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Copper

BHP is doubling down on Copper.

BHP has forecast copper demand to grow by 70 per cent from 2021 to 2050 and shown its appetite for the red metal in July by agreeing to pay $US2.1bn to grow its copper footprint through projects near the Chile-Argentina border, and with the $9.6bn acquisition of OZ Minerals in 2023.

 
Lobo got the past two years right with his conviction calls of uranium in 2023 and gold in 2024. Can he score a hatrick with copper in 2025?

He has a big qualifier in there on global economy, which is an easy out of he's wrong. Lots of ifs.

Copper specific starts at 24:35.

 
Thanks @Sean K . that was very interesting particularly about the possibility of a further drop before a bull market in copper.

gg
 
Any hedge fund managers here care to explain where to now for copper stocks? I hold SFR and AIS in the copper play pen, lock in them profits and offer loans, sounds like a good tactic.
well i manage a fund , for a single eccentric customer ( me )

but using SOL as a guide , when SOL buys a big piece of a company , it normally signals a slow grind to eventual success , in fact of the holdings i have where SOL is a significant holder , SOL's entry onto the register is often a signal for an 'average down ' strategy

SFR ? i could never crunch the numbers attractively for them

i suspect copper plays ( where copper is the dominant income source ) will continue to struggle on rising costs

regarding copper plays , don't neglect EVN ( they invest in other juniors ) they could easily flip into a ( mostly ) copper play , with a good JV find or acquisition

and despite the stumbles and delays .. the elephant in the ( copper ) room is BHP ( especially after they evicted me from Oz Minerals )

i hold AIS , EVN , and BHP
 
@Captain_Chaza is right onto this. China announces it's intention to boost its economy by implementing "more proactive fiscal policies and moderately "loose" monetary policies."

Chinese stocks on the US market are all going to gap up on open. Copper has perked up too.
 
Good morning
Published AFR electronic 12/12/24:

Citi initiated coverage on metal producer Capstone Copper with a “buy” rating and a $C12.30 per share target price which the broker converted to $13.60. “We see positive earnings momentum on execution of growth projects and upward revisions to copper prices”, said Kate McCutcheon, an analyst at Citi.

The broker predicts copper prices to rise to $US10k/t vs the street price of $US9.2k/t.

Ms McCutcheon noted that compared to ASX peers, Capstone’s growth pipeline plans of 400kt per year is “a standout”. Delivery on guidance under the incoming chief executive will be key to incremental inflows, she said.

Citi is bullish on copper prices in the medium-term because of the global decarbonisation plan.

## Posted also within CSC thread

Have a good day, today.

Kind regards
rcw1

Kind regards
rcw1
 
Copper price now near US$4/oz. Any lower ($3.9/oz) and I'll load the van. Much lower ($3.8/oz) and I load a truck.
And even lower and you have to sell the house?
Remember that oil price went negative...
Not exactly supply and demand or is it?
There is no limit to irrationality
Note: being old school i actually bought 29,ffm and wire but have no illusion i could see severe losses here
 
I've picked up a little bit of 29M for a probable fairly long hold.
I'm relaxed knowing that lots of trucks would load up below $4
 
The trucks are loading copper, not wannabe copper miners.

If copper gets to $3.6/oz I'm going to borrow @Sean K's semi and put the filly loaded van in the front trailer, the fully loaded truck in the 2nd trailer and fill any left over space with more copper. Only then will I place a call to the Chinese premier.
 
Do you have a physical copper ETF @peter2? here or US ?
WIRE is as good as i use for generic copper
 
I see that Sprott has started a physical copper "trust" listed in Canada (TSX, NEO) with an OTC listing as well.
These are pretty new with low daily volume. I won't use them.

If POC goes below $3.8/oz I'll buy a futures contract or two. There's a mini contract as well.

On the ASX, WIRE looks to have a good spread of global copper miners. I'm concerned that, like gold in 24, copper miners may lag the POC when POC rallies.

All jokes aside my current copper position size is ~5% capital and even after loading the van, truck and semi I'll limit it to <10% investment capital.
 
Agree re BHP. It’s as good an exposure for me to Cu and Fe as any other.

I can’t remember whether they both exactly run in tandem.

gg
 
Interesting article in today's afr about Ivanhoe mining (Canada and US listed but i could only buy Canada) and congo mine/potentially take over target for bhp/rio
 
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