Colorado, gun control and the 2nd Amendment

[qldfrog]

The suspects have been identified by police as US born Syed Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27.
obviously an issue of gun control like in Paris and Charlie hebdo.
Wake up Wake up Jeff (loosely based on the wiggles)

 

[dutchie]

" There is now a mass shooting every single day in America.

It’s become a sickening part of routine life in the world’s great superpower.

I’ve run out of vitriolic adjectives to describe them, and they would be superfluous anyway because the statistics alone tell the horrific story.

These two in particular are all you need to really know:

1) 100,000 people are hit by gunfire in the United States every year, of whom 32,000 die.

2) More people, over 400,000, have been killed by guns since 2001 alone than America lost in the whole of World War 2.

This is more than all the other 20 richest industrialised countries in the world, combined."



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...royed-lives-San-Bernardino.html#ixzz3tI9NBb6d

 

[Tisme]

The suspects have been identified by police as US born Syed Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27.
obviously an issue of gun control like in Paris and Charlie hebdo.
Wake up Wake up Jeff (loosely based on the wiggles)

This exercise just goes to show how powerful the allure of an Islamic religious state is, if it can neutralise the carefully crafted Nationalistic brain washing each and every citizen of the USA is suckled on from cradle to the grave.

I'm guessing a few decades of ineffectual wars have put doubt of the might and right of the US and west and emboldened the meek.

 

[qldfrog]

" There is now a mass shooting every single day in America.
xxx

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...royed-lives-San-Bernardino.html#ixzz3tI9NBb6d

fully agree but the St bernardino massacre is not our usual crazy looner , it is an act of terrorism, done in a team and as French attacks and Europe has shown, stricter gun control would not have helped much in that specific case
I am only focusing on the latest massacre, overall, I believe citizen should have the right to have a gun when justified: you should see the amount of hassle and the cost to have a 22 rifle in Aus so that i can manage my small farm properly.
This should NOT in any way include any "right" to purchase automatic guns M16 etc as per US where there is a sickening fascination with guns..
but Australia has reached a point where you need a license to buy a bb gun, yet the crims have no issue to get weapons and any 17y old can drive a 2t metal bullet on the same road as I while drugged truckies slaughters people daily on the same roads.
Balance, balance and common sense are missing in these debates often from both sides

 

[CanOz]

but Australia has reached a point where you need a license to buy a bb gun, yet the crims have no issue to get weapons and any 17y old can drive a 2t metal bullet on the same road as I while drugged truckies slaughters people daily on the same roads.
Balance, balance and common sense are missing in these debates often from both sides

C'mon Froggy, isn't that a long bow to be drawing in comparing gun control with road safety

 

[Tisme]

C'mon Froggy, isn't that a long bow to be drawing in comparing gun control with road safety

He does have a point though. The use of licences to ply your trade, have a drink in the park, etc is no guarantee, and as it turns out, no hindrance to getting a gun and killing people, especially if the power of their lord compels them.

 

[CanOz]

He does have a point though. The use of licences to ply your trade, have a drink in the park, etc is no guarantee, and as it turns out, no hindrance to getting a gun and killing people, especially if the power of their lord compels them.

Getting a gun capable of killing mass quantities of people in Australia is not as easy as the US, period. Gun laws are working in Australia. Gun laws won't work in the US where there are already too many guns to keep track of.

 

[Tisme]

Getting a gun capable of killing mass quantities of people in Australia is not as easy as the US, period. Gun laws are working in Australia. Gun laws won't work in the US where there are already too many guns to keep track of.

I have a gut feeling we will find out sooner than later if your theory holds. I wouldn't know where to start, but somehow these followers of the "peaceful" religion have no problem getting a gun light enough for a child to use, but lethal enough to kill people. And it's not like these shooters run away here, they stay on the scene trying to pop off anyone that ventures by.

 

[CanOz]

I have a gut feeling we will find out sooner than later if your theory holds. I wouldn't know where to start, but somehow these followers of the "peaceful" religion have no problem getting a gun light enough for a child to use, but lethal enough to kill people. And it's not like these shooters run away here, they stay on the scene trying to pop off anyone that ventures by.

Yeah sure, but my point is that arming the nation as the pro gun lobby spouts, is not the answer in Australia. Good solid intelligence, which means we need to give up some privacy....I'm fine with that, i have nothing to hide. If it means my family will be safer because of it, roll on spys. Keep the guns registered and for useful purposes like hunting or policing.

 

[SirRumpole]

I think it's too late for the USA.

There are too many guns in the community and not enough will to do anything about it.

Obama wants to do a John Howard, but the Second Amendment is the killer (pardon the expression).

Unless Clinton or someone else campaigns on the policy of gun control and wins, then the US will just have to reap what it sows.

 

[CanOz]

I think it's too late for the USA.

There are too many guns in the community and not enough will to do anything about it.

Obama wants to do a John Howard, but the Second Amendment is the killer (pardon the expression).

Unless Clinton or someone else campaigns on the policy of gun control and wins, then the US will just have to reap what it sows.

Totally agree.....

 

[Wysiwyg]

The American people seem accepting or at least expectant this activity will continue into the future.

Idiot saying of the century, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun". The good guys with a gun are not and will not stop the bad guys with a gun because the bad guys always shoot first. Make the weaponry available to the bad guys and USA will forever live out these horror scenes.

 

[luutzu]

" There is now a mass shooting every single day in America.

It’s become a sickening part of routine life in the world’s great superpower.

I’ve run out of vitriolic adjectives to describe them, and they would be superfluous anyway because the statistics alone tell the horrific story.

These two in particular are all you need to really know:

1) 100,000 people are hit by gunfire in the United States every year, of whom 32,000 die.

2) More people, over 400,000, have been killed by guns since 2001 alone than America lost in the whole of World War 2.

This is more than all the other 20 richest industrialised countries in the world, combined."



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...royed-lives-San-Bernardino.html#ixzz3tI9NBb6d

Another example of politicians putting business and self interests ahead of people, their safety and their demands.

Heard from interviews way back that the majority of Americans do want stricter gun control; not many of them are devotee to this sacred 2nd Amendment of theirs. That's what all sane people would want.

But whether the majority or the minority want gun control or not, as a gov't who is supposedly all about security and safety (hence the militarised police forces) and protecting people... 32,000 preventable death a year is a sign something out to be done. That 32,000 death is higher than death on Vietnam's road each year - and their roads and traffic are insane.

 

[qldfrog]

Yeah sure, but my point is that arming the nation as the pro gun lobby spouts, is not the answer in Australia. Good solid intelligence, which means we need to give up some privacy....I'm fine with that, i have nothing to hide. If it means my family will be safer because of it, roll on spys. Keep the guns registered and for useful purposes like hunting or policing.

sure but an air rifle or bb gun?
Any steak knife is far more dangerous. In any case I am not for a US style crazy situation but after the killing by this 15y old, the media were talking about further gun laws, as if this or the Martin square fanatic have had any issue finding illegal weapons for their acts
Yet I have to fill 5 pages of paperwork every licence renewal and justify that I indeed prefer to kill a steer with a bullet in the head than running after it trying to cut his throat with a kitchen knife.
At the same time, local councils spend thousands managing wild pigs 30km from brisbane GPO while wild dogs slaughters the local pet dogs in the outer suburbs of our capital cities.
So my request for common sense in term of size, capacity.
Do you know that the people using the ceremonial canons in historic reproductions have to actually get a special weapon licence category as do people wishing to have an air riffle
this includes a mandatory day at the local shooting range for theorical and practical exams and guess what an always increasing license fee and a visit to the police station.Maybe just maybe our cops might want to be a bit more useful than being tax collectors
Nothing more here, no defence of the US system, just another example where from a good concept, red tape forgot common sense and is becoming a self generating /interested machine; relatively typical in Australia of Health and Safety issues
Rant over, have a nice evening

 

[Wysiwyg]

Society has deteriorated when part of workplace health and safety is the employees having to do active shooter training.

 

[qldfrog]

Society has deteriorated when part of workplace health and safety is the employees having to do active shooter training.

indeed!

 

[qldfrog]

as for the US, probably too late with the number of guns there,
Sadly, if living in the US, I would then feel a duty toward my own family to get a gun too, if only for the number of crazies having one in their pocket when you do your shopping/drive your car.
Anyone having lived there and ready to share their experience as to this decision process: when living in a place where guns are everywhere, what do you do?

 

[prawn_86]

I was actually in Santa Barbara over the weekend when this happened. Very sad, but it is amazing how it is so common place here (in the US) that life just goes on and it barely even gets a mention from people not immediately affected

It is that exact adage that the NRA and pro-gun lobby over here in 'Merica use. Why should you regulate guns when it's people that kill, not the guns...

It's amazing how many supposedly sensible people here think that more guns make them safer. In fact on the local news today i saw that regular police officers in certain suburbs are now allowed to carry AR-15's as that will make the suburb 'safer'. How the hell is an AR-15 going to make an area safer than a normal hand-gun??

Anyone having lived there and ready to share their experience as to this decision process: when living in a place where guns are everywhere, what do you do?

There is no point also owning a gun. When is the last time you saw one of these stopped by a civilian? It just doesn't happen.

If i had a gun and a shooting started i would 1. run for cover. 2. not trust myself to aim properly with the adrenaline even if i did have time 3. worry about shooting innocent people 4. worry about the police/responders thinking i was the shooter and taking me out also

The argument that more guns means that the shooters are taken out quicker just isnt the case. Especially if its a shooter with a high powered automatic vs someone with a revolver. Either way, civilians never get involved even if they are carrying

Living here you just kind of ignore it and Americans pretends it isnt a problem

 

[DB008]

The math of mass shootings​

The death tolls change, the places change: Nine in a church, 23 in a restaurant, 26 in an elementary school, now 14 at a holiday party. The faces in the memorial photos change the most.

But the weapons are the common denominator.

Mass killings in the United States are most often carried out with guns, usually handguns, most of them obtained legally.

There is no universally accepted definition of a mass shooting, and different organizations use different criteria. In this piece we look at the deadliest cases, beginning Aug. 1, 1966, when ex-Marine sniper Charles Whitman killed his wife and mother, then climbed a 27-story tower at the University of Texas and killed 14 more people before police shot him to death. The numbers here refer to 121 events in which four or more people were killed by a lone shooter (or two shooters in three cases). An average of seven people died during each event, often including the shooters.

This data ”” compiled from Mother Jones; Grant Duwe, author of “Mass Murder in the United States: A History,” and Washington Post research ”” does not include gang killings, shootings that began as other crimes such as robberies, and killings that involved only the shooter’s family.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/mass-shootings-in-america/​

 

[SirRumpole]

Truly disgusting...

http://www.smh.com.au/world/nevada-...tmas-card-featuring-guns-20151205-glgcni.html