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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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cynic said:
Yep! Such a wise choice!

Let the "factcheckers" do all your thinking and research for you!

Now, now, don't let the fact, that there are no fact checks, being performed, on the fact checkers' findings, deter you!

And since you're here, today happens to be your lucky day!

It just so happens that I have a bridge with beautiful views of the harbour, that I would dearly like to sell at bargain basement prices.

And since I am feeling especially generous, I am also throwing in a free opera house, as a deal sweetener, for the first 3 callers only, so be sure to get in quick!
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Fox News lol I'll let Rupert do yours for you
 
sptrawler said:
Sounds as though vaccine hesitancy has finally cracked.
www.smh.com.au

Vaccine hesitancy collapses as most voters back reopening rollout

Almost 30 per cent of people said they were unlikely to get jabbed in May. In the wake of lockdowns that hesitancy rate collapsed, the Resolve poll shows.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
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Perhaps horsey folk have more than the normal number of non compliant rebels and data/risk-benefit crunchers. Perhaps there are so many of us that are not reliant on jobs where there are vax mandates...

... But I have started collating the numbers in my circle of friends, colleagues and clients. Although there are a fair few that have caved through economic necessity (and interestingly it is very common for the partner's of those people to not be vaxt); and Slough Ihaven't really finished adding up everyone I can find out about, it seems that there are at least 40% of my sample who do not intend to be vaccinated any time in the near future.

And that is a mixture of hard no's and waiting for more longer term data.

The other interesting thing is that I do ask the question about each of these people's circle of influence and they also report similar sort of numbers anecdotally.

Again with the caveat of the type of people I hang out with, I find it difficult to believe the vaccination numbers that the government is reporting.

FWIW
 
wayneL said:
Perhaps horsey folk have more than the normal number of non compliant rebels and data/risk-benefit crunchers. Perhaps there are so many of us that are not reliant on jobs where there are vax mandates...

... But I have started collating the numbers in my circle of friends, colleagues and clients. Although there are a fair few that have caved through economic necessity (and interestingly it is very common for the partner's of those people to not be vaxt); and Slough Ihaven't really finished adding up everyone I can find out about, it seems that there are at least 40% of my sample who do not intend to be vaccinated any time in the near future.

And that is a mixture of hard no's and waiting for more longer term data.

The other interesting thing is that I do ask the question about each of these people's circle of influence and they also report similar sort of numbers anecdotally.

Again with the caveat of the type of people I hang out with, I find it difficult to believe the vaccination numbers that the government is reporting.

FWIW
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Sorry mrs Wayne, but on this I will have to disagree with you.
The figures put out by the government on people vaccinated are going to be too difficult to fudge to get away with it.
Standard procedures on bull**** stats is to (a) have as few people involved in the lie,
(b) make it difficult to disprove them.
In the case of (a), there are so many people involved in the vaccination process, it would be virtually impossible to fidge on anything except a tiny scale.
In the case of )b), you have so many agencies reporting the date, once again it would be difficult to fudge the figures on a grand enough scale to affect them materially.
Your anecdotal evidence does not translate easily to a national scal.
the converse to your experience is that in my circle of friends and acquaintances, say of 200 people , I only know two people who have not been at least single vaxed, and don't plan to do so,.
Lets say thats less than 5% given that I don't know the status of a some people as we have not discussed it.
Mick
 
The published vaccine uptake stats, do seem to be roughly consistent with observations from my own circle of acquaintances. Some, place full faith in the recommendations of their chosen GP, others, have reluctantly accepted, primarily due to either workplace mandates, or the desire to regain some of their stolen freedom. A scant few, have been able to hold out, in the face of increasing legislative and peer pressure.
 
mullokintyre said:
Sorry mrs Wayne, but on this I will have to disagree with you.
The figures put out by the government on people vaccinated are going to be too difficult to fudge to get away with it.
Standard procedures on bull**** stats is to (a) have as few people involved in the lie,
(b) make it difficult to disprove them.
In the case of (a), there are so many people involved in the vaccination process, it would be virtually impossible to fidge on anything except a tiny scale.
In the case of )b), you have so many agencies reporting the date, once again it would be difficult to fudge the figures on a grand enough scale to affect them materially.
Your anecdotal evidence does not translate easily to a national scal.
the converse to your experience is that in my circle of friends and acquaintances, say of 200 people , I only know two people who have not been at least single vaxed, and don't plan to do so,.
Lets say thats less than 5% given that I don't know the status of a some people as we have not discussed it.
Mick
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Yep I accept that, hence my qualifying comments. It still does make me wonder however... Rightly or wrongly I am deeply cynical about any government stats.

30 odd years have looking at "official" economic numbers has made me so.
 
wayneL said:
Again with the caveat of the type of people I hang out with, I find it difficult to believe the vaccination numbers that the government is reporting.

FWIW
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I think the figures quoted are over East, of my four kids, only one has had it. I also read an article that said only 255 of indigenous had received the shot, I think that was in W.A as well.
 
sptrawler said:
I think the figures quoted are over East, of my four kids, only one has had it. I also read an article that said only 255 of indigenous had received the shot, I think that was in W.A as well.
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That should have read 25%, obviously the shift key didn't engage, or my brain, one of the two. :rolleyes:
 
The FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee met on Tuesday October 26 to discuss authorizing the Pfizer vaccine for children between the ages of 5 to 11 years old, at which they did authorise the use of the vaccine.
From Zero Hedge

But the meeting roster shows that numerous members of the committee and temporary voting members have worked for Pfizer or have major connections to Pfizer.

Members include a former vice president of Pfizer Vaccines, a recent Pfizer consultant, a recent Pfizer research grant recipient, a man who mentored a current top Pfizer vaccine executive, a man who runs a center that gives out Pfizer vaccines, the chair of a Pfizer data group, a guy who was proudly photographed taking a Pfizer vaccine, and numerous people who are already on the record supporting Coronavirus vaccines for children. Meanwhile, recent FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb is on Pfizer’s board of directors.
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In any other sphere, the conflict of interests would preclude them from even attending, much less from voting.
Imagine if you will, if the Climate commission was going to vote on whether BP would be allowed to sell petroleum based products in Australia, and some of them had worked for, consulted for, advised to or had already expressed support fro the selling of, BP products.
Or perhaps if a committee that was meeting to approve the sale of cigarettes made by Phillip Morris had ex Phillip Morris execs and consultants.
It could only happen in America.
Mick
 
Excellent story on ABC highlighting how Israel has manged to successfully deal with COVID after a huge jump a couple of months ago,
Short story. A national booster shoot, and a balance of mask mandates, enforcement of the green pass system and widespread testing with a combination of PCR and rapid antigen tests have also played a part.
www.abc.net.au

COVID-19 is here to stay, and Israel shows it's going to take more than just booster shots to live with it

Just six weeks after the peak of its worst wave of COVID yet, life in Israel is returning to normal thanks to a combination of booster shots, vaccine passports and mask-wearing. Their turnaround could offer a way forward for Australia.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
According to Todays OZ

Queensland has stood down on full pay, some 4,000 health workers.
Almost 4000 workers have been banned from Queensland hospitals for refusing to get the Covid-19 vaccine but will remain on full pay.

All hospital workers – including nurses, doctors, receptionists and cleaners – were given Monday as a vaccination deadline.

Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said there were about 4000 unvaccinated staff across the state who would be given a show cause notice and be suspended with full pay.

“There are 7000 health workers who have not come forward saying they are vaccinated, but 3000 of those are on leave (long service or maternity leave),” she said.

She said the unvaccinated group made up about 5 per cent of all health workers.

"We have a number of staff who will now go through a show-cause process," Ms D’Ath said.

“We have been planning for this. We will put in place measures to manage any workforce shortages that might occur."

Ms D’Ath said disruptions from suspending 4000 staff were “far less” than if they were allowed to continue working and spread the virus to patients.
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I wonder how many of them actually are vaccinated, but just refuse to give their status.
You get stood down on full pay, so why the hell not?
Australians are a resourceful lot when it comes to getting money for nothing.
Mick
 
Queenslanders do a lot of strange things.
Queensland’s health minister has defended the state’s decision to continue to make overseas arrivals quarantine for 14 days despite a relaxation of rules in other states.

From Monday, both home and hotel quarantine requirements were scrapped in NSW and Victoria for returning Australians.

Queensland will keep quarantine until the state’s vaccination coverage reaches 90 per cent, which it is projected to in early 2022.
A cynic would suggest this stance is because it would mean that the 100mill they have paid the Wagners to use the quarantine camp at Wellcamp would be a white elephant. It may still be a white elephant if all the overseas arrivals choose to arrive in the other states first.
Unless they check the passports of arrivals from interstate, can't see how this won't be bypassed.
The Qld health minister may need to wear steel shoes to protect her feet.
Mick
 
noirua said:

WHO warns Europe at epicentre of new COVID-19 surge​

5 November 2021

MSN

www.msn.com

www.worldometers.info

Germany COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Germany Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info
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Not sure what was the dominant vaccine in Germany, but according to the LA times, the efficacy of three vaccines (meaning the only ones available in the USA), have declined sharply over time. Like Germany, it looks like we will all be lining up for the booster dose within six months.

As the Delta variant became the dominant strain of the coronavirus across the United States, all three COVID-19 vaccines available to Americans lost some of their protective power, with vaccine efficacy among a large group of veterans dropping between 35% and 85%, according to a new study.

Researchers who scoured the records of nearly 800,000 U.S. veterans found that in early March, just as the Delta variant was gaining a toehold across American communities, the three vaccines were roughly equal in their ability to prevent infections.

But over the next six months, that changed dramatically.

By the end of September, Moderna’s two-dose COVID-19 vaccine, measured as 89% effective in March, was only 58% effective.
The effectiveness of shots made by Pfizer and BioNTech, which also employed two doses, fell from 87% to 45% in the same period.

And most strikingly, the protective power of Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose vaccine plunged from 86% to just 13% over those six months.

The findings were published Thursday in the journal Science.
The three vaccines held up better in their ability to prevent COVID-19 deaths, but by July — as the Delta variant began to drive a three-month surge of infections and deaths — the shots’ effectiveness on that score also revealed wide gaps.

Among veterans 65 and older who were inoculated with the Moderna vaccine, those who developed a so-called breakthrough infection were 76% less likely to die of COVID-19 compared with unvaccinated veterans of the same age.

Older veterans who got the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and subsequently experienced a breakthrough infection were 70% less likely to die than were their unvaccinated peers.

And when older vets who got a single jab of the J&J vaccine suffered a breakthrough infection, they were 52% less likely to die than their peers who didn’t get any shots.
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Mick
 
Just looking at the headlines about the report from NSW Chief Health Officer on the Delta outbreak

Current death rates are fully vaccinated 11% deaths, unvaccinated 0.07% deaths, perhaps they need to release more data.

They say that those who were vaccinated were frail and elderly, going to die anyway (implication) so don't worry about that.

But they do not give the same details of those who died unvaccinated, I distinctly recall that the daily news reports did include that info and at least half had the "underlying health problems" mentioned and the vast majority were senior citizens

Yes, there were people in their 30's who died, which is terrible and I am not saying that Covid is a scam but I am saying that we are still being treated like mushrooms

I realise that the number of unvaccinated people who got Delta is much higher but at the start the majority of people were not vaccinated. I am unable to find the NSW chart of progress but the OZ one shows that in the time frame the Vacc rate jumped from 20% to 67% or an extra 12m people got vaxed.

As some of the states are still lagging I am sure that most of the huge surge was in NSW and Vic, so in the early days of the outbreak the majority of folk were unvaxed.

It was only after the outbreak that folks decided to get jabbed so the data is misleading at best.

We can also add the despicable act of allowing people to become seriously ill before getting any support from the so called Health Prevention people into the mix and I can understand why the nurses are more worried about the vaccine than Covid
 
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