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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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basilio said:
Interesting but no surprise to see the way The Herald Sun and The ABC report the same news on the Victorian Governments response to the corona virus outbreak.

Herald Sun
1) Details emerge of the secret plot (?) to use airline staff in quarantine plagued hotel

ABC
1) Flight attendants and baggage handling staff from Qantas and Jetstar have been brought in to work in Melbourne's quarantine hotels, but won't be involved in security work.


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Why Melbourne's public housing towers have 'explosive potential' for coronavirus to spread
Nine Melbourne public housing estates are in their third day of a "hard lockdown", brought about by fears coronavirus has the "explosive potential" to spread within the units.
Victoria's Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said the measures were in place because the environment was "desperately challenging".
That's because of a range of factors, like density, cleanliness and the jobs of many people living inside.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07...ublic-towers-are-a-coronavirus-worry/12423934
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What's funny about it is that the Herald Sun has not worked out that "lockdowns" worked in Wuhan, in Italy soon after, then followed by many other nations, and just last week a "hard lockdown" commenced in Leicester based on international experience.
 
Good to see you @basilio and Rob, picking up on negative portrayal of events, to reflect badly on politicians. I've been noticing it a bit over the last 3-4 years.:xyxthumbs
They seem to also only posses very condescending or smirking photo's of some politicians, which they use to great effect, to portray them in the worst light.:D
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/aerosol-transmission-of-covid-19/12425852
@Knobby22 that is why i am not as sad as you about the funding cuts to UN and similar organisation.
In a better world, yes great idea, sadly they have mostly become bloated corrupt parasite..the who being a very relevant example.
But we need a collaborative network, on health, conflict resolution etc.
I have personally given up on any hope of internal rebirth of these monsters.
Anyway, another reason you should wear masks in public and enclosed spaces if scared
 
The UN was set up to help the world work together and prevent war. Australia and the USA was a main instigator.

It has been fairly successful but is now under attack from powerful interests as well as nationalists and powerful nation states especially China and the USA.

What is needed is reform not destruction to meet the challenges of the future.

The conspiracy theorists believers worry about world government. The truth is that the UN has never been weaker. This is bad for Australia.
 
qldfrog said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/aerosol-transmission-of-covid-19/12425852
@Knobby22 that is why i am not as sad as you about the funding cuts to UN and similar organisation.
In a better world, yes great idea, sadly they have mostly become bloated corrupt parasite..the who being a very relevant example.
But we need a collaborative network, on health, conflict resolution etc.
I have personally given up on any hope of internal rebirth of these monsters.
Anyway, another reason you should wear masks in public and enclosed spaces if scared
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You post a stream of poorly informed comments.
The WHO admin budget would not run the new Sunshine Coast hospital, yet it has to coordinate medical support and health measures for every country on the planet confronting major concerns.
Not supporting the WHO again shows how disconnected the USA is from the rest of the world nowadays.
 
sptrawler said:
Good to see you @basilio and Rob, picking up on negative portrayal of events, to reflect badly on politicians. I've been noticing it a bit over the last 3-4 years.:xyxthumbs
They seem to also only posses very condescending or smirking photo's of some politicians, which they use to great effect, to portray them in the worst light.:D
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Politicians don't need any amplification of their ongoing ineptitude.
With regard to the specific issue of "lockdowns," they are a proven method to control disease spread, any disease.
Journalists who don't understand the extent that lockdowns have been effective and instead choose a political slight to their commentary are merely propagandists.
The USA today is a classic example of where medical science and politics are at odds. Almost 1% of the US population has now tested positive for COV19 and the rate of spread is actually increasing. Fauci is on the record as realising the USA is "out of control" but Trump insists there is nothing to worry about.
 
This looks like a possible answer for the long term problem, in the event a vaccine isn't found.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...l-for-covid-19-treatment-20200706-p559k4.html
From the article:
On Monday evening the company's Philadelphia, Pennsylvania office confirmed approximately 124 adult patients who have tested positive for coronavirus would take part in a randomised trial where they would receive either CSL's monoclonal antibody CSL312 or a placebo.
CSL312 is also called Garadacimab and is an antibody treatment that inhibits the plasma protein, FXIIa. It is hoped the treatment will be useful in preventing the progression of coronavirus once patients experience respiratory distress and could be another tool for doctors to use in the fight against the virus.

"Whether it is preventative with vaccines, or preventing progression with a hyperimmune, or using our monoclonal antibodies, like CSL312, to help people who are experiencing severe respiratory complications, CSL has taken on projects we think make sense both scientifically and that fit our capabilities."

According to CSL's application for the clinical trial made to US regulators, it is estimated the trial could be completed by December.
 
Self help in the Tower lockdown.

Residents within the towers are also mobilising themselves to help their neighbours where they can, as Melissa Davey reports:

Residents inside the nine public housing towers under lockdown translated an information sheet about the restrictions and public health measures needed to contain Covid-19 into 10 different languages. This information was distributed within the affected buildings via social media and text messaging in just 24 hours.

An infectious disease physician, Dr Chris Lemoh, who works with culturally and linguistically diverse communities at a Melbourne public hospital, said he had been in contact with several people inside the tower blocks in Flemington and North Melbourne which are now being surveilled by police to ensure residents do not leave while they undergo Covid-19 testing after a cluster of cases in the buildings.

“Some residents put together an information sheet and they translated that into 10 written and five oral languages within 24 hours and distributed it among their networks in order to help get government messaging across,” Lemoh said.

“I’ve been involved in public health projects like this and if the government had to do this on their own, it would have taken them at least six months to get that kind of translation work done.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...der-lockdown-covid-19-police?page=with:block-5f03a6f48f08470ce832235b#block-5f03a6f48f08470ce832235b
 
qldfrog said:
Not to give a lesson but
How to look at figures
One take death by coronavirus
Sweden if you like
Total number
Look at overall death total number
Then look at last year total number
Look at the trend..i just did for Sweden : mortality on the rise due to population aging
Out of last 3/4 years draw line and get expected mortality number for 2020
Compare to current number wait for end of year for full year
What were the added extra deaths
Anything else is bull****.
You will get final numbers by end of year. Better at the end of next year you will see the real impact
Now get the same in finland for this year and next and determine the "winner"
Pm me in december 21 and we restart that thread
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Covid looks like its running out of hosts to kill in Sweden.
Steady decline in deaths with rising infections is what herd immunity should look like.
Here is a comprehensive analysis of the situation in Sweden with the info you're looking for.

https://softwaredevelopmentperestro...-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-corona-sweden/

When the dust settles I'd like to see a Yes/No Referendum on whether Governments should have the power to quarantine healthy people ever again.
 
spooly74 said:
Covid looks like its running out of hosts to kill in Sweden.
Steady decline in deaths with rising infections is what herd immunity should look like.
Here is a comprehensive analysis of the situation in Sweden with the info you're looking for.

https://softwaredevelopmentperestro...-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-corona-sweden/

When the dust settles I'd like to see a Yes/No Referendum on whether Governments should have the power to quarantine healthy people ever again.
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I didn't think Sweden was about herd immunity it was about personal responsibility.
 
so let's quarantine everyone.I noted the flu killed thousand last year, let's eradicate it as well...
road accident, let's put the speed limit at 5k/h except for essential services.
, we should see a marked reduction in death, and traumas often associated..
everything is a choice, not more stupid to prevent road transport than
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SirRumpole said:
Healthy today doesn't mean healthy tomorrow.
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IFocus said:
I didn't think Sweden was about herd immunity it was about personal responsibility.
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But will also be an herd immunity experience, especially with the very high percentage of people infected without noticeable symptoms who do not react/ appear with standard tests
 
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