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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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SirRumpole said:
Nobody is saying this out loud, but it looks like Victoria's spike arose at least in part in migrant communities who either can't speak English or who have cultural practices that involve large family gatherings that don't observe social distancing.

Should we be concerned about this, and what should we do about it ?
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People of those communities usually do not get much sun on their skin, Vitamin D deficiency is rife (according to USA research) within such people

Low Vit D (20<) has a 12 times greater of risk of dying than >50 Vit D, 40 is regarded as minimal requirement in Oz.
 
sptrawler said:
Apparently if you live in these 10 postcodes, you have to stay inside, or get fined.
It will be interesting to see how that works out, didn't they ask people not to go to marches a couple of weeks back and that didn't work.
Interesting times.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/coronavir...to-leave-home-strict-new-rules-054516156.html
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No doubt everyone within those postcodes will know the 4 reasons and plan accordingly.

If there have been no deaths then it may be building herd immunity.

Research in Suisse shows that people rarely have antibodies which suggests that 5 times as many people may have already had CV19 than recorded
 
The outcome of this inquiry will be interesting reading.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/coronavir...-with-guests-melbourne-hotspot-022025049.html

Claims of widespread rorting and misconduct have rocked the security firms responsible for patrolling Melbourne's hotel quarantine regime.

Companies charged taxpayers for shifts never worked, leading to less security workers on duty and higher risk of infections, The Herald Sun reports.

The publication also revealed sources have informed them guards slept with guests while personnel had inadequate personal protective equipment and training.
 
sptrawler said:
The outcome of this inquiry will be interesting reading.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/coronavir...-with-guests-melbourne-hotspot-022025049.html

Claims of widespread rorting and misconduct have rocked the security firms responsible for patrolling Melbourne's hotel quarantine regime.

Companies charged taxpayers for shifts never worked, leading to less security workers on duty and higher risk of infections, The Herald Sun reports.

The publication also revealed sources have informed them guards slept with guests while personnel had inadequate personal protective equipment and training.
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People have to end up in gaol over this I reckon, so that the rest of us get the message that stupidity spreads the virus.
 
SirRumpole said:
People have to end up in gaol over this I reckon, so that the rest of us get the message that stupidity spreads the virus.
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Quarantining arrangements have been a real joke in Australia.
They should have landed them all at a secure facility - like they did at Christmas Island - and then flown them back in to Australia once they tested negative. Instead we have spent hundreds of millions in 4/5 star accommodation with shonky security and no regular testing.
We have been luckier in most other States, more likely due to the tyranny of distance.
And a quick by the way: anyone thinking land border crackdowns are worth the effort are in lala land. I have friends and relatives that in total would have crossed the QLD/NSW border many dozens of times in the past few months and have never been tested either way.
Note the PPE worn by police as they receive and return documentation handed to them:
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rederob said:
Quarantining arrangements have been a real joke in Australia.
They should have landed them all at a secure facility - like they did at Christmas Island - and then flown them back in to Australia once they tested negative. Instead we have spent hundreds of millions in 4/5 star accommodation with shonky security and no regular testing.
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I agree. Even now they should be taken to some Army barracks and isolated. Self or hotel isolation is a joke.
 
SirRumpole said:
I agree. Even now they should be taken to some Army barracks and isolated. Self or hotel isolation is a joke.
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The Victorian debacle really needs to be clamped down on hard and fast IMO, if this gets out of control you can kiss a lot of industries and jobs good bye, all this hassle for the last 4 months going up in smoke.
I know with my daughter, she took all her long service leave and holidays at half pay, to make sure she didn't get it. Now she is back at work she has nothing left to take.
At least with W.A McGowan isn't bending on the border.
 
sptrawler said:
Claims of widespread rorting and misconduct have rocked the security firms responsible for patrolling Melbourne's hotel quarantine regime.

Companies charged taxpayers for shifts never worked, leading to less security workers on duty and higher risk of infections, The Herald Sun reports.
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I've no idea which companies were involved but I've had enough experience with contractors doing things for government to say I'm not in the slightest bit surprised.

There are good contractors certainly but there are duds too and if you don't know who the good contractors are and who the duds are then it's a gamble which sooner or later you loose.

The practical approach is put your own people on site to keep a check on what's going on. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
I've no idea which companies were involved but I've had enough experience with contractors doing things for government to say I'm not in the slightest bit surprised.

There are good contractors certainly but there are duds too and if you don't know who the good contractors are and who the duds are then it's a gamble which sooner or later you loose.

The practical approach is put your own people on site to keep a check on what's going on. :2twocents
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The problem is that your "own" people can be corrupt or stupid as well.
 
SirRumpole said:
Some interesting information on treatments.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07...reatment-works-medication-remdesivir/12414604
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SirRumpole said:
Some interesting information on treatments.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07...reatment-works-medication-remdesivir/12414604
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This is what the establishment wants you to think SirRumpole. As ever the ABC is happy to regurgitate it without doing any real journalism. Here attached will point you in the real direction of what is going on:
http://www.francesoir.fr/amp/articl...ble-sur-le-covid-19?__twitter_impression=true
 
Resignedtoit said:
This is what the establishment wants you to think SirRumpole. As ever the ABC is happy to regurgitate it without doing any real journalism. Here attached will point you in the real direction of what is going on:
http://www.francesoir.fr/amp/articl...ble-sur-le-covid-19?__twitter_impression=true
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The ABC is indeed a lesser organisation due to cuts affecting their journalism.
While FranceSoir gets the info on Remdesivir right, it has zero to support to the thrust of its article except for reputational assassinations of 2 world renown subject experts.
Except for Remdesivir the most up to date state of play regarding most clinical trials for the treatment of COV19 patients is found here.
 
This is looking good, instead of a vaccine simply tell everyone to get some sunshine or get a Vit D pill into you every day.

French Govt : The French National Academy of Medicine stresses the importance of vitamin D against COVID-19 and recommends everyone take supplemental vitamin D. For COVID-19 patients over 60, they recommend vitamin D testing, and if deficiency is found, a bolus dose of 50,000 to 100,000 IU

Scottish:

As of June 3, 2020, Scottish government COVID-19 guidance includes taking a daily vitamin D supplement. As reported by the Scotland Herald:11

"Official Scottish Government guidance issued on June 3 states that everyone, including children, 'should consider taking a daily supplement containing 10 micrograms of vitamin D.'

However, it is 'specifically recommended' to all pregnant and breastfeeding women; infants and children under five years old; people from minority ethnic groups with dark skin such as those of African, African-Caribbean and South Asian origin, who require more sun exposure to make as much vitamin D; and people who are confined indoors."

Irish:

Examples of these correlation studies include The Irish Longitudinal Study on Ageing (TILDA),16,17 which suggests vitamin D deficiency could have serious implications for COVID-19. The researchers recommend adults over 50 take a vitamin D supplement year-round if they don't get enough sun exposure to optimize their levels.

Another Irish paper,18 "Vitamin D and Inflammation: Potential Implications for Severity of COVID-19," concluded there is "a strong plausible biological hypothesis and evolving epidemiological data supporting a role for vitamin D in COVID-19."

UK

In the UK, there's the Covidence UK Study,6 an effort to collect data about how vitamin D deficiency impacts your COVID-19 risk. If you live in the U.K., you can sign up for the Covidence UK study here. According to Adrian Martineau, a professor of respiratory infection and immunity at Queen Mary University of London, who is leading the Covidence study:7

"Vitamin D could almost be thought of as a designer drug for helping the body to handle viral respiratory infections. It boosts the ability of cells to kill and resist viruses and simultaneously dampens down harmful inflammation, which is one of the big problems with Covid."

British Health Care Workers Get Free Vitamin D
Aside from the French, Scotland and the U.K. are also starting to take vitamin D optimization more seriously. For example, the British Frontline Immune Support Team is providing U.K. National Health Service workers with free liposomal vitamin C, vitamin D and zinc packs to bolster and regulate their immune function.8 As noted by The Frontline Immune Support Team, vitamin D:9

USA
<<The French recommendations are in stark contrast to the U.S., where Big Pharma-controlled health authorities and media are still trying to frighten people away from vitamin D supplementation. One reason for this could be because a healthier population is less likely to line up for inoculation with a fast-tracked vaccine. >>

The USA comment could be deemed to be political or influenced but in todays world of internet access if Vit D works then it will spread.

Australia needs to tell people get some sunshine or take Vit D and we can beat this thing, no surprise the really bad cases in Victoria are in people who do not get much sun on their skin.
 
macca said:
Research in Suisse shows that people rarely have antibodies which suggests that 5 times as many people may have already had CV19 than recorded
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Same in France infection rate is MUCH higher than initially though, even normal blood test samples do not detect many previously infected persons, death rate is VERY low...
What a scam, probably not worst than the last big bird flu.
Get bloody vitamin D, wear a mask if at risk or on your death bed.
Lately, strain becoming milder as well..or just realising many more infected wo any real issue
So back to my thread about why, and how to profit
 
Vitamin D, and the lockdown closed beaches and winter resorts where Europeans can get sun....
 
Interesting but no surprise to see the way The Herald Sun and The ABC report the same news on the Victorian Governments response to the corona virus outbreak.

Herald Sun
1) Details emerge of the secret plot (?) to use airline staff in quarantine plagued hotel

ABC
1) Flight attendants and baggage handling staff from Qantas and Jetstar have been brought in to work in Melbourne's quarantine hotels, but won't be involved in security work.


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Why Melbourne's public housing towers have 'explosive potential' for coronavirus to spread
Nine Melbourne public housing estates are in their third day of a "hard lockdown", brought about by fears coronavirus has the "explosive potential" to spread within the units.
Victoria's Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said the measures were in place because the environment was "desperately challenging".
That's because of a range of factors, like density, cleanliness and the jobs of many people living inside.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07...ublic-towers-are-a-coronavirus-worry/12423934
 
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