Fox News lol I'll let Rupert do yours for you
Fox News lol I'll let Rupert do yours for youYep! Such a wise choice!
Let the "factcheckers" do all your thinking and research for you!
Now, now, don't let the fact, that there are no fact checks, being performed, on the fact checkers' findings, deter you!
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Congratulations! Being the first caller, you get a bonus opera house with your harbour bridge!Fox News lol I'll let Rupert do yours for you
Perhaps horsey folk have more than the normal number of non compliant rebels and data/risk-benefit crunchers. Perhaps there are so many of us that are not reliant on jobs where there are vax mandates...Sounds as though vaccine hesitancy has finally cracked.
Vaccine hesitancy collapses as most voters back reopening rollout
Almost 30 per cent of people said they were unlikely to get jabbed in May. In the wake of lockdowns that hesitancy rate collapsed, the Resolve poll shows.www.smh.com.au
Sorry mrs Wayne, but on this I will have to disagree with you.Perhaps horsey folk have more than the normal number of non compliant rebels and data/risk-benefit crunchers. Perhaps there are so many of us that are not reliant on jobs where there are vax mandates...
... But I have started collating the numbers in my circle of friends, colleagues and clients. Although there are a fair few that have caved through economic necessity (and interestingly it is very common for the partner's of those people to not be vaxt); and Slough Ihaven't really finished adding up everyone I can find out about, it seems that there are at least 40% of my sample who do not intend to be vaccinated any time in the near future.
And that is a mixture of hard no's and waiting for more longer term data.
The other interesting thing is that I do ask the question about each of these people's circle of influence and they also report similar sort of numbers anecdotally.
Again with the caveat of the type of people I hang out with, I find it difficult to believe the vaccination numbers that the government is reporting.
FWIW
Yep I accept that, hence my qualifying comments. It still does make me wonder however... Rightly or wrongly I am deeply cynical about any government stats.Sorry mrs Wayne, but on this I will have to disagree with you.
The figures put out by the government on people vaccinated are going to be too difficult to fudge to get away with it.
Standard procedures on bull**** stats is to (a) have as few people involved in the lie,
(b) make it difficult to disprove them.
In the case of (a), there are so many people involved in the vaccination process, it would be virtually impossible to fidge on anything except a tiny scale.
In the case of )b), you have so many agencies reporting the date, once again it would be difficult to fudge the figures on a grand enough scale to affect them materially.
Your anecdotal evidence does not translate easily to a national scal.
the converse to your experience is that in my circle of friends and acquaintances, say of 200 people , I only know two people who have not been at least single vaxed, and don't plan to do so,.
Lets say thats less than 5% given that I don't know the status of a some people as we have not discussed it.
Mick
Yea. I guess when you consider the employment statistics, the treasury forecasts, and the cost of any capital project manged or built by a government, its quite true.30 odd years have looking at "official" economic numbers has made me so.
I think the figures quoted are over East, of my four kids, only one has had it. I also read an article that said only 255 of indigenous had received the shot, I think that was in W.A as well.Again with the caveat of the type of people I hang out with, I find it difficult to believe the vaccination numbers that the government is reporting.
FWIW
That should have read 25%, obviously the shift key didn't engage, or my brain, one of the two.I think the figures quoted are over East, of my four kids, only one has had it. I also read an article that said only 255 of indigenous had received the shot, I think that was in W.A as well.
In any other sphere, the conflict of interests would preclude them from even attending, much less from voting.But the meeting roster shows that numerous members of the committee and temporary voting members have worked for Pfizer or have major connections to Pfizer.
Members include a former vice president of Pfizer Vaccines, a recent Pfizer consultant, a recent Pfizer research grant recipient, a man who mentored a current top Pfizer vaccine executive, a man who runs a center that gives out Pfizer vaccines, the chair of a Pfizer data group, a guy who was proudly photographed taking a Pfizer vaccine, and numerous people who are already on the record supporting Coronavirus vaccines for children. Meanwhile, recent FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb is on Pfizer’s board of directors.
I wonder how many of them actually are vaccinated, but just refuse to give their status.Almost 4000 workers have been banned from Queensland hospitals for refusing to get the Covid-19 vaccine but will remain on full pay.
All hospital workers – including nurses, doctors, receptionists and cleaners – were given Monday as a vaccination deadline.
Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said there were about 4000 unvaccinated staff across the state who would be given a show cause notice and be suspended with full pay.
“There are 7000 health workers who have not come forward saying they are vaccinated, but 3000 of those are on leave (long service or maternity leave),” she said.
She said the unvaccinated group made up about 5 per cent of all health workers.
"We have a number of staff who will now go through a show-cause process," Ms D’Ath said.
“We have been planning for this. We will put in place measures to manage any workforce shortages that might occur."
Ms D’Ath said disruptions from suspending 4000 staff were “far less” than if they were allowed to continue working and spread the virus to patients.
Not sure what was the dominant vaccine in Germany, but according to the LA times, the efficacy of three vaccines (meaning the only ones available in the USA), have declined sharply over time. Like Germany, it looks like we will all be lining up for the booster dose within six months.WHO warns Europe at epicentre of new COVID-19 surge
5 November 2021
Germany COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Germany Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
MickAs the Delta variant became the dominant strain of the coronavirus across the United States, all three COVID-19 vaccines available to Americans lost some of their protective power, with vaccine efficacy among a large group of veterans dropping between 35% and 85%, according to a new study.
Researchers who scoured the records of nearly 800,000 U.S. veterans found that in early March, just as the Delta variant was gaining a toehold across American communities, the three vaccines were roughly equal in their ability to prevent infections.
But over the next six months, that changed dramatically.
By the end of September, Moderna’s two-dose COVID-19 vaccine, measured as 89% effective in March, was only 58% effective.
The effectiveness of shots made by Pfizer and BioNTech, which also employed two doses, fell from 87% to 45% in the same period.
And most strikingly, the protective power of Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose vaccine plunged from 86% to just 13% over those six months.
The findings were published Thursday in the journal Science.
The three vaccines held up better in their ability to prevent COVID-19 deaths, but by July — as the Delta variant began to drive a three-month surge of infections and deaths — the shots’ effectiveness on that score also revealed wide gaps.
Among veterans 65 and older who were inoculated with the Moderna vaccine, those who developed a so-called breakthrough infection were 76% less likely to die of COVID-19 compared with unvaccinated veterans of the same age.
Older veterans who got the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and subsequently experienced a breakthrough infection were 70% less likely to die than were their unvaccinated peers.
And when older vets who got a single jab of the J&J vaccine suffered a breakthrough infection, they were 52% less likely to die than their peers who didn’t get any shots.
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