Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[rederob]

I asked the nurses about 8 weeks between the vax and mixing. They seem bound by company rules around use around each vax. Possibly lawsuits as well I suppose.
She did state that the recommendation from the book was what they used, she seemed well versed in it.

A shame as I'd have gone with mixing the vax and spread it further out then 3 weeks.

The thing is that the AZ antibody response increases over time, so those getting an AZ jab now would likely develop a much stronger antibody response with a second dose of Pfizer in October or later when we know Pfizer supplies also increase dramatically.

 

[moXJO]

The thing is that the AZ antibody response increases over time, so those getting an AZ jab now would likely develop a much stronger antibody response with a second dose of Pfizer in October or later when we know Pfizer supplies also increase dramatically.

Its the smart choice. They wouldn't do it where I was. Not sure if the gp might do it differently.
But let's face it Australian governments are not known for thinking outside of the box.

 

[sptrawler]

The thing is that the AZ antibody response increases over time, so those getting an AZ jab now would likely develop a much stronger antibody response with a second dose of Pfizer in October or later when we know Pfizer supplies also increase dramatically.

It will be interesting to see if that option is available, by then.

 

[sptrawler]

Things must be getting worrying, the push to AZ is intensifying. Interesting that the CHO hadn't had a shot until recently.

Queensland CHO modifies AstraZeneca advice as case numbers rise

Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young has admitted the state is approaching the point where people under 60 should get the AstraZeneca vaccine if they can.

www.smh.com.au

From the article:
Dr Young said she did not believe her comments over the past month had contributed to Queensland having the highest vaccine hesitancy rate in the country, according to a recent survey.

The review, conducted by the Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research and released last week, showed just over 30 per cent of Queenslanders were either unwilling or unsure about getting the vaccine.

That was compared with 14.5 per cent in NSW, 23.9 per cent in Victoria and 21.4 per cent in Western Australia.

However, Queensland’s vaccine hesitancy rate has been consistently above those other states stretching back to October 2020, when the state’s unwilling and unsure people made up 25 per cent of the population.
But of our 60-year-old to 69 age group, less than 20 per cent have had their second dose ... just over 42 per cent of 70-plus have had their second dose.”
Dr Young has had her first dose of AstraZeneca, and said on Tuesday she was going to book in for her second dose soon as it had been more than eight weeks since her first, with ATAGI recently narrowing the recommended window between doses of AstraZeneca from 12 to eight weeks.

 

[SirRumpole]

Government restrictions on the un-vaccinated legal say experts.

'Special rules' are likely on the way for vaccinated Aussies. Here's why they'd be legal

A COVID-19 "vaccine passport" is coming, and rules about access to businesses, masks wearing and even public transport could all be very different for people depending on whether they are vaccinated or not. Here's what you need to know.

www.abc.net.au

It's going to be pretty hard to police in some circumstances. People getting on public transport for example.

 

[wayneL]

Government restrictions on the un-vaccinated legal say experts.

'Special rules' are likely on the way for vaccinated Aussies. Here's why they'd be legal

A COVID-19 "vaccine passport" is coming, and rules about access to businesses, masks wearing and even public transport could all be very different for people depending on whether they are vaccinated or not. Here's what you need to know.

www.abc.net.au

It's going to be pretty hard to police in some circumstances. People getting on public transport for example.

Conspiracy theories coming true.

2+2=5, Winston.

 

[Belli]

The review, conducted by the Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research and released last week, showed just over 30 per cent of Queenslanders were either unwilling or unsure about getting the vaccine.

Not entirely surprised by that. A relative close to my age and her husband is older and close to 80. Live up pass Cairns. Cane farmer. They both had AZ but before they did have the vaccinations some acquaintances almost tried to restrain her husband from having it. Usual crap about "stuff" in vaccinations and shedding. Told them to get stuffed. And he is one of the most conservative blokes I know. He he. She wasn't shy about telling me what she thought of them. Cretins and a total waste of oxygen.

 

[sptrawler]

Not entirely surprised by that. A relative close to my age and her husband is older and close to 80. Live up pass Cairns. Cane farmer. They both had AZ but before they did have the vaccinations some acquaintances almost tried to restrain her husband from having it. Usual crap about "stuff" in vaccinations and shedding. Told them to get stuffed. And he is one of the most conservative blokes I know. He he. She wasn't shy about telling me what she thought of them. Cretins and a total waste of oxygen.

Im in W.A and have relatives in the UK, none of them nor any of my family or friends have had the virus, the ones in the UK have had the vaccine without issue, of the people and relitives in W.A most are only now starting to talk about getting vaccinated.
The main driver seems to be the relentless lockdowns and talk of lockdowns, is starting to do their heads in, so they just seem to be saying WTF might as well just get it.
There doesnt appear to be any scientific and political reasoning going into the descission.

 

[mullokintyre]

As a regional Victorian living in a small town that has only 1 case of Covid in the 18 months or so since it all started, I am frustrated that we are now entering our sixth lockdown. With no cases in regional Victoria, we are still going through the lockdown farce because Daniel Andrews does not want people moving out of Melbourne. Today I had planned to attend the funeral of a much loved citizen of our town, a well known bloke, community minded, generous with his time and money, in short, a life well lived. Now thanks to Ghengis Dan, only ten people can attend. Not even all of his family members will be allowed to attend. I don't give a rats arse whether its a conspiracy, a communist plot, or just a plain F^%^&^up. The end result is the same. I am over it. Either they start allowing fully vaxed people to live normal lives, or they will end up with a multitude of social unrest that once out, will never be able to control.
Mick

 

[SirRumpole]

Does being vaccinated increase the risk of getting covid ?

Why you shouldn't be concerned when more vaccinated people are getting infected than unvaccinated

Confusion has spread online as countries report increasing numbers of new COVID-19 cases among people who have been vaccinated. But vaccinated and unvaccinated infections need to be compared with their respective populations for a proper analysis.

www.abc.net.au

 

[bellenuit]

Does being vaccinated increase the risk of getting covid ?

Why you shouldn't be concerned when more vaccinated people are getting infected than unvaccinated

Confusion has spread online as countries report increasing numbers of new COVID-19 cases among people who have been vaccinated. But vaccinated and unvaccinated infections need to be compared with their respective populations for a proper analysis.

www.abc.net.au

A point that is usually misunderstood by the anti-vaxxers.

Another way of explaining this is to look at the extreme ends of the scale and see what that shows. Before there were COVID vaccines, 100% of infections were of unvaccinated people and 0% were of vaccinated (as there was no vaccine). Should we get to a stage where everyone has been vaccinated, there will still be breakthrough cases, but we will have 100% of infections will be of vaccinated people while 0% will be of unvaccinated.

So as more and more become vaccinated, vaccinated people will become a bigger percentage of those infected. This will be the case irrespective of the efficacy of the vaccine. We will know the vaccine is effective if the % of those infected who are vaccinated is less than the % of people among the general population who are vaccinated.

 

[basilio]

I think this perspective around COVID from a paramedic says it all. And we are nowhere near the potential number of sick people.

As paramedics in south-west Sydney we are pushed beyond exhaustion – and into a dystopian world​

Anonymous

Staff morale has never been lower and the only thing keeping us afloat is joking about how we’re drowning

‘The loneliness I feel by keeping totally isolated from loved ones and the risk I put myself at helping us all get back to a normal life is burning me out.’ Photograph: Sean Foster/Getty Images
Thu 5 Aug 2021 12.18 AEST
Last modified on Thu 5 Aug 2021 12.19 AEST


It’s been nearly 18 months since I wrote about Covid-19 first hitting our shores and spreading to our suburbs. The transmissibility and virulence of the Delta strain has pushed the ambulance service beyond the brink of exhaustion.

It wasn’t until paramedics and other health staff began contracting Covid at work that we realised how much trouble we were in and by then more than 200 paramedics were deemed close contacts and ordered into two weeks’ isolation. I was one of them. Despite the message from the highest levels of government, this was a race, and we had tripped over the first hurdle.

After two weeks locked in and alone, I was eager to get back to work to chip in and see my friends. My enthusiasm was quickly extinguished when I stepped into the dystopian world that used to be my workplace: hospitals in crisis and nearing capacity. The tension in the air is thick, staff morale has never been lower and, despite words of encouragement from management, the only thing keeping us afloat is joking about how we’re drowning. Most of us are feeling anxious. Typically for paramedics, we find strength and solidarity through collective suffering.

Sydney Covid Delta variant outbreak ‘an epidemic of young people’
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As the crisis in Sydney worsened, certain ambulance sectors were left dangerously short-staffed while health management scrambled to catch up. New orders were handed down – full PPE must now be worn for every patient. Full PPE means droplet precautions, mask, gloves, goggles and plastic gown. If anyone finds popping a mask on to order a coffee exasperating, try wrapping yourself in cling-wrap and going to work for 12 hours.

What started as a trickle became a flood of call-outs for Covid-positive patients needing help. It has never been like this. I’ve entered houses where all occupants are Covid positive. Some are sick, some are just scared and apologise for wasting our time. They’re not sure how bad they need to get before they should go to hospital. Some don’t speak English, or have poor health literacy, and fear there’ll be repercussions should they test positive. Fear of testing not only prolongs lockdowns, it can also prove deadly.

I went home, went to bed and woke up the next day to do it all over again. I’ll keep doing so until we’re out of this

I’ve turned up to a house to find every member symptomatic, and none had been tested. We found a patient unconscious and not breathing and commenced CPR. Chest compressions aren’t like the movies, they’re brutal. CPR is also physically demanding, particularly in restrictive PPE. Trying to keep calm while out of breath under a mask, sweating under a layer of plastic while trying to insert an artificial airway, get a cannula in a vein, evaluate a cardiac rhythm on a monitor to determine whether to deliver a shock isn’t a walk in the park.

Conveying sympathy to a family, through fogged up goggles, that their loved one couldn’t be saved is even harder. The whole household ended up being Covid-positive and needed hospitalisation. This is now a typical shift for us.

The other night on my way home, while popping into the bottle shop to pick up an essential item, I noticed an irate customer at the checkout not wearing a mask. He was yelling about his rights and calling the teenage worker “Gladys’ puppet”. As I watched him ranting about the vaccine to the perplexed looking teenager behind perspex, I began to ponder.

I wondered if this man was having an asthma attack, would he question the nebuliser I’d administer to open up his airways. If he had an anaphylactic reaction to his bottle of rum, would he call life-saving adrenaline a “fake drug”. If he slipped and broke a leg, would he trust me to put a needle in his vein and give morphine or would he ask for proof that it worked? No, I’m pretty sure if this man was in strife, he would be desperate for my help. He would put faith in the science, the protocols and the training of the practitioner providing the treatment. He would listen to the health advice.

Every person who disobeys health orders pushes the finish line further back. Like everyone out there providing an essential service, I’m sacrificing more than my freedom. The loneliness I feel by keeping totally isolated from loved ones and the risk I put myself at helping us all get back to a normal life is burning me out.

In that moment, I felt like getting into an argument but instead I left. I went home, went to bed and woke up the next day to do it all over again. I’ll keep doing so until we’re out of this. If everyone else does their part by getting vaccinated you’ll ensure paramedics aren’t left in pieces beyond the pandemic. After all, we’re only human too.


The author is a paramedic at an ambulance station in Sydney’s south-west

As paramedics in south-west Sydney we are pushed beyond exhaustion – and into a dystopian world | Anonymous

Staff morale has never been lower and the only thing keeping us afloat is joking about how we’re drowning

www.theguardian.com

 

[pozindustrial]

Digital giant issues strike after channel posted videos denying the existence of disease and encouraging people to use discredited medication

That is complete BS. The medications are not discredited they are used legally and produce great results in a wide range of applications. Doctors are in disbelief that suddenly they are banned from using them for Covid patients. This is political support of vaccines as the only answer, absolutely nothing to do with discrediting. Fauci said hydroxychloriquine was not double blind, placebo control tested and so he could not recommend its use for Covid, but he recommended vaccines which do not have a safe history like Ivermectin and Hydroxy and those vaccines have not passed the double blind, placebo controls or the years of testing trials!!

Here is a blog by a doctor who did her thesis on disease control and the role of vaccinations. She cites false information distributed by WHO and gives an explanation of herd immunity. She too was censored, but not discredited.

 

[Belli]

The use of ivermectin hasn't been entirely dismissed. It is still under research I believe.

Is ivermectin a cure for COVID-19?

Ivermectin is the latest medicine to make media headlines as a treatment for COVID-19. What does the research show so far, and could this medicine really be a cure?

www.nps.org.au

 

[pozindustrial]

Ivermectin use in India and Worldwide

* Ivermectin obliterates 97% of Covid-19 cases in Delhi * India WHO chief put on trial over negative recommendation on ivermectin * Ivermectin for the World (book) * FLCCC Alliance recommends Iverm…

covid.us.org

Ivermectin, India, Craig Kelly’s evidence bomb and covidiots

By TONY MOBILIF0NITISAS Indian states deploy the cheap and effective anti-viral drug Ivermectin and wipe out COVID-19 infections and deaths, public health officers and premiers in Australia are per…

cairnsnews.org

It works. No main media coverage. Efforts to ban it. Projabbers are extreme examples of mushrooms. Kept in the dark and fed BS by the major media and WHO.

 

[rederob]

Here is a blog by a doctor who did her thesis on disease control and the role of vaccinations. She cites false information distributed by WHO and gives an explanation of herd immunity. She too was censored, but not discredited.

Sorry @pozindustrial, your linked "Dr" is totally discredited in the medical science community; you know, the people that actually save lives by advising on and implementing best practice in health care.

 

[sptrawler]

I think this perspective around COVID from a paramedic says it all. And we are nowhere near the potential number of sick people.

As paramedics in south-west Sydney we are pushed beyond exhaustion – and into a dystopian world​

Anonymous

Staff morale has never been lower and the only thing keeping us afloat is joking about how we’re drowning
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‘The loneliness I feel by keeping totally isolated from loved ones and the risk I put myself at helping us all get back to a normal life is burning me out.’ Photograph: Sean Foster/Getty Images
Thu 5 Aug 2021 12.18 AEST
Last modified on Thu 5 Aug 2021 12.19 AEST


It’s been nearly 18 months since I wrote about Covid-19 first hitting our shores and spreading to our suburbs. The transmissibility and virulence of the Delta strain has pushed the ambulance service beyond the brink of exhaustion.

It wasn’t until paramedics and other health staff began contracting Covid at work that we realised how much trouble we were in and by then more than 200 paramedics were deemed close contacts and ordered into two weeks’ isolation. I was one of them. Despite the message from the highest levels of government, this was a race, and we had tripped over the first hurdle.

After two weeks locked in and alone, I was eager to get back to work to chip in and see my friends. My enthusiasm was quickly extinguished when I stepped into the dystopian world that used to be my workplace: hospitals in crisis and nearing capacity. The tension in the air is thick, staff morale has never been lower and, despite words of encouragement from management, the only thing keeping us afloat is joking about how we’re drowning. Most of us are feeling anxious. Typically for paramedics, we find strength and solidarity through collective suffering.
View attachment 128616
Sydney Covid Delta variant outbreak ‘an epidemic of young people’
Read more
As the crisis in Sydney worsened, certain ambulance sectors were left dangerously short-staffed while health management scrambled to catch up. New orders were handed down – full PPE must now be worn for every patient. Full PPE means droplet precautions, mask, gloves, goggles and plastic gown. If anyone finds popping a mask on to order a coffee exasperating, try wrapping yourself in cling-wrap and going to work for 12 hours.

What started as a trickle became a flood of call-outs for Covid-positive patients needing help. It has never been like this. I’ve entered houses where all occupants are Covid positive. Some are sick, some are just scared and apologise for wasting our time. They’re not sure how bad they need to get before they should go to hospital. Some don’t speak English, or have poor health literacy, and fear there’ll be repercussions should they test positive. Fear of testing not only prolongs lockdowns, it can also prove deadly.



I’ve turned up to a house to find every member symptomatic, and none had been tested. We found a patient unconscious and not breathing and commenced CPR. Chest compressions aren’t like the movies, they’re brutal. CPR is also physically demanding, particularly in restrictive PPE. Trying to keep calm while out of breath under a mask, sweating under a layer of plastic while trying to insert an artificial airway, get a cannula in a vein, evaluate a cardiac rhythm on a monitor to determine whether to deliver a shock isn’t a walk in the park.

Conveying sympathy to a family, through fogged up goggles, that their loved one couldn’t be saved is even harder. The whole household ended up being Covid-positive and needed hospitalisation. This is now a typical shift for us.

The other night on my way home, while popping into the bottle shop to pick up an essential item, I noticed an irate customer at the checkout not wearing a mask. He was yelling about his rights and calling the teenage worker “Gladys’ puppet”. As I watched him ranting about the vaccine to the perplexed looking teenager behind perspex, I began to ponder.

I wondered if this man was having an asthma attack, would he question the nebuliser I’d administer to open up his airways. If he had an anaphylactic reaction to his bottle of rum, would he call life-saving adrenaline a “fake drug”. If he slipped and broke a leg, would he trust me to put a needle in his vein and give morphine or would he ask for proof that it worked? No, I’m pretty sure if this man was in strife, he would be desperate for my help. He would put faith in the science, the protocols and the training of the practitioner providing the treatment. He would listen to the health advice.

Every person who disobeys health orders pushes the finish line further back. Like everyone out there providing an essential service, I’m sacrificing more than my freedom. The loneliness I feel by keeping totally isolated from loved ones and the risk I put myself at helping us all get back to a normal life is burning me out.

In that moment, I felt like getting into an argument but instead I left. I went home, went to bed and woke up the next day to do it all over again. I’ll keep doing so until we’re out of this. If everyone else does their part by getting vaccinated you’ll ensure paramedics aren’t left in pieces beyond the pandemic. After all, we’re only human too.


The author is a paramedic at an ambulance station in Sydney’s south-west

As paramedics in south-west Sydney we are pushed beyond exhaustion – and into a dystopian world | Anonymous

Staff morale has never been lower and the only thing keeping us afloat is joking about how we’re drowning

www.theguardian.com

Are all the paramedics vaccinated, the last media article I read on the subject, talked about a lot of paramedics still not fronting up, or only recently applying for the vaccine.
Also Bas, the Gaurdian was criticising Morrison, when in June he said get any vaccine you can, they lambasted him for going against expert opinion, now the expert opinion backs Morrison, I dont hear them appologising.
Im sure Morrison didnt give the advice, without being briefed prior, yet the Gaurdian publicly criticised, without obviously being up to speed with the information.
Thats what I dislike about the media, they can throw mud, with gay abandon, yet they make no effort to clean it up, when they are wrong.
They seem to work on the mantra, as long as it furthers the narrative, it is acceptable.
The media always gets it right in the end, it is just the chaos and collateral damage they cause on the way, that I take exception to.

Tuesday 29 June.

Australia’s top medical body refuses to endorse PM’s announcement that under-40s can get AstraZeneca

Exclusive: AMA says Scott Morrison’s announcement about younger people getting AZ Covid jab goes against advice from vaccine safety body

www.theguardian.com

Friday 23 July.

Morrison has finally embraced ‘informed consent’ for AstraZeneca. What took him so long to take Atagi’s advice? | Paul Karp

Despite government rhetoric, Atagi had always advised that adults wanting to be vaccinated could choose either vaccine

www.theguardian.com

 

[sptrawler]

Then to cap it off the media has the audacity to blame the Government for mixed messages. ?
August 2nd.

AstraZeneca’s Australia boss ‘surprised and disappointed’ with debate over Covid vaccine

Pharmaceutical company’s Australian chief points to mixed messaging as cause of AstraZeneca hesitancy

www.theguardian.com

The media is never wrong, their avid followers are never wrong, because they have no accountability.
There is only one who has accountability apparently, yet those without any accountability for what they write, can hold some to account.
The World has gone mad IMO, they may as well save everyone a huge amount of money and let the media take over everything, just get rid of Governments completely, let the reporters run it.
One thing for sure @basilio , you can see why the Guardian is free and relies on subscription, all media should be the same, they should rely on people paying them for their information. Rather than having to rely on advertisers vested interests, or the tax payer funding to pay for their endless dribble.
Just my opinion, but it may well end up with a more accurate and objective media, which is in everyone's best interest.

 

[sptrawler]

Sorry a bit late, but finally found it, Fri night happy hour with the guys.lol

30 July

Two-thirds of SA ambulance officers aren't fully vaccinated, government reveals

South Australia's Health Minister, Stephen Wade, reveals only 35 per cent of the state's ambulance service staff are fully vaccinated.

www.abc.net.au

Now all I need is @Humid to pop up, to make it a really great night of entertainment.
You have to love ASF, what a great place to catch up with mates.

 

[SirRumpole]

Then to cap it off the media has the audacity to blame the Government for mixed messages. ?
August 2nd.

AstraZeneca’s Australia boss ‘surprised and disappointed’ with debate over Covid vaccine

Pharmaceutical company’s Australian chief points to mixed messaging as cause of AstraZeneca hesitancy

www.theguardian.com

The media is never wrong, their avid followers are never wrong, because they have no accountability.
There is only one who has accountability apparently, yet those without any accountability for what they write, can hold some to account.
The World has gone mad IMO, they may as well save everyone a huge amount of money and let the media take over everything, just get rid of Governments completely, let the reporters run it.
One thing for sure @basilio , you can see why the Guardian is free and relies on subscription, all media should be the same, they should rely on people paying them for their information. Rather than having to rely on advertisers vested interests, or the tax payer funding to pay for their endless dribble.
Just my opinion, but it may well end up with a more accurate and objective media, which is in everyone's best interest.

sp a Guardian fan now, I'd never have believed it !

I agree with your thoughts though, although I doubt if most media could survive without advertisers/taxpayers.

What they need to do more is have all the media outlets fact check each other a la Media Watch. That would certainly be entertaining and would help keep all of them on their toes.