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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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cynic said:
Could this be correlated to an increased number of Victorians being tested for infection with the virus?
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I would think so, lucky the media hasn't gone feral with it and ScoMo isn't involved.:xyxthumbs
So the media coverage, should remain balanced and sensible, which is good for everyone IMO.
 
qldfrog said:
everything is a choice
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Except being exposed to a virus isn't really a choice at all given that those with it seem unable to contain it to themselves.

Therein lies the problem - this isn't a situation where anyone has a choice, in practice the community gets a choice collectively but not individually.

As for road accidents, well an outright fortune has been spent on better roads, law enforcement, better cars and so on. Someone driving at 160 km/h up the highway in 1980 was at an order of magnitude greater risk than someone driving the same road at 110 km/h in a modern car today and the statistics clearly show that car travel, whilst still not perfect, has greatly improved in safety over the past 40 or so years. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
Except being exposed to a virus isn't really a choice at all given that those with it seem unable to contain it to themselves.

Therein lies the problem - this isn't a situation where anyone has a choice, in practice the community gets a choice collectively but not individually.

As for road accidents, well an outright fortune has been spent on better roads, law enforcement, better cars and so on. Someone driving at 160 km/h up the highway in 1980 was at an order of magnitude greater risk than someone driving the same road at 110 km/h in a modern car today and the statistics clearly show that car travel, whilst still not perfect, has greatly improved in safety over the past 40 or so years. :2twocents
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It would be order of magnitude safer if speed was limited to 5k an hour or traffic forbidden.why not?
Nothing prevent individuals from wearing mask or the people at real risk..above 65 to self isolate if they wish
Tuberculosis killing more and countries were not locked last year
Our while response , if not looking at conspiracy or pretext only, was built on improving knowledge initially smooth the curve which they overall did in Europe and then crazily here local eradication in the hope of a vaccine.we will end up with wasted lockdown no real vaccine and at best a few thousands deaths delayed by a year or 2 with millions suffering and ten of thousands suicides in the coming decades
That is the critical point when Australia decisively went the Argentina way.
interesting to see if Spanish flu had a role in latin America collapses in the 20st century.will look
 
Overview of how the Trump administartion is dealing with the crisis.


Fauci says he hasn’t briefed Trump in two months as Covid-19 cases rise

President said public health expert ‘made a lot of mistakes’ while nearly 3.2 million have contracted the coronavirus

Donald Trump says Dr Anthony Fauci is “a nice man, but he’s made a lot of mistakes”. Fauci says he last saw Trump on 2 June and has not briefed him in two months.

The president was speaking to the Fox News host Sean Hannity. The most senior non-political member of the White House coronavirus taskforce and America’s top public health expert was having lunch with the Financial Times.

Meanwhile, nearly 3.2 million coronavirus cases have been recorded in the US and almost 133,000 people have died. More than 60,000 new cases were confirmed on Thursday, the latest in a succession of unwelcome records.

States which reopened early, Arizona, Texas and Florida prominent among them, are facing steep rises in cases and crushing pressure on testing and hospital beds. Early hotspots, such as California, New York and New Jersey, are pausing or modifying reopening, or considering re-entering lockdown.

“I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say we have a serious ongoing problem, right now, as we speak,” Fauci said. “What worries me is the slope of the curve. It still looks like it’s exponential.”

He continued: “I think we have to realise that some states jumped ahead of themselves. Other states did it correctly. But the citizenry didn’t listen to the guidelines and they decided they were going to stay in bars and go to congregations of crowds and celebrations.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/10/trump-fauci-covid-19-coronavirus-cases
 
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from their article
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/aust...-outbreaks/ar-BB16AnIv?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds
 
basilio said:
Overview of how the Trump administartion is dealing with the crisis.


Fauci says he hasn’t briefed Trump in two months as Covid-19 cases rise

President said public health expert ‘made a lot of mistakes’ while nearly 3.2 million have contracted the coronavirus

Donald Trump says Dr Anthony Fauci is “a nice man, but he’s made a lot of mistakes”. Fauci says he last saw Trump on 2 June and has not briefed him in two months.

The president was speaking to the Fox News host Sean Hannity. The most senior non-political member of the White House coronavirus taskforce and America’s top public health expert was having lunch with the Financial Times.

Meanwhile, nearly 3.2 million coronavirus cases have been recorded in the US and almost 133,000 people have died. More than 60,000 new cases were confirmed on Thursday, the latest in a succession of unwelcome records.

States which reopened early, Arizona, Texas and Florida prominent among them, are facing steep rises in cases and crushing pressure on testing and hospital beds. Early hotspots, such as California, New York and New Jersey, are pausing or modifying reopening, or considering re-entering lockdown.

“I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say we have a serious ongoing problem, right now, as we speak,” Fauci said. “What worries me is the slope of the curve. It still looks like it’s exponential.”

He continued: “I think we have to realise that some states jumped ahead of themselves. Other states did it correctly. But the citizenry didn’t listen to the guidelines and they decided they were going to stay in bars and go to congregations of crowds and celebrations.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/10/trump-fauci-covid-19-coronavirus-cases
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Victoria isnt showing a great deal of leadership skills either.:xyxthumbs
 
basilio said:
You think there is any comparison ?
Seriously ?
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I would say a stuff up is a stuff up, you cant blame one for stuffing up and not the other.
Everyone had no problem blaming Morrison for the Ruby Princess, then payjng out on The NSW Government and calling for an investigation.
As usual the media has very selective outrage.:D
 
moXJO said:
Yes, they are leftist state's that plagued the rest of the country.
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WA.......left of the leftest Victoria ?

Its the right wing freedoms don't make me wear a mask are the problem :roflmao::roflmao:

TBH I think NSW has consistently messed up "Ruby Princess anyone?
 
IFocus said:
WA.......left of the leftest Victoria ?

Its the right wing freedoms don't make me wear a mask are the problem :roflmao::roflmao:

TBH I think NSW has consistently messed up "Ruby Princess anyone?
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We all know money talks in WA.

NSW was at an early stage in our knowledge.
Vic at a time after lockdown and they still progressively didn't give a fig.

Yep, germy I say:D
 
cynic said:
Could this be correlated to an increased number of Victorians being tested for infection with the virus?
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The actual answer is no for most States.
The more relevant statistic is the "positivity rate."
Once the positivity rate increases it is essential to increase the testing regime.
Testing is continuing to be carried out in all States, even when no local transmissions have occurred week after week.
 
Knobby22 said:
Makes sense, an anti inflammatory. Probably should not take it though till you get symptoms as might reduce immune response.
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Yes to be honest i was probably click baiting a bit, covid19 remains a serious illness as is H1N1 or real flu.
But i remember one of the early advice was not to use aspirin if i remember well.we learnt a lot since.
It is sad WHO is so useless as effective cooperation would help but when it takes the supposedly expert organisation months to actually recommend the use of masks, and local government protect their back by saying, we follow WHO....
Anyway another good news
 
Who are slow acting as they are scared of upsetting governments and making a mistake. Basically weak leadership.

That said, I see some Australian scientists are arguing that the evidence shows that Covid does spread by large droplets and surfaces and no rf aerosol.

What is WHO now? It needs to be able to direct research and fund experiments. It should be coordinating responses. In reality it has no authority, no funding and lack of expertise. A shadow of what it should be.
 
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