At least the volunteers being vaccinated gives them more protection from these types of people.

 

[mullokintyre]

When ya house is burning down, the last thing ya gunna worry about is whether the firefighters are vaxed or not.
Just sayin.
Mick

 

[moXJO]

Just thinking of yourself? No concern for the safety of the volunteers?

If they have to attend a person's property, then they are less likely, as we know, to transmit COVID than if they were not vaccinated. That's only half the story. But what about these brave volunteer heroes themselves. They will attend properties and rescue anyone whether that person is vaccinated or not, putting themselves at additional risk. We know many unvaccinated are a selfish lot more concerned about their so called rights than the safety of others. Do you think such self-centred "I'm all right Jacks" will refrain from calling fire services because they may expose these volunteers to unnecessary risks? I doubt it very much. At least the volunteers being vaccinated gives them more protection from these types of people.

Seriously?
This is where we are at?

 

[moXJO]

We know many unvaccinated are a selfish lot more concerned about their so called rights than the safety of others. Do you think such self-centred "I'm all right Jacks" will refrain from calling fire services because they may expose these volunteers to unnecessary risks? I doubt it very much. At least the volunteers being vaccinated gives them more protection from these types of people.

Do you have any idea where this type of thinking leads?

 

[bellenuit]

Do you have any idea where this type of thinking leads?

Yes, to caring more about others than your own selfish needs and demands.

 

[wayneL]

Yes, to caring more about others than your own selfish needs and demands.

I'm still wondering how a medical choice has transmogrified into selfishness?

Given that the vaccine does not stop infection or transmission at all, but merely reduces symptoms in most, the vaccinated or more of a danger to unvaccinated and the other way around.

What you were doing by drinking the kool-aid in this regard is indulging in otherising people.

Hmmm I seem to recall history being replete with examples where this did not end very well, including one very famous example roughly, oh, about 85 years ago.

To belabour the point once again, this is not ebola and is very little threat to ordinary healthy people.

 

[bellenuit]

When ya house is burning down, the last thing ya gunna worry about is whether the firefighters are vaxed or not.
Just sayin.
Mick

Thank you Mull. Precisely. That is why getting vaccinated now when not in a life threatening situation is best for all concerned, but particularly for those volunteers who will come to your rescue regardless.

 

[bellenuit]

Given that the vaccine does not stop infection or transmission at all, but merely reduces symptoms in most, the vaccinated or more of a danger to unvaccinated and the other way around.

Google is your friend. Get educated. The understanding has moved on in the last year.

newsGP - Mounting evidence suggests COVID vaccines do reduce transmission

Since vaccines began rolling out across the world, many scientists have been hesitant to say they can reduce transmission of the virus.

www1.racgp.org.au

Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study

People who get coronavirus after their first jab are up to 49% less likely to pass it on, research suggests.

www.bbc.com

Covid-19: Moderna and Pfizer vaccines prevent infections as well as symptoms, CDC study finds

Vaccination with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine reduces infections by 90%, while a single dose confers 80% protection, shows a study led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that followed essential workers through the worst months of the pandemic.1 The study is one of a...

www.bmj.com

 

[moXJO]

Google is your friend. Get educated. The understanding has moved on in the last year.

newsGP - Mounting evidence suggests COVID vaccines do reduce transmission

Since vaccines began rolling out across the world, many scientists have been hesitant to say they can reduce transmission of the virus.

www1.racgp.org.au

Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study

People who get coronavirus after their first jab are up to 49% less likely to pass it on, research suggests.

www.bbc.com

Covid-19: Moderna and Pfizer vaccines prevent infections as well as symptoms, CDC study finds

Vaccination with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine reduces infections by 90%, while a single dose confers 80% protection, shows a study led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that followed essential workers through the worst months of the pandemic.1 The study is one of a...

www.bmj.com

These are all months old articles.
It's misleading as the vaccines protection wane over 9 months.