Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[IFocus]

Like BLM, Extinction Rebellion, and a host of others?

Some animals more equal than others?

Its a shame you cannot include union conflict in your list, 1st they came for the unionist...

 

[basilio]

Delta Covid for the young and healthy.

Sydney couple who contracted COVID-19 warn others to take the virus seriously after both were hospitalised​

By Bellinda Kontominas
Posted 4h ago4 hours ago, updated 1h ago1 hours ago

Melissa Green was in hospital for a week and narrowly avoided ICU after contracting COVID-19.(
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The two days after Melissa Green was admitted to hospital with the deadly COVID-19 Delta variant were without doubt "the worst" of her life.
"I had temperatures over 40 degrees. I had the oxygen on me," the 39-year-old said.
"I actually was really scared there for about 30 hours, just because I've never ever experienced anything like that in my life. I was literally delirious."
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Ms Green, from Riverwood in Sydney's south-west, contracted COVID-19 two days after her partner Dion Mason, 40, tested positive, on July 13. The couple's three-year-old daughter, Lola, also tested positive.

Both Ms Green's and Mr Mason's initial symptoms included bad headaches, chills and muscle aches but about six days into the infection, both deteriorated significantly.

'I was delirious': How fit and healthy Melissa was bowled over by COVID-19

Melissa Green and her partner Dion Mason are young and fit, but both ended up in hospital after contracting COVID-19, which he describes as feeling like "a 200-kilogram man standing on your chest".

www.abc.net.au

 

[moXJO]

Its a shame you cannot include union conflict in your list, 1st they came for the unionist...

There were some union members at the nsw rally. The media decided to target it all as anti-vax. Truth is there were a lot of workers and business owners going to the wall that attended.

 

[basilio]

Options on how to come out of COVID as we attempt to mass vaccinate

Australia needs a Covid plan B that gives more freedom to the vaccinated | Liz Hicks and Greg Dore

Privileges for the double-jabbed could include home quarantine, vaccination passports and exemption from state border closures

www.theguardian.com

 

[moXJO]

Options on how to come out of COVID as we attempt to mass vaccinate

Australia needs a Covid plan B that gives more freedom to the vaccinated | Liz Hicks and Greg Dore

Privileges for the double-jabbed could include home quarantine, vaccination passports and exemption from state border closures

www.theguardian.com

You can still catch it and spread it. Similar to how Israel got another wave among its vaccinated 60 yo. Everyone thought they were immune and took risks.

I like how "Germany" came up with this idea. Jeez I wonder how the Germans came up with that...

 

[rederob]

You can still catch it and spread it.

True, but at a small fraction of the rate of those not vaccinated:

Similar to how Israel got another wave among its vaccinated 60 yo. Everyone thought they were immune and took risks.

Except that it is a complete misunderstanding of data, as it reflects the statistical inevitability of breakthrough infections when most of the population is vaccinated:

Looks more like a ripple than a wave for the older aged.

I like how "Germany" came up with this idea. Jeez I wonder how the Germans came up with that...

I think they used basic maths.
The concept of vaccine passports/privileges has widespread appeal.

 

[sptrawler]

I think the passport isnt far away, probably as soon as the current panic rush subsides.

 

[IFocus]

There were some union members at the nsw rally. The media decided to target it all as anti-vax. Truth is there were a lot of workers and business owners going to the wall that attended.

Possible members were there but my point was unions cannot protest any more without deregistration, fines , severe penalties etc (yeah with permits, certain times places etc) freedom of speech and right to protest was muzzled long ago cheered on by the right.

 

[moXJO]

True, but at a small fraction of the rate of those not vaccinated:
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Except that it is a complete misunderstanding of data, as it reflects the statistical inevitability of breakthrough infections when most of the population is vaccinated:
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Looks more like a ripple than a wave for the older aged.

I think they used basic maths.
The concept of vaccine passports/privileges has widespread appeal.

More on Israel later. But over a certain age vaccinated had caught it more than unvaccinated. They are getting a third shot of vax as we speak due to efficiency dropping.

It's the risks associated with "superman" syndrome that has me worried in Australia. I mean we don't really give a fck now except for a hard core group of bootlegging authoritarians in the making.
Also anyone that was vaccinated earlier not having the protection they once had.

Right now not everyone can get the vaccine so you are just as likely to cause greater unrest.
There is already a growing divide in the community. Putting people even more offside will justify their struggle against government.

Denial of anyone's rights in such a fashion seems fascist. Considering the majority of the population just get the sniffles, it seems to be overreach.
Are we really considering putting a yellow star on those not wanting to get vaxxed?

I get it "big stick" persuasion. Government would be loving it until the crowd turns. Scomo wouldn't be able to implement it imo. The left hate him, but love the idea of the elitist tag a vax passport would bring, but hate scomo....
No doubt for overseas travel it will become a must have. But beyond that and politicians will need 24h security as the NSW mob doesn't need much more to whip it in a frenzy.

Australia location also plays in our favor. How about anyone coming into the country need to be vaccinated. We don't have the shared borders Europe does.

I'm not sure scomo can do math?

 

[macca]

More on Israel later. But over a certain age vaccinated had caught it more than unvaccinated. They are getting a third shot of vax as we speak due to efficiency dropping.

It's the risks associated with "superman" syndrome that has me worried in Australia. I mean we don't really give a fck now except for a hard core group of bootlegging authoritarians in the making.
Also anyone that was vaccinated earlier not having the protection they once had.

Right now not everyone can get the vaccine so you are just as likely to cause greater unrest.
There is already a growing divide in the community. Putting people even more offside will justify their struggle against government.

Denial of anyone's rights in such a fashion seems fascist. Considering the majority of the population just get the sniffles, it seems to be overreach.
Are we really considering putting a yellow star on those not wanting to get vaxxed?

I get it "big stick" persuasion. Government would be loving it until the crowd turns. Scomo wouldn't be able to implement it imo. The left hate him, but love the idea of the elitist tag a vax passport would bring, but hate scomo....
No doubt for overseas travel it will become a must have. But beyond that and politicians will need 24h security as the NSW mob doesn't need much more to whip it in a frenzy.

Australia location also plays in our favor. How about anyone coming into the country need to be vaccinated. We don't have the shared borders Europe does.

I'm not sure scomo can do math?

And as confirmed by the CDC in USA, vaccinated or not, you can still be full of Covid ready to spread it around.

In fact, according to the gospel, if you are vaccinated you won't get as sick, so they will continue to circulate and work. Those who are not vaccinated "should" feel sick and would be more likely to stay at home.

So we could end up with "super spreaders" those that are Covid positive but feel OK

 

[sptrawler]

I get it "big stick" persuasion. Government would be loving it until the crowd turns. Scomo wouldn't be able to implement it imo. The left hate him, but love the idea of the elitist tag a vax passport would bring, but hate scomo....

Probably the very reason that any draconian stuff is being left to the States, it is a no win for Scomo, as was proven when he suggested younger people should take the AZ the media were all over it.
Now the States are saying it, the media are supporting it, because the States that are most authoritarian are actually Labor States.
They say Albo is making himself a small target, I think Scomo is trying to follow suit, Scomo is walking a very fine line with the media.
Vaccine hesitancy has started to take the blame, over lack of supply, I think Scomo will miss a bullet on that one.
What has happened now is those who wanted it, got it, those who didn't want it but now are reconsidering, are finding the supply is there.
That translates to voters who wanted it initially got it, those who want it now are getting it, the media are the ones who trumped up the story, I don't think the voters buy it.
It is going to be the best election ever, Albo and Scomo are two of the cagiest pollies in a long time, it should be great IMO.

 

[bellenuit]

In fact, according to the gospel, if you are vaccinated you won't get as sick, so they will continue to circulate and work. Those who are not vaccinated "should" feel sick and would be more likely to stay at home.

Yes, but according to the gospel you are also substantially less likely to get infected if you are vaccinated. So getting vaccinated is still the best course of action, but they need a cheap easy to use test so that those vaccinated can see if they are one of the few who have got a breakthrough infection.

Also the unvaccinated cannot be relied upon to take the correct action and stay at home as many are in the category that believe there is no virus, or that it is just a flu, or that taking any preventative action is an affront to their liberty.

 

[sptrawler]

They say Albo is making himself a small target, I think Scomo is trying to follow suit, Scomo is walking a very fine line with the media.
Vaccine hesitancy has started to take the blame, over lack of supply, I think Scomo will miss a bullet on that one.
What has happened now is those who wanted it, got it, those who didn't want it but now are reconsidering, are finding the supply is there.
That translates to voters who wanted it initially got it, those who want it now are getting it, the media are the ones who trumped up the story, I don't think the voters buy it.

As if on cue:

'Silver lining': Surging Covid infections could assist NSW lockdown exit

The federal government reportedly believes NSW could end lockdown in just five weeks. Read more about the state's vaccine push.

au.news.yahoo.com

From the article:
Yet there was a sense of optimism amid the misery, with Premier Gladys Berejiklian hailing those who have come out for the vaccine in impressive rates.


More than 82,000 people in NSW received the jab in the 24 hours to Saturday evening.

Ms Berejiklian believes such a rate is sustainable and says half a million jabs can be administered every week in what she called "our ticket to freedom".

The Delta outbreak in NSW has seen vaccine hesitancy in Australia plummet from 33 per cent to 21.5 per cent in just two months, the Melbourne Institute says.

 

[sptrawler]

Probably the very reason that any draconian stuff is being left to the States, it is a no win for Scomo, as was proven when he suggested younger people should take the AZ the media were all over it.
Now the States are saying it, the media are supporting it, because the States that are most authoritarian are actually Labor States.
They say Albo is making himself a small target, I think Scomo is trying to follow suit, Scomo is walking a very fine line with the media.

Well here we go, just posted on the W.A news:

Un-jabbed police to be forced to wear masks

WA Police officers who refuse to get vaccinated against COVID-19 will be forced to wear face masks at all times while on duty, the State’s top cop has announced.

thewest.com.au

I'm not agreeing, or disagreeing, just proving a point.

 

[moXJO]

Yes, but according to the gospel you are also substantially less likely to get infected if you are vaccinated. So getting vaccinated is still the best course of action, but they need a cheap easy to use test so that those vaccinated can see if they are one of the few who have got a breakthrough infection.

Also the unvaccinated cannot be relied upon to take the correct action and stay at home as many are in the category that believe there is no virus, or that it is just a flu, or that taking any preventative action is an affront to their liberty.

I'd be interested in the infection % out of Israel against some of the newer stuff. I saw an extremely low protection figure but dismissed it at the time as unreliable or skewed.

 

[sptrawler]

Articles like this in the ABC, should further accelerate the uptake of the vaccine.

The Delta variant is more infectious. Now experts say it has something else that makes it a 'double whammy'

Health experts prepare for a "nightmare scenario" in Australia, with early data from both overseas examples and the NSW outbreak showing the Delta strain is more severe as well as being harder to contain.

www.abc.net.au

 

[rederob]

Articles like this in the ABC, should further accelerate the uptake of the vaccine.

The Delta variant is more infectious. Now experts say it has something else that makes it a 'double whammy'

Health experts prepare for a "nightmare scenario" in Australia, with early data from both overseas examples and the NSW outbreak showing the Delta strain is more severe as well as being harder to contain.

www.abc.net.au

But there is an even better option, and it's not available!
We asked about this option over a month ago and were told no, and it's still no today.
It does not make sense!

 

[sptrawler]

But there is an even better option, and it's not available!
We asked about this option over a month ago and were told no, and it's still no today.
It does not make sense!

I wonder if the TGA has approved it yet?

 

[rederob]

I wonder if the TGA has approved it yet?

The vaccines are already approved, so this seems to be an issue for ATAGI.
However, I think ATAGI is only "advisory," so States should be able to approve vaccine mixes.

 

[moXJO]

I asked the nurses about 8 weeks between the vax and mixing. They seem bound by company rules around use around each vax. Possibly lawsuits as well I suppose.
She did state that the recommendation from the book was what they used, she seemed well versed in it.

A shame as I'd have gone with mixing the vax and spread it further out then 3 weeks.