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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Some interesting figures from studies:https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w
Less than one-third of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 fell ill with respiratory symptoms or fever, according to a survey of thousands of people in Italy
Worse,", 31% developed respiratory symptoms — such as a cough — or a fever; only 26% of those under the age of 60 did so. "
So nearly 75% of people below 60 will not even know it, or will be detected by these thermometer guns leaving a plane.
Whatever way you like it, it is mostly benign or to phrase it properly nowhere near as dangerous as we are told/knew in the past
How long before the people in Victoria start rioting and demand freedom of movement.aged care and vulnerable populations can self protect.
Isn't it very similar of our attitude to peanut allergy where we forbid peanuts in school as to the danger of a few.
In a way, it is a fundamental view of our place in society
Freedom and self control/responsabilities vs nanny state or for the leftist around: sharing the cost/damage.
Equality vs equality of chance/opportunity.
That explain in my view the reaction of both governments but also individuals here on this forum and in the community.
And we will reach extreme as backlash is inevitable unless martial laws and even more extreme measures are adopted.we are at a stage where army and police is enforcing own citizens blocus.put that in 1984....
The big RESET or the takeover...
 
And why many more might have been contaminated than estimated now:
There are later confirmations of these but can not find a link
It is critical as all numbers rely on death and hospitalization per infected.if infection has benn more widespread than initially thought, this is a game changer
From nature link above

2 June — Could antibody tests downplay virus’s prevalence?

Antibody studies might underestimate the share of a population that has been infected with SARS-CoV-2.



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The researchers taking a gamble with antibody tests for coronavirus
In response to a pathogen attack, immune cells produce molecules called antibodies, which can linger in the blood and provide a record of infection. Isabel Rodríguez-Barraquer at the University of California, San Francisco, and her colleagues identify a potential source of bias in tests that detect the presence of antibodies against the new coronavirus (S. Takahashi et al. Preprint at OSF Preprints http://doi.org/dxc2; 2020).

Most antibody tests have been validated using blood samples from people hospitalized with severe disease. But these individuals, who make up only a small fraction of infected people, might have higher levels of antibodies circulating in their body than have people with mild or no symptoms.

The researchers say more detailed studies are needed to assess how well antibody tests detect previous infection in people who had mild disease.

The findings have not yet been peer reviewed.
 
Lastly for the medical part, it seems we die not from the virus but from the inflammation caused by our body immune response...
For H1N1, young healthy people were reacting too strongly and dying, with Covid-19,they win quickly but weaker persons do not
 
Why do governments impose fines of $1652 or $4004 instead of $1700 or $4000 ?

Is that including GST ?
 
SirRumpole said:
Why do governments impose fines of $1652 or $4004 instead of $1700 or $4000 ?

Is that including GST ?
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I think they have a particular starting point that is an even figure and then increases are arbitary by some percentage figure. Makes the next figure look silly.

At some stage someone will say "lets round this up"
 
SirRumpole said:
Why do governments impose fines of $1652 or $4004 instead of $1700 or $4000 ?

Is that including GST ?
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Statutory fines and penalties are not subject to GST as there is no supply made in relation to the payments. The odd amounts are often due to penalty indexing.
 
basilio said:
More understanding on how COVID 19 affects people. This is not just the flu.

Coronavirus affects the blood vessels as well as the lungs. Understanding this may be key to treating it
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/...ovid-19-respiratory-vascular-disease/12410684
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Horrifying story on ABC News this morning about a singer in London who thought she was getting over covid, she put the kettle on and then couldn't breathe. She was rushed to hospital and doctors found a giant blood clot on her lung and were surprised that she was still alive.

Fortunately she's now recovered, but as you say it's not just the flu.


If I can find that story I'll post it here.

Here it is.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/ope...id-19-blood-clot-mystery-20200428-p54nts.html
 
qldfrog said:
So nearly 75% of people below 60 will not even know it, or will be detected by these thermometer guns leaving a plane.
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That's exactly the problem.

They will most likely pass it to someone who will be adversely affected, ie get very ill or die.

And it's why people have to be locked down until they can get tested.
 
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SirRumpole said:
That's exactly the problem.

They will most likely pass it to someone who will be adversely affected, ie get very ill or die.

And it's why people have to be locked down until they can get tested.
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how often do you test weekly, daily, hourly? most will never be sick and then if you test them, do you test they had it or they got it?
Can you make the difference? how high is the viral load..left ?
So many surrealistic simplified Fighting a virus for dummies ..
But that's ok, we wait for the fake vaccine
I think our qld gov should announce we found one.would save many lives, I can import saline solution for cheap from china..and still save lives overall..plus placebo effects, I have a winner
 
spooly74 said:
Covid looks like its running out of hosts to kill in Sweden.
Steady decline in deaths with rising infections is what herd immunity should look like.
Here is a comprehensive analysis of the situation in Sweden with the info you're looking for.

https://softwaredevelopmentperestro...-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-corona-sweden/

When the dust settles I'd like to see a Yes/No Referendum on whether Governments should have the power to quarantine healthy people ever again.
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This could also be the result of improvements in care for patients with COVID-19.

Whilst I agree with their approach, we can't jump to conclusions.
 
 
wayneL said:
Innerestin'

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The quote from the lady regarding astronaut suits is about as inane as you will get.

One goes to absolute extreme measure to contain a virus in the lab, like triple sealed doors etc. That is because one is aware of the damage and disruption it could do once escaped, as we have witnessed with COVID-19. It does not mean that once it has escaped (if that is how it originated) that we need to take the same measures to contain and eventually overcome it. Properly implemented use of masks, testing and social distancing clearly works to contain it and there are many countries/states who are proof of that, particularly in our own neck of the world.

Her quote is demonstrably wrong. Why would one regurgitate it?
 
bellenuit said:
The quote from the lady regarding astronaut suits is about as inane as you will get.

One goes to absolute extreme measure to contain a virus in the lab, like triple sealed doors etc. That is because one is aware of the damage and disruption it could do once escaped, as we have witnessed with COVID-19. It does not mean that once it has escaped (if that is how it originated) that we need to take the same measures to contain and eventually overcome it. Properly implemented use of masks, testing and social distancing clearly works to contain it and there are many countries/states who are proof of that, particularly in our own neck of the world.

Her quote is demonstrably wrong. Why would one regurgitate it?
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The point was Montagniers information.

Didn't know how to exclude the other stuff, but I thought that might have been obvious :rolleyes:
 
Klogg said:
This could also be the result of improvements in care for patients with COVID-19.

Whilst I agree with their approach, we can't jump to conclusions.
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Sweden had a large number of deaths associated with Nursing homes initially, and they're not alone in that regard. Well over 100k worldwide have died in nursing homes by my count.
But look at the figure for ICU admissions below for Stockholm, which was hardest hit. That's also on the decline with increased cases.

I'll keep an eye on this but it doesn't bode well for Aus with trigger happy lockdown Govs in control. How the hell are we supposed to open up internationally?
We're relying on a vaccine.
That's our plan :banghead:


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spooly74 said:
Sweden had a large number of deaths associated with Nursing homes initially, and they're not alone in that regard. Well over 100k worldwide have died in nursing homes by my count.
But look at the figure for ICU admissions below for Stockholm, which was hardest hit. That's also on the decline with increased cases.

I'll keep an eye on this but it doesn't bode well for Aus with trigger happy lockdown Govs in control. How the hell are we supposed to open up internationally?
We're relying on a vaccine.
That's our plan :banghead:


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Swedish trends are nothing special; here's Denmark hospitalisations:
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On a per capita basis Sweden had more than five times as many deaths. Denmark closed its borders 12 March from memory and a month later was opening its economy back up.
Here's how case numbers compared at date of lifting lmany lockdown measures:
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I think a lot of what Sweden did has merit. However, given the chance I would have jumped onto the Øresund bridge quick smart and headed west.
 
rederob said:
Swedish trends are nothing special; here's Denmark hospitalisations:
Hospitalisations_over_time.ashx

On a per capita basis Sweden had more than five times as many deaths. Denmark closed its borders 12 March from memory and a month later was opening its economy back up.
Here's how case numbers compared at date of lifting lmany lockdown measures:
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I think a lot of what Sweden did has merit. However, given the chance I would have jumped onto the Øresund bridge quick smart and headed west.
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As I understand it Sweden did "nothing" just basically ignored it all.

I do think that if they had put exhalation masks on everyone and also social distanced where possible, they would have been a western version pf Taiwan etc

I sincerely wished they had done so because it seems that Asian successes using this method are being ignored to the detriment of our lifestyle and financial well being here in Oz

We simply Cannot continue to lockdown, the virus has not gone away and will not go away any time soon, we cannot afford to panic and lock down millions of people every time 100 people get sick.

Reality has a nasty habit if raising it's ugly head in the worst possible way, we are going to bankrupt Oz then say we can do more................

Scomo stands up and says "We have run out of money so we have no option but to put on masks and hope for the best"

Which is exactly what the Asian countries done back in January without blowing billions of borrowed money
 
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