Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[rederob]

Because it is a chat forum, where it isn't imperative that the answer be definitive or even accurate, a bit like the 6 o'clock news, Bolt or the project, you know where people just say what they think and others either laugh at it, argue about it or ignore it.

Oh, so it's ok to spread lies and disinformation here?
Forums give us a chance to directly challenge ignorance that we don't have with The Bolt Report or other media.

 

[sptrawler]

Oh, so it's ok to spread lies and disinformation here?
Forums give us a chance to directly challenge ignorance that we don't have with The Bolt Report or other media.

You are never going to stop lies and disinformation, but a lot of disinformation and lies are fought with disinformation, vagueness, misrepresentation and lies, so which side is right? Some times things just have to be let go IMO.

 

[rederob]

You are never going to stop lies and disinformation, but a lot of disinformation and lies are fought with disinformation, vagueness, misrepresentation and lies, so which side is right? Some times things just have to be let go IMO.

When people make false and misleading claims about the value of vaccinations to communities it endangers life.
Some people - like me - challenge that level of ignorance rather than let it slide.

 

[sptrawler]

When people make false and misleading claims about the value of vaccinations to communities it endangers life.
Some people - like me - challenge that level of ignorance rather than let it slide.

I don't profess to be sufficiently expert in vaccines to challenge people on the subject and I would only be repeating what I had read or heard and taken as being correct as my evidence. Therefore I let it slide.

 

[SirRumpole]

The most successful multi cultural country in the world and yet we still have certain parts of it that can't or don't want to cooperate at least by learning the language and having the comprehension skills to follow instructions that the rest of us have to.

What happened to English and comprehension tests before people are allowed into the country ?

A multicultural failure if you ask me.

 

[rederob]

I don't profess to be sufficiently expert in vaccines to challenge people on the subject and I would only be repeating what I had read or heard and taken as being correct as my evidence. Therefore I let it slide.

There is a wealth of data.
@bellenuit regularly posts it, as do I.
On the specific matter of "outbreaks" you can choose to rely on what science and medical experts say, or you can invent your own narrative.

With the Delta variant what we can be sure of is that it is very infectious. And, if it is the case that viral load is not reduced by vaccination, then Morrison's idea that lockdowns can be reduced at 70%, and further again at 80%, is out the window: infections will continue irrespective of the vaccination rate.

 

[IFocus]

It's not a competition, it's a forum.

Exactly hence Robs reply, its a forum of differing opinions (like ar$e holes every one has one and they all stink) however evidence is really handy to support a given opinion and adds objectivity to the discussion.

Everything is up for question no matter who.

COVID has affected all walks and ways of life and cuts through the various ideological divides, politicians giving a very good insight to general COVID discussions selectively quoting health advice they like ignoring parts the don't.

Whether the actions support moneyed interests / ideological beliefs or is in the publics best interests is the ongoing question. I would note look at the US for answers given the shocking behaviour going on there currently.

This of course flows onto vaccinations again selective positions taken based often on political ideology or feeding fear rather than any thing to do with epidemiology (which I note is never referenced )

Now we have demonstrators proud to spread COVID what next?

 

[IFocus]

The most successful multi cultural country in the world and yet we still have certain parts of it that can't or don't want to cooperate at least by learning the language and having the comprehension skills to follow instructions that the rest of us have to.

What happened to English and comprehension tests before people are allowed into the country ?

A multicultural failure if you ask me.

Plenty of innuendo about the migrant populations around Sydney, language / culture likely plays a part but I wonder if a larger % are also causal, gig economy, part time etc that had to go to work to eat and needed support to stay home?

 

[SirRumpole]

Plenty of innuendo about the migrant populations around Sydney, language / culture likely plays a part but I wonder if a larger % are also causal, gig economy, part time etc that had to go to work to eat and needed support to stay home?

A valid point of course, but understanding the language would be a good start and might reduce the extra resources that has to be put in to get the message across.

 

[sptrawler]

Now we have demonstrators proud to spread COVID what next?

What next, another opinion, no doubt.

 

[wayneL]

Now we have demonstrators proud to spread COVID what next?

Like BLM, Extinction Rebellion, and a host of others?

Some animals more equal than others?

 

[basilio]

Because it is a chat forum, where it isn't imperative that the answer be definitive or even accurate, a bit like the 6 o'clock news, Bolt or the project, you know where people just say what they think and others either laugh at it, argue about it or ignore it.

Maybe... On some topics. Like which is the best football team. Who do we think should win The Farmers wants a wife . Which car is the best.

All opinion based. All just chat.

I don't think this thread comes under that heading. COVID is deadly serious. One of the most dangerous aspects in my mind is the misinformation, misunderstanding and downright lies that are spread about COVID and how to tackle it. So allowing/encouraging quite dangerously wrong information to be promoted or accepted is, in my mind, not cool.

 

[macca]

This would indicate that it is pointless separating those that are vaccinated from those that aren't.

The viral load is the same so everyone is still contagious.

Offer vaccination to those that want it then carry on with masks and social distancing seems the only way to handle it


<<Scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in the US state of Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots.
Health officials released details of that research, which was key in this week's decision by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to recommend that vaccinated people return to wearing masks indoors in parts of the US where the Delta variant is fuelling infection surges.>>

Vaccinated people can carry as much Delta variant COVID-19 as others, US study finds

www.9news.com.au

 

[wayneL]

The most amazing arrogance of the above comment is in believing that only one side (his side) has the received truth.

 

[macca]

Maybe... On some topics. Like which is the best football team. Who do we think should win The Farmers wants a wife . Which car is the best.

All opinion based. All just chat.

I don't think this thread comes under that heading. COVID is deadly serious. One of the most dangerous aspects in my mind is the misinformation, misunderstanding and downright lies that are spread about COVID and how to tackle it. So allowing/encouraging quite dangerously wrong information to be promoted or accepted is, in my mind, not cool.

I agree Baz but the problem is that the lies are mainly about the fact that the vaccine is the Only way to go which is simply not true.

Vaccinating people is fine if they want it but Why is there no effort to find some treatment that will ease symptoms.

I have been on this planet a long time and Every Single time I have been to the Doctor he wants to write a prescription "to ease my symptoms or to treat my pain"

No major medical authority was interested in trying to find something that would help with Covid, Why not ?

Since day one of Covid we were "getting a vaccine" so go home and die while we wait for the vaccine.

I find that attitude abhorrent

So do others, that is what encourages conspiracy theories, why can we not know the details of age, health etc of those who have died.

It is very apparent OS that those people of a certain religion who get very little sunshine are having an awful run with Covid, the Doctors know this so why not tell people to get out into the sun.

It is this lack of helpful hints and sensible practical suggestions that many find odd, surely the Docs can do better than this

 

[macca]

In support of my statement about getting some sun, news from Germany

<<According to my analysis, more than 90 percent of the intubated, most seriously ill patients always had a migrant background,” he said.>>

Immigrants ‘overrepresented’ in severely ill COVID-19 patients in Germany

LONDON: More than 90 percent of severely ill COVID-19 patients in Germany have a “migrant background,” a leading doctor has said, amid concerns that minority ethnic groups require more support in the fight against the virus.

www.arabnews.com

 

[sptrawler]

Maybe... On some topics. Like which is the best football team. Who do we think should win The Farmers wants a wife . Which car is the best.

All opinion based. All just chat.

I don't think this thread comes under that heading. COVID is deadly serious. One of the most dangerous aspects in my mind is the misinformation, misunderstanding and downright lies that are spread about COVID and how to tackle it. So allowing/encouraging quite dangerously wrong information to be promoted or accepted is, in my mind, not cool.

I've never seen shouting at people and telling them they are wrong and I am right, so do as you're told, being a very successful method.
But then again I was never a teacher, only a supervisor of adults.
Where has all the inclusiveness gone? ?

 

[sptrawler]

Post #104, way back in Feb 2020.

I think the real problem begins, if it gets a hold in Africa, imagine if it mutates with some of the horrible diseases there. The transmission skills of this thing, with the fatality ability of some really nasty disease, doesn't bear thinking about IMO.

And now what are we hearing, there is nothing that sells news, better than bad news.

'30 times more deadly': Fears Covid variants could merge

As countries around the world grapple with the Delta Covid variant, experts are warning it could get much worse. Read more.

au.news.yahoo.com

From the article:
Multiple variants of coronavirus such as Alpha, Beta or Delta could merge into one far deadlier variant over time, a research paper published this week by the UK’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) says.

If that occurs, Covid could turn into something similar to Middle East respiratory syndrome or MERS, which had a 35 per cent fatality rate, the paper claimed.
MERS was first found in Saudi Arabia in 2012.
SAGE warned it is a “realistic possibility” and added that “even in the face of vaccination” morbidity and mortality rates would increase because vaccines “do not fully prevent infection in most individuals”.

Dr Simon Clarke, an associate professor in cellular microbiology, University of Reading, told The Sun while it is possible, it is not inevitable.
“While it is rare for two viruses to combine, it does happen, it’s called a ‘recombination event’ and is perfectly possible. It’s well documented with flu, for instance,” he said.

“There are multiple potential outcomes from this, but there’s no reason why it could not generate a more lethal variant.”

 

[sptrawler]

It sounds as though NSW, has some major issues.

COVID infections being hidden from NSW health authorities as state records 210 new cases

NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard says people critically ill with COVID-19 are being hidden from authorities, as the state records another death and 210 new infections.

www.abc.net.au

From the article:
NSW Health has confirmed four people with COVID-19 have died at home.

 

[basilio]

Sky News Australia banned from YouTube for seven days over Covid misinformation​

Digital giant issues strike after channel posted videos denying the existence of disease and encouraging people to use discredited medication

Sky News Australia has been banned from uploading content to YouTube for seven days after violating its medical misinformation policies by posting numerous videos which denied the existence of Covid-19 or encouraged people to use hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin.

..YouTube has not disclosed which Sky News program the videos were from but said there were “numerous” offending videos which have now been removed.

...“We have clear and established Covid-19 medical misinformation policies based on local and global health authority guidance, to prevent the spread of Covid-19 misinformation that could cause real-world harm,” a YouTube spokesperson told Guardian Australia.

“We apply our policies equally for everyone regardless of uploader, and in accordance with these policies and our long-standing strikes system, removed videos from and issued a strike to Sky News Australia’s channel.

“Specifically, we don’t allow content that denies the existence of Covid-19 or that encourages people to use hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin to treat or prevent the virus. We do allow for videos that have sufficient countervailing context, which the violative videos did not provide.”

.,,One of the most popular videos, with 4.6m views, is Jones’s “Australians must know the truth – this virus is not a pandemic”, which was posted at the height of the pandemic last year.

On 19 July, Sky News was forced to apologise for a Jones interview with MP Craig Kelly in which they claimed the Delta variant is not dangerous and vaccines won’t help you. The video was removed and a lengthy apology was published on the Sky News website.

Sky News Australia banned from YouTube for seven days over Covid misinformation

Digital giant issues strike after channel posted videos denying the existence of disease and encouraging people to use discredited medication

www.theguardian.com